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Old 02-27-2008, 01:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mobisystems has released the long awaited upgrade to their MSDict application for working with dictionaries on your device. This upgrade solves all the permissions errors, save problems and wizard "not saving setup" types of things - I've upgraded my 8320 English/Spanish install and it's working perfectly:

Example link (look on the right, 5.00 - date is still wrong though):
Mobile Systems - MSDict Concise Oxford Spanish Dictionary - Mobile Software for BlackBerry 8320

I received in email the below for those upgrading:

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Follow the instructions below to remove the old version from the device so that the new one is installed a clean installation.

Please connect the BlackBerry to the PC.
Open the Desktop Manager and click on the Application Loader. In the Application Loader screen uncheck all of the checkboxes next to the dictionaries and the MSDict and PDBLibrary so that the Action next to each one is set to "Remove". After that click on Next and then in the next screen click Finish. The device will start to remove the dictionaries. After the device has finished removing the dictionaries start the .exe file which you had used to install the program in the first place with (the setup file) and choose to Remove the program from the PC. You can also remove the MSDict from Start>Programs>Mobile Systems>MSDict. Also, check for any MSDict or dictionary files in Options>Advanced Options>Applications and remove them. The program will be uninstalled.

Please do this for all of the dictionaries which you have currently on the BlackBerry so they can be removed from both the PC and the BlackBerry. After that install the new version.
In my opinion they offer the best set of language/thesaurus type software for mobile use - everything from supporting dictionaries on the SD card (or online!), to easy dictionary switching, colloquial usage, situational usage of verbs, and all sorts of other things. They even have fun features like 'Random Word' and 'Word of the Day', it's great when you're learning a language and just want some random new knowledge.

You only need one viewer program installed and can keep tons of dictionaries on the SD card and just switch between them with two menu clicks. Your license key actually unlocks the dictionaries (not the viewer program), so you can also have registered and unregistered dictionaries on the same device with ease.
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The dictionaries are stored on the SD Card.
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anyone else having problems installing this? i'm not sure what is going wrong, but partway through the install, my BB goes to a white screen with a progress bar that says "wiping...". upon reboot, it's wiped back to default out of the box settings, except some 3rd party apps are present. i'm just following the defaults during the install.

i tried the install twice, on 2 different pc's, with the same results.
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You only need one viewer program installed and can keep tons of dictionaries on the SD card and just switch between them with two menu clicks.
What is a viewer program? Is there one pre-installed on the BB, or included with the download?
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anyone else having problems installing this? i'm not sure what is going wrong, but partway through the install, my BB goes to a white screen with a progress bar that says "wiping...". upon reboot, it's wiped back to default out of the box settings, except some 3rd party apps are present. i'm just following the defaults during the install.

i tried the install twice, on 2 different pc's, with the same results.
he said it's for the 8320
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camaro - I don't actually use their installer, as I have a personal bias against "wizard" type of software which tries to be too smart for it's own good. Here's my personal method for this piece of software:

1) run the installer up until the point it asks you to plug in your BB device (so, do [n]not[/b] have your device plugged in). Now pause right here in this installer.

2) press WindowsKey + E and the Windows Explorer will pop up. Navigate to C:\Program Files\MobiSystems\ and copy the entire contents of that directory to your clipboard

3) find a temp directory (I always have a C:\Temp\ on my PCs, use whatever works for you) and paste your clipboard into this directory. Basically you've just copied the installed files from the Wizard still running in the background.

4) ALT+TAB back to the installer and cancel the installer wizard. This will erase the installed files in C:\Program Files\Mobisystems.

5) use the normal, regular "Application Loader" to add the three ALX files to your device (one is for the reader of course, then there's one for each dictionary - so in my case it was the MSDict, Eng->Sp, and Sp->Eng dicts).

I've used this method with this software twice (v4 and v5) and it's worked perfectly on my 8320. Remember to save those files we copied (I zip 'em up) so next time if you have to reinstall all you need to do is unzip and use the AppLoader like always. I have plans of writing OTA .jad files for these but just haven't gotten around to it, I don't like having software installs that tie me to Windows (being a linux guy).
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What is a viewer program? Is there one pre-installed on the BB, or included with the download?
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The viewer program is the one named here, 'MSDict' - it's free as part of the download of any of their dictionary bundles. Basically their business model is that the viewer software is free and common (so you only need to install it once, and the same one works for all dictionaries) and they make money off of the dictionaries themselves.
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he said it's for the 8320
Click the link in the original post, the 8100 is in the list of compatible devices.
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camaro - I don't actually use their installer, as I have a personal bias against "wizard" type of software which tries to be too smart for it's own good. Here's my personal method for this piece of software:

1) run the installer up until the point it asks you to plug in your BB device (so, do [n]not[/b] have your device plugged in). Now pause right here in this installer.

2) press WindowsKey + E and the Windows Explorer will pop up. Navigate to C:\Program Files\MobiSystems\ and copy the entire contents of that directory to your clipboard

3) find a temp directory (I always have a C:\Temp\ on my PCs, use whatever works for you) and paste your clipboard into this directory. Basically you've just copied the installed files from the Wizard still running in the background.

4) ALT+TAB back to the installer and cancel the installer wizard. This will erase the installed files in C:\Program Files\Mobisystems.

