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picked up a small spelling mistake. In your menu it says 'Toogle graphic' it should read "Toggle graphic"

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General note: BBCool picked up on the app and ran a story, pointing to this thread.

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Congrats. Looks like it is going to snowball!
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 03:58 PM

Thanks for that - my English is far away from to be perfect... Probably was influenced by google

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picked up a small spelling mistake. In your menu it says 'Toogle graphic' it should read "Toggle graphic"

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I afraid of Looking on the statistics of my web server today ...

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Thanks for that - my English is far away from to be perfect...
Your English is great, Axel. We realize it's not your native language, nobody has any problems understanding you. Thanks for using your English for us/vielen danke fur schreiben en Englisch. (mein Deutsch is nicht sehr gut, vergessen viel)
   
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Excellent! So, the most that would be lost is one hour of data counting if an "update now" or "close" is not performed. Is this written to the SD card or is it written to device memory. My other thought is how much device memory will this app use (for recording, etc.) over the course of a month? BB's have been notorious for losing memory over the course of several days and can usually be attributed to 3rd party apps.
Congrates on a job well done. I have to say I love this app, however I'm somewhat concern about the device memory, data storage. Is there away I can detele logbook storage?


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Default 12-17-2007, 05:55 PM

From what he posted above it doesn't sound like it accumulates data in memory. It uses a small amount of space to save the small amount of logbook data (he posted the amount above.) I've not noticed any memory drop from this app. Also, one would assume that battery life would be affected but I've not noticed any ill-effects on the battery either.
   
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Thanks for clearing that John.


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Agree - but let me first take care about the major issues reported here to not disturb the people by night for example

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Aw, shucks! You didn't have to do that just for me! It was my own fault for leaving that option checked when I didn't really need it. Either way, a fix is appreciated! Downloading the latest now.
   
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Hi all,

I updated to version 0.30.2 which is available at the download links. The main change is the way to inform about the limit overdrawn. It is now a dialog box which you can dismiss and check if you want to see it again. If you say "Don't ask this again" it will be shown only on the next application restart.

I hope by this week I can fix the following stuff:

1. Add a manual reset of the monthly counter. Together with an option to NOT reset the value by the end of the month automatically it could be first work around for the "billing period problem"

2. Try to fix the problem "Uncaught exception: Application MiniMoni(149) is not respopnding; process terminated" when the application was running and the device is switched of...

3. Check the filling of the screen on the bottom for other devices then 8100

4. Check how the application can be started at boot up of the device (works in the simulator but not on a real device)

So far from my site.

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i'm using your 30.4 now:

Axel how to reset monthly counter ? I don't see it in any preference nor the logbook.
as for number 4, still can't make it autostart upon device restart/boot up, how to do it
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 07:28 PM

As a Rogers user, AxelE, you are a Godsend!!!

I have the $5 for 5MB data package (no BIS), and it tracks just TCP over edge, not wifi, which is perfect.

This is the best xmas gift a crackberry addict could ask for!

I've just installed it and all options look great. I'll let you know if any issues arrise from use with my 8320.
   
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... and it tracks just TCP over edge, not wifi, which is perfect....
I like it this way, as well. Hopefully if/when wifi is added it will be available as a user preference.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 08:12 PM

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i'm using your 30.4 now:

Axel how to reset monthly counter ? I don't see it in any preference nor the logbook.
as for number 4, still can't make it autostart upon device restart/boot up, how to do it
He still has to address those issues, they are not implemented in the 30.4 build.
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 08:35 PM

ah thanks, i though that missed something on this newer build
   
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Default 12-17-2007, 10:28 PM

Axel - here is an interesting thing. It appears MinMoni counts sending an email (at least for me) as data usage. Testing, on only EDGE (T-Mobile) I start a Traffic Watch in MM. Then I compose a quick email to myself at work ("test" subject/body) and the Traffic Watch counted 808 bytes. (this alone is curious) To verify what I thought I grabbed the raw sent email from my work mailbox, deleted headers I knew were added later and saved it; it is 685 bytes. The remaining 123 bytes could have been network overhead in transmitting from the device to RIM, seams reasonable to me.

