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Default Error - 12-16-2007, 05:15 PM

When i start the program i receive the message "javax.microedition.file.FileConnection" Error.

I dont know how to solve the problem. Any ideas ?

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Default 12-16-2007, 05:16 PM

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for everybody who might need an OTA:
OTA tested and working, thanks!

Anyone who used my JAD files to install, first quit MiniMoni and uninstall the app, then visit the official OTA site and reinstall. Attempting to upgrade from my JAD to Axel's official JAD will result in a module conflict error, do *not* proceed.
   
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Default 12-16-2007, 05:18 PM

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When i start the program i receive the message "javax.microedition.file.FileConnection" Error.

I dont know how to solve the problem. Any ideas ?
You must have OS 4.2 or higher on your device, OS 4.1 and earlier do not provide this Java API for accessing the SD cards.
   
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Default 12-16-2007, 05:18 PM

Hmm, never seen that before. I know it happens if you try to access the SD card. But on starting??

Will have to check in emulator.

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When i start the program i receive the message "javax.microedition.file.FileConnection" Error.

I dont know how to solve the problem. Any ideas ?

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Default 12-16-2007, 05:21 PM

That might have be the reason for my problem with OTA installation as I have installed all the time with the DM before. I get a similar message that there is confilct. Does that lead to the situation I had, that all application data had to be removed?

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OTA tested and working, thanks!

Anyone who used my JAD files to install, first quit MiniMoni and uninstall the app, then visit the official OTA site and reinstall. Attempting to upgrade from my JAD to Axel's official JAD will result in a module conflict error, do *not* proceed.
   
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Default 12-16-2007, 05:21 PM

Thanks for pointing that out.

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You must have OS 4.2 or higher on your device, OS 4.1 and earlier do not provide this Java API for accessing the SD cards.
   
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Default 12-16-2007, 05:41 PM

I think I may have found a bug....

On your website your screenshots appear to be using a 240x260 screen BB (81xx)

I have this loaded on my 8320 and get the following screen:



There is a small down arrow in the lower right corner indicating more info if you scroll down (not shown on screen shot for some reason) but I can't scroll down and see the information.

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Default 12-16-2007, 05:45 PM

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That might have be the reason for my problem with OTA installation as I have installed all the time with the DM before. I get a similar message that there is confilct. Does that lead to the situation I had, that all application data had to be removed?
Probably - which storage method are you using, the MIDP Store or the persistence model? In the MIDP Store the data records are tied to the app signature (based on name/module I guess?) so during an upgrade of conflicting modules the data will be lost/orphaned. An upgrade without conflicts will keep/maintain the MIDP data intact. Uninstalling the app first (as in this case) removes the MIDP Store record(s) upon uninstall cleanly.

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/develop...rsistently.jsp

The bad part of persistence model is that uninstalling an app does not remove the data; in some cases that's good (i.e. you're reinstalling and want to maintain the configs) but in others it's highly undesirable (you uninstall the app and are done with it, but now you have orphaned persistence data left on the device). Also persistent data seems to be lost during a device OS upgrade, whereas with the MIDP method the data is maintained. (I have two apps that use persistence and I lose their data on every OS upgrade, booo.)
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:34 AM

I have to admit that I turned off WiFi all afternoon and evening just to see what my data usage is. I've used almost 1Mb since installing this afternoon. I've had JiveTalk running and now know it uses 1.3kb every 2 minutes just when idle and not chatting. Lots of little uses for this app.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:46 AM

You are right. The shoots are taken on a 8100. Normally in the program I check if the high is sufficient to display all information and skip then one that does not fit. In your case the battery status. I put a last empty field to fill the screen until the end, though. So this one seems to be seen only by half. That's why there is the arrow showing to scroll. But as all this fields are not focusable the scrolling doesn't work. For me it is an inconsistency in the RIM UI API... I'll have a look so may be I skip this last fill element or resize it to different high so that it fits on the screen.

