Ok, People. 1. The Nokia 6086 is avaible at the retail locations, As well as the Samsung t409. As far as the difference Well the sound quaility, the Nokia although sd support and quad band has consumers saying it sounds "Tinny". The samsung has a Megpixal camera and a much better screen. When ever new phones are out they run out of stock. Sometimes inital orders estimates are not enough, even with lower end phones like the t219. And yes all phone models have life cycles like the pearl 1. And yes they get replaced like the pearl 2 and curve for Tmo. The 8800, may have less life spand in the retail locations because of its lack of more Consumer friendly applications like the Camera and @home services, the 8800 in all likelyhood will still be available for that target market Corp and Buisness consumers who order them from the net or their buisness account rep.