I find this interesting because most carrier phone plans for BlackBerry differentiate between email use and data use; for example on T-Mo you can buy unlimited email for $10, or unlimited email + unlimited data for $20 (the last time I looked). This would explain the problem a previous poster mentioned thinking his recorded data usage seemed awfully high - it (MiniMoni or the RIM API maybe?) was counting email usage as data usage.

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Default 12-17-2007, 10:46 PM

I'm assuming that this counter is just counting raw data coming and going from the device. For the email separation for billing at the carrier, wouldn't they be able to determine that another way? Different servers, etc. (that's all hocus pocus to me after it leaves my BB )
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 01:24 AM

You do not need to be much concerned about that. One logbook entry counts less then 50 bytes if you don't add remarks. I'm currently working on the purging job giving you the option to delete everything older then 30 / 60 days. So the amount of memory will be maximum 60 days * 50 bytes = 3 kilobyte.

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Congrates on a job well done. I have to say I love this app, however I'm somewhat concern about the device memory, data storage. Is there away I can detele logbook storage?
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 01:29 AM

For the battery live I'm not really sure that it does not have an impact. If I let the application run overnight I will have a drop down of 2% of capacity. If I stop it in the evening it's only 0-1% (radio is running) overnight. So there is work done in the background. If you switch on the "cycle elapsed time" you can see that there is a small amount of processing time every second (In fact it does show the amount of milliseconds spent on calculating during one second, so a number of 10 would mean 1% processor load, roughly...)

But may be on a device with a bigger accumulator you can't see this small difference. May experience comes from a 8100

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From what he posted above it doesn't sound like it accumulates data in memory. It uses a small amount of space to save the small amount of logbook data (he posted the amount above.) I've not noticed any memory drop from this app. Also, one would assume that battery life would be affected but I've not noticed any ill-effects on the battery either.
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 01:32 AM

So the counter is just taking into account raw traffic OTA not counting WIFI. A distinction between mail and web is not possible on that level. I was not aware that there are so highly sophisticated data plans on the market

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Axel - here is an interesting thing. It appears MinMoni counts sending an email (at least for me) as data usage. Testing, on only EDGE (T-Mobile) I start a Traffic Watch in MM. Then I compose a quick email to myself at work ("test" subject/body) and the Traffic Watch counted 808 bytes. (this alone is curious) To verify what I thought I grabbed the raw sent email from my work mailbox, deleted headers I knew were added later and saved it; it is 685 bytes. The remaining 123 bytes could have been network overhead in transmitting from the device to RIM, seams reasonable to me.

I find this interesting because most carrier phone plans for BlackBerry differentiate between email use and data use; for example on T-Mo you can buy unlimited email for $10, or unlimited email + unlimited data for $20 (the last time I looked). This would explain the problem a previous poster mentioned thinking his recorded data usage seemed awfully high - it (MiniMoni or the RIM API maybe?) was counting email usage as data usage.

Hmmm.
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 08:24 AM

I have unlimited data but I am intrigued have downloaded and am playing with the app. so far I likey!! definitely are uses for this program


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Default 12-18-2007, 09:14 AM

Wow, this was a very promising app, especially for those of us in Canada. It's a real shame that those of us with CDMA cannot benefit from it. I guess I'll just have to wait patiently until the day that CDMA gets some useage.

Congrats on an awesome piece of programming!!! This is definitely more than a Hello World.
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 02:28 PM

I don't know if this is possible, but I noticed the tracker doesn't track txt msgs (which is great!), but I've noticed it DOES track MMS msgs as data, at least on the outbound meter... Is there a way to distinguish between MMS and APN traffic?

Thanks again for the awesome app!
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 02:33 PM

Generally spoken: NO. Sorry for that. This application is taking into account the raw IP traffic on the air side if it is IP. SMS is no IP but MMS is. At least that's my understanding ...