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I think I may have found a bug....

On your website your screenshots appear to be using a 240x260 screen BB (81xx)

I have this loaded on my 8320 and get the following screen:

http://webpages.charter.net/john.clark/MiniMoni8320.JPG

There is a small down arrow in the lower right corner indicating more info if you scroll down (not shown on screen shot for some reason) but I can't scroll down and see the information.

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Default 12-17-2007, 03:53 AM

John,

the traffic of JiveTalf was one of the small triggers that pushed me for that program ...

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I have to admit that I turned off WiFi all afternoon and evening just to see what my data usage is. I've used almost 1Mb since installing this afternoon. I've had JiveTalk running and now know it uses 1.3kb every 2 minutes just when idle and not chatting. Lots of little uses for this app.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 04:42 AM

AxelE can you enlighten me on how to understand MiniMoni data measurement ? on preference i select shown in kB so its mean kiloByte ?
now i have using it for 6 hours, and data show 4720 k so it's mean that i'm using 4.7 mb of data ?
fyi i'm using 100 mb blackberry data and never over that limit, but judging from your MiniMoni i'm about to break that limit in 20 days for sure, or am I miss something here ?

so on preference, monthly limit i have to put is 100000000 right ?
btw it's a good program but i'm confuse about the number of data :D
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 05:02 AM

The interpretation made by you is right. If there are pure numbers it does mean bytes. If a "k" is at the end it does mean kiloBytes. Haven't had a tester on a 8300 yet, I suppose. But I see no reason why it should be wrong. What kind of network you are using? EDGE? GPRS? As you are using 8300, I suppose no WLAN. And what did you do during this 6 hours with your device? Which applications were running. Just in order to estimate if these figures could be real...

Just another question: Which field shows you 4720 k. The fields above ore below the graph? Above the graph are the daily and monthly total. Below the graph are the counter of the device which have been started by the last reboot. They are not relevant for the limit ...

Yes, that's what you need to put for preferences. To be more precise it should be 100 MB * 1024 * 1024 of course... But putting the limit a little lower is more secure, as the program can not take into account the rounding done by the provider.

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AxelE can you enlighten me on how to understand MiniMoni data measurement ? on preference i select shown in kB so its mean kiloByte ?
now i have using it for 6 hours, and data show 4720 k so it's mean that i'm using 4.7 mb of data ?
fyi i'm using 100 mb blackberry data and never over that limit, but judging from your MiniMoni i'm about to break that limit in 20 days for sure, or am I miss something here ?

so on preference, monthly limit i have to put is 100000000 right ?
btw it's a good program but i'm confuse about the number of data :D
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 05:12 AM

using email, yahoo msgr 2.0 (conference) , bb msgr, and bit of browsing using bb default browser, i guess nothing different from what i usually do everyday.


maybe i should stop using yahoo msgr 2.0 :D you pointed out that jivetalk using a little of data right ;)

the number is above the graphic taken from Today counter.

oh by the way i'm using EDGE network, is it make a difference to GPRS ?

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Default 12-17-2007, 05:59 AM

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Just another question: Which field shows you 4720 k. The fields above ore below the graph? Above the graph are the daily and monthly total. Below the graph are the counter of the device which have been started by the last reboot. They are not relevant for the limit ...


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Axel, love the program so far but confused about this statement. You say ignore the figure below the graph for the limit, I understand what you are saying but correct me if i am wrong, what is under the graph gets added into the totals above the graph every minute, correct. If so, the only way the numbers below the graph could be bigger than those above is if it rolls into a new day without a reset, the daily figure is reset, but not the figures since reboot. Do I understand this correctly? Also, as previously mentioned, the display is not quite correct on my 8800 and I don't see the network and battery lines, and the lines below the graph are also a little broken up due to the size of display compared to the 81xx series. Great start though, thanks.

