cheers guys, i've got a mates who has 2 mobiles, (one for his business and one personal) who's upgrading both next week, i've managed to convice him to upgrade both to BBs and i'll run his mailserver on my server to he can make use of my BES!!
in return he'll let me have one of the handsets!!
I think I'll get the 8110 or the 9000 (if he can get the 9000 as a free upgrade!)