5) use the normal, regular "Application Loader" to add the three ALX files to your device (one is for the reader of course, then there's one for each dictionary - so in my case it was the MSDict, Eng->Sp, and Sp->Eng dicts).

I've used this method with this software twice (v4 and v5) and it's worked perfectly on my 8320. Remember to save those files we copied (I zip 'em up) so next time if you have to reinstall all you need to do is unzip and use the AppLoader like always. I have plans of writing OTA .jad files for these but just haven't gotten around to it, I don't like having software installs that tie me to Windows (being a linux guy).
Thanks rivvie. I, too, hate it when wizards try to "think" too much for me. I'd much rather download the files myself and install using DM. I think sometimes in an effort to simplify things, they end up more complicated.

I see what you are doing in the steps above. However, I'm a little concerned, because the "wipe" I mentioned didn't happen until after the .exe installation wizard had kicked off the DM portion of the install. I'm not sure if it will happen again, even if I do the install manually as you describe above. One other thing that concerns me is that after the "wipe", the MS dict program and the 2 dictionaries were actually installed on my device. So the install was somewhat "successfull", if you want to call it that.

I may try your method, but I am a bit tired of restoring my device, then spending another half hour getting everything back to how it was (stuff that is not restored by restoring a backup). It does look like a nice product though, so I may try again....
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I may try your method, but I am a bit tired of restoring my device, then spending another half hour getting everything back to how it was (stuff that is not restored by restoring a backup). It does look like a nice product though, so I may try again....
I've done my method twice without any problems whatsoever, the applications/programs themselves I don't think are at fault. I think what's at fault is that dumb exe wizard screwing up your device; the programs themselves (MSDict, PDBLibrary supporting files) seems to be very small and "normal" of a program, no funky business. But, since I've never let the wizard run I can't 100% verify this statement myself.

I manually copy the dictionaries to my SD card, too - they (the .PDB files) go into a top level "MSDict" folder on the card, very much like .PRC files for Mobipocket go into a "eBooks" top level folder on the card as well.
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OK, we lost a lot in the crash of 2008-03-12 thru 2008-03-14, a quick summary and some new info I have received:

Version 5.10.09 was released, no changelog is available. One of the new "features" is that it automatically restarts itself after you manually exit the app, which is undesirable to some of us. The reasoning by their engineers is that it's a "sleeper" thread (so not really running, per se) waiting for a USB connection; if woken up the idea is this thread is responsible for accepting new dictionaries over the USB cable.

I had a few pleasant emails with their team about this, and how many of us do not want or need this feature; the engineers have agreed to address it in the update (no time frame given) in some manner; I suggested making it a configurable option in the Preferences. (I also reported the "wiped my device" problem some people have had with their Wizard, no word on that)

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Some of us (including me) are NOT Windows users, but Mac OS X and Linux users who do not use these types of features (no offense to your team at all) and have no need to have a sleeper application running in the background, ever. We don't mind if the app autostarts after a reboot of the device (it would be nice if that were configurable as well, but it's not an issue) but if I manually choose Menu -> Exit from the application, gosh darn it the app should stay exited and not restart itself.
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Thank you for the feedback))
The developers said they will fix this in the next version)))) I will let you know when we release it so you can try it.
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I've been trialing this product for a while now. Thought I'd post my thoughts.
  1. First and foremost, they need to take care of the "inadvertant wiping of password protected devices" during the install.
  2. With the new version, and having the app always running in the background, well that is frankly a big turn off to me. I am quite snobby about having apps running in the background, even if they are using "minimal" resources. The explanation Rivvie got from MS doesn't seem very plausible either - How often are we adding dictionaries? I would get the dictionaries I need, then probably not add any more. And even if I did add more dictionaries, why do I need a "sleeper" process running? I was able to add them using 5.00 without a "sleeper" process just fine.
  3. The content of the dictionaries I've trialed is EXCELLENT, probably the best content of dictionary offerings I have seen for the BB.
  4. Overall operation within the app is good. It flows well and is intuitive.

I haven't decided whether to purchase yet or not. The price per dictionary is pretty high. But the excellent content of the dictionaries is making me seriously consider purchase. Now if it had Spanish verb conjugations included, I would have already bought it....

Thanks again, Rivvie, for your help installing. I would have never gotten this installed without your help. **hint, hint, MSDict, fix the install process!!**
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The explanation Rivvie got from MS doesn't seem very plausible either - How often are we adding dictionaries?
Alas, I've encountered it before with Mobipocket, who has the same reasoning and methodology - the app sits in the background waiting for a USB connection to add more eBooks from their desktop tool. They completely overlook the concept that many of us read free eBooks (PRC files) and just drag & drop them on the SD card (and some using OS X and/or Linux), not using some Windows desktop tool. With Mobipocket I finally got them to give up the magic keystroke - from the Library view you do shift+Q and it completely exits the app.

So when I was given the reasoning for MSDict I just sort of understood - they didn't understand the concept about many of us not using Windows and/or adding more dictionaries. A nice email and explanation was all it took, and now the developers are doing something to accommodate us (yet to be seen).

Regarding the wipe device - I made mention of it, but didn't go into detail as I haven't encountered it myself. Write to support and let them know your results, they seem to very friendly and interested in our feedback as customers. If people don't let them know how much they don't care for the wizard and/or what it's messing up, they'll never know to make changes!
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MSdict is great but it would be more usefull when it will be possible to create own databases, anybody know if i is possible?
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