P.S. I just noticed something weird, been using for a couple hours now and the totals above the graph both read 108k, but below the graph they read In 303k and Out 78k, since this i all the same day as being installed, shouldn't the total at the top of the graphs be the sum of the two below the graphs?

P.S.S. Axel, been playing with this a while and really like it. A couple of suggestions/feature requests are:

1) I know people have asked for the ability to set the monthly reset date based on their billing cycle. I think just a full "data reset" option along with the ability to disable the default reset would be nice too. It would do two things, should someone want to reset the data mid-day or month for some reason, they would have that option and until you figure out how to do the "reset date", users could set a recurring alarm for the date of their billing cycle and do the rest themselves. This could also be handy if someone like me has an unlimited plan at home, but do a lot of traveling and therefore roaming, so I could reset it as I am leaving just so I don't get any huge data roaming surprises when I return home

2) Since you have the option to never terminate, another nice feature would be the ability to launch automatically with a reset. I know this is possible, Pocketday has this option, and then the data graphing etc would commence automatically with a rest.

Just some thoughts, but as a far as this being a "welcome to the world" programming effort, WELL DONE so far.


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Default 12-17-2007, 06:20 AM

Nice app. BTW I cant help noticing there is an expiration date 06-30-2008. I guess good stuff never comes free.


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Nice apps.BTW I cant help noticing there is an expiration date 06-30-2008. I guess good stuff never comes free.
While I noticed this too, and everyone including me likes free apps., as far as an app. that one pays for, this would be one that I would have no issue paying a reasonable price for if you think about how much money it could save you with roaming and/or if you have a limited data plan.


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Default 12-17-2007, 07:08 AM

The difference would be that is with EDGE you got more volume in the same time

Nevertheless - It really seems a little to much.

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using email, yahoo msgr 2.0 (conference) , bb msgr, and bit of browsing using bb default browser, i guess nothing different from what i usually do everyday.


maybe i should stop using yahoo msgr 2.0 :D you pointed out that jivetalk using a little of data right ;)

the number is above the graphic taken from Today counter.

oh by the way i'm using EDGE network, is it make a difference to GPRS ?
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 07:30 AM

Let my try to give a short explanation:

The figures above the graph are the summarized figures for day and month. They are maintained every minute based on the differences of figures below the graph during the last minute. And yes: The ones above the graph are reseted at midnight or at month change.

The figures below might be confusing and may be I skip them for the future. The represent the counter in the API which are reset to 0 on reboot. It doesn't matter, because I always take into account the difference of the current value - the value one minute ago.

On closing the program I store the figures above the graph and the current counter values as well as time stamp, when the program was closed. So if you start it later again it takes into account all the traffic in between, if there was not a day switch in between, which causes the daily counter to reset. Or if there was a reboot what ends up in a discontinuity of the API counter. So far I should not loose nothing in between. As I stated in another post I do this saving every hour. So the maximum you might loose on a sudden reboot is the last hour.

Hope this does it more clearer and not more confusing

For 1.) I had some ideas which I might test in the coming days to solve the "billing period problem". Your idea for the full reset is worth a thought, but we have to take into account then, that the daily logbook is not representing the reality anymore.

For 2.) I tried this but until know without any effect. I set the option in the JDE to restart on reset and it works in the simulator. But it does not work on the device. I suppose because the code is not signed.

For the graphical issues on 8300 and 8800. I'll have closer look to it later. It's clear that as the height is limited I have to skip information which might not be relevant for traffic counting.

For the expiration date: It's more not to be faced with questions about early betas in one year

AxelE


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Axel, love the program so far but confused about this statement. You say ignore the figure below the graph for the limit, I understand what you are saying but correct me if i am wrong, what is under the graph gets added into the totals above the graph every minute, correct. If so, the only way the numbers below the graph could be bigger than those above is if it rolls into a new day without a reset, the daily figure is reset, but not the figures since reboot. Do I understand this correctly? Also, as previously mentioned, the display is not quite correct on my 8800 and I don't see the network and battery lines, and the lines below the graph are also a little broken up due to the size of display compared to the 81xx series. Great start though, thanks.