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I don't know if this is possible, but I noticed the tracker doesn't track txt msgs (which is great!), but I've noticed it DOES track MMS msgs as data, at least on the outbound meter... Is there a way to distinguish between MMS and APN traffic?

Thanks again for the awesome app!
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 02:46 PM

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Generally spoken: NO. Sorry for that. This application is taking into account the raw IP traffic on the air side if it is IP. SMS is no IP but MMS is. At least that's my understanding ...
Makes sense to me Is a work around then to stop the counter, send the mms msgs then restart the counter?
   
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I've got a Verizon Wireless Pearl 8130 on BIS, and I seem to be having a problem using the application. I've had it loaded for about a day now, and it hasn't shown any data usage. I've tried deleting it (OTA download) and installing it again (Desktop upload), but it still registers nothing.

Since the product works for everyone else, it's clearly not a problem with the software, but does anyone have any suggestions as to which settings might be improperly set?
   
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I've got a Verizon Wireless Pearl 8130 on BIS, and I seem to be having a problem using the application. I've had it loaded for about a day now, and it hasn't shown any data usage. I've tried deleting it (OTA download) and installing it again (Desktop upload), but it still registers nothing.

Since the product works for everyone else, it's clearly not a problem with the software, but does anyone have any suggestions as to which settings might be improperly set?
As far as I know, this app only currently works for GSM phones, not CDMA phones.
   
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Default 12-18-2007, 04:14 PM

This is correct...

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This is correct...
Are there any plans for a CDMA-compatible app?
   
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Default Big Thanks - 12-18-2007, 06:47 PM

I'm on Rogers. Since owning my blackberry it is the most useful application I have installed on my blackberry.

You have really help us Canadians.

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Are there any plans for a CDMA-compatible app?
Just because *I* am getting tired of seeing this - the author has answered multiple times that the RIM API does not support CDMA, there's nothing he can do at this time. This was asked and answered throughout this thread over and over.
   
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Just because *I* am getting tired of seeing this - the author has answered multiple times that the RIM API does not support CDMA, there's nothing he can do at this time. This was asked and answered throughout this thread over and over.
Please excuse my ignorance.

That's unfortunate to hear that CDMA continues to show its shortcomings. (edit: *shortcomings surrounding the CDMA platform)

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But will there be support for RRR API's?


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Could you enlight me what do you have in mind with this abbreviation?

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I think you've just experienced Stinson's attempt at humor. Ignore.
   
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axel, i think i found a bug on MiniMoni, its drain 8820 battery so fast, so the 8820 can't even last a day, i have it test on two 8820, but it make no problem on 8800 (have test it also)

on other bb i test no problem found (battery problem), 8700, 8300, 8320, 8120, 8800, and 8100 no problem concerning battery life found

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Could I ask you to activate "Show cycle elapsed time" in preferences and post me what the figure just below the graphic is (in green).It should be between 0-20 not more.

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axel, i think i found a bug on MiniMoni, its drain 8820 battery so fast, so the 8820 can't even last a day, i have it test on two 8820, but it make no problem on 8800 (have test it also)

on other bb i test no problem found (battery problem), 8700, 8300, 8320, 8120, 8800, and 8100 no problem concerning battery life found

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the option (show cycle elapsed time) already check by default, i will re install it again on my 8820 and will report back with the value
   
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One other thought: The firmware releases are different? 4.3 on 8820 and 4.2 and earlier on the others?

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Could I ask you to activate "Show cycle elapsed time" in preferences and post me what the figure just below the graphic is (in green).It should be between 0-20 not more.
just finished re-installed minimoni on 8820 again, and here are the value,
it's variable range between 36 - 44, so it's over 20 as you mention before, on the other 8820 it,s range between 50 - 150 (when there is a data activity), when idle it's show normal cycle time 4-8

by the way can you tell me what is cycle elapsed time ?

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