If you have more than 11 mos since your last phone upgrade then you should be able to get the same deal as a new customer. Ask to be put through to retentions and talk to them about the Cingular deal. You might be able to knock another few $$ off the price. I usually let them know that I don't want to switch but will if necessary. I was able to get my 8700 for $200 flat - no rebates, etc which was as good as anyone was offering at the time back in Feb.