P.S. I just noticed something weird, been using for a couple hours now and the totals above the graph both read 108k, but below the graph they read In 303k and Out 78k, since this i all the same day as being installed, shouldn't the total at the top of the graphs be the sum of the two below the graphs?

P.S.S. Axel, been playing with this a while and really like it. A couple of suggestions/feature requests are:

1) I know people have asked for the ability to set the monthly reset date based on their billing cycle. I think just a full "data reset" option along with the ability to disable the default reset would be nice too. It would do two things, should someone want to reset the data mid-day or month for some reason, they would have that option and until you figure out how to do the "reset date", users could set a recurring alarm for the date of their billing cycle and do the rest themselves. This could also be handy if someone like me has an unlimited plan at home, but do a lot of traveling and therefore roaming, so I could reset it as I am leaving just so I don't get any huge data roaming surprises when I return home

2) Since you have the option to never terminate, another nice feature would be the ability to launch automatically with a reset. I know this is possible, Pocketday has this option, and then the data graphing etc would commence automatically with a rest.

Just some thoughts, but as a far as this being a "welcome to the world" programming effort, WELL DONE so far.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 09:14 AM

AxelE,

I have successfully installed your app on my 8830. The app loads without any issues but I get no traffic updates... All counters stay at 0 (had the application loaded for a couple of hours and even tried to download wallpapers to generate traffic). Maybe I missed it in the previous post but are 8830 (or CDMA devices) supported?

Thanks!


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Default 12-17-2007, 09:19 AM

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/111)

The RIM API classes I use seem not to support CDMA traffic. At least I can reproduce this behaviour in the simulator.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 09:47 AM

hmm, i have a little bug.

I have an 8310 on Rogers that I have set to turn off at 12am (midnight) and turn back on at 6am. When i unlock my BB in the morning I have an error:
"Uncaught exception: Application MiniMoni(149) is not respopnding; process terminated"
I select OK, then just go and open minimoni and everything is fine.

This error has come up since I installed it. I figure it had to do with the fact that I use auto on/off?

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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/111)

Yes that seems to have the reason you mentioned. I will put it on my ToDo list to check if I can do something

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Default 12-17-2007, 11:55 AM

So, I went to bed last night and put my BB on the charger on the nightstand and set it to Quiet Profile. Half an hour later the thing vibrated and flashed the LED (very bright!) about 10 times. I picked it up to see what it wanted. I saw nothing. I set it back down and two minutes later it did it again (my wife is now frustrated!) I picked it up again and thought something was wrong. It dawned on me that it might be the data usage threshold. It was set at 1MB. I like the idea of the alarm and will turn it off or set it higher in the future but can I suggest some kind of a popup message and/or be able to set it's notifications under profiless? I still love this app but that one really threw me for a few minutes late last night!
   
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/111)

The RIM API classes I use seem not to support CDMA traffic. At least I can reproduce this behaviour in the simulator.

That's really to bad...


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Default 12-17-2007, 12:21 PM

Hello John,

I'm really sorry about that and please receive my apology for that and transfer it to your wife as well. I hope you don't throw it away now...

The default settings were wrong as they switch the alarm ON by default. I'll change this later today as well as the way to inform the user. You'll see a new beta today.

I already thought about putting it into the alarm profiles but for that the code must be signed what is not yet possible for me.

@all

Please check your settings for the limit in the preferences to avoid such a situation in the future.

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So, I went to bed last night and put my BB on the charger on the nightstand and set it to Quiet Profile. Half an hour later the thing vibrated and flashed the LED (very bright!) about 10 times. I picked it up to see what it wanted. I saw nothing. I set it back down and two minutes later it did it again (my wife is now frustrated!) I picked it up again and thought something was wrong. It dawned on me that it might be the data usage threshold. It was set at 1MB. I like the idea of the alarm and will turn it off or set it higher in the future but can I suggest some kind of a popup message and/or be able to set it's notifications under profiless? I still love this app but that one really threw me for a few minutes late last night!
   
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Hello John,

I'm really sorry about that and please receive my apology for that and transfer it to your wife as well. I hope you don't throw it away now...

The default settings were wrong as they switch the alarm ON by default. I'll change this later today as well as the way to inform the user. You'll see a new beta today.

I already thought about putting it into the alarm profiles but for that the code must be signed what is not yet possible for me.

@all

Please check your settings for the limit in the preferences to avoid such a situation in the future.

AxelE
Ha ha....no, I'm not throwing it out. It just took me a minute to figure out what it was. No need for an apology! A popup message would be great if you can't get to profiles without code signing. Or maybe set what the notifier is in the Preferences. No worries, Axel! My wife already hates my Blackberry, so it's not you!
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 01:10 PM

Definitely trying this out!

Look out for the Roger's cease and desist to keep them from getting screwed out of their rip offs


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For 2.) I tried this but until know without any effect. I set the option in the JDE to restart on reset and it works in the simulator. But it does not work on the device. I suppose because the code is not signed.
A key is $100 USD, I bet if you asked people for $5 donations (PayPal works from USA/Canada to Germany?) to help buy you the key, they would help. There seems to be a lot of people who really need your application to save them money.

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Default 12-17-2007, 01:35 PM

Agree - but let me first take care about the major issues reported here to not disturb the people by night for example

AxelE

PS: Yes paypal should work fine. I only have to set it up I suppose. Like a lot of others "I just have to do..."

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A key is $100 USD, I bet if you asked people for $5 donations (PayPal works from USA/Canada to Germany?) to help buy you the key, they would help. There seems to be a lot of people who really need your application to save them money.

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Default 12-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Agree - but let me first take care about the major issues reported here to not disturb the people by night for example
awww, it's only John Clark, his wife is used to this stuff. Don't worry about it!

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Default 12-17-2007, 01:58 PM

Hi all,

I updated to version 0.30.2 which is available at the download links. The main change is the way to inform about the limit overdrawn. It is now a dialog box which you can dismiss and check if you want to see it again. If you say "Don't ask this again" it will be shown only on the next application restart.

I hope by this week I can fix the following stuff:

1. Add a manual reset of the monthly counter. Together with an option to NOT reset the value by the end of the month automatically it could be first work around for the "billing period problem"

2. Try to fix the problem "Uncaught exception: Application MiniMoni(149) is not respopnding; process terminated" when the application was running and the device is switched of...

3. Check the filling of the screen on the bottom for other devices then 8100

4. Check how the application can be started at boot up of the device (works in the simulator but not on a real device)

So far from my site.

Best regards

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Default 12-17-2007, 02:02 PM

Excellent idea for an app, Axel! I just read thru the thread (my eyes are crossed now) and am going to install on BOTH of my devices - 8130 and 8830. Will see what the differences are for both.

I bet my (personal) 8130 sees more usage than my (work) 8830
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 02:14 PM

Short update to 0.30.3 - as the one before could stack some modal dialogs one on each other

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Default 12-17-2007, 02:22 PM

Sorry forgot to upload all. Only the OTA was updated... That's why it's a 0.30.4 now The last one for today
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:15 PM

Axel, GREAT app! I don't really have a practical use for it as I have an unlimited data plan, but this has been a highly requested app. Thanks for the great contribution to the community!


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Default 12-17-2007, 03:37 PM

General note: BBCool picked up on the app and ran a story, pointing to this thread.

http://blackberrycool.com/2007/12/17/006285/
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:39 PM

Excelent peace of STWR, thanks a lot AxelE
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:46 PM

CDMA gonna get some love with this?
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 04:18 PM

Had a look in the API documentation again and made some debugging. The documentation clearly states, that this function is not supported on CDMA devices.

Sorry for that, and I know a lot of you suffer from that.

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