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Old 02-19-2009, 03:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am using BB 8703e v. 4.2.1.106 on Verizon and would love to send a long SMS - you type as much as you want and then the device breaks them down into 160 char each and send them...

I am able to do it on other Verizon phones but not on BB 8703e :(

Maybe there is some update or some option or some feature to address this?

Maybe there is even a software that could do that - like in contacts you would select "send long SMS" type your message and it would break it down?
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am using BB 8703e v. 4.2.1.106 on Verizon and would love to send a long SMS - you type as much as you want and then the device breaks them down into 160 char each and send them...

I am able to do it on other Verizon phones but not on BB 8703e :(

Maybe there is some update or some option or some feature to address this?

Maybe there is even a software that could do that - like in contacts you would select "send long SMS" type your message and it would break it down?
Send message as MMS instead...
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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there still must be a fix for this. my friends tmobile curve is able to send a text past the 180 limit.. yet my curve on sprint is not able to. this is not a limitation of sprint or the phone.. so there must be a fix.

id love to try to fix this.. just not sure how to go about it. if someone can point me in the right direction.. i'll take over from there.
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There is no real fix, IMHO. There is a 160-character limit on SMS - this is baked in to the protocol. Some of the networks support an SMS with multipl segments, some don't. Some versions of BB OS support this feature, others don't.

Even if you have a phone that does support multi-segment SMS, your message will often show up as multiple separate SMS messages if you cross platforms (example: T-Mobile to AT&T).

I learned all of this the hard way trying to implement "Send v-card via SMS" on the BlackBerry platform. Just about every v-card exceeds the limit.
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I would like this on my 8330 as well. I just use email/MMS if I need to send a longer message.
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there still must be a fix for this. my friends tmobile curve is able to send a text past the 180 limit.. yet my curve on sprint is not able to. this is not a limitation of sprint or the phone.. so there must be a fix.
Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that it's not a device or carrier limitation. What else could it possibly be? Those are the only two components in the equation. It is in fact, a carrier-imposed limitation.
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Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that it's not a device or carrier limitation. What else could it possibly be? Those are the only two components in the equation. It is in fact, a carrier-imposed limitation.
because the curve on tmobile is able to type texts longer than 160 characters.. and yes.. it splits them up when sending.. but still on your end you can just type away. so the curve hardware itself can support such a thing.

also.. on the sprint side of things.. i have quite a few phones that allow the 160+ typing.. and then the network splits them. so the network itself can handle this.

it comes down to a firmware limitation on sprint.. or perhaps all CDMA BB's... so then at some point.. an app/code/hack of some sort could get this possible working... if the right person was on the job.

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You do realize that there are different model curves, right? The 8300, 8310, 8320 and 8330. The 8330 is the only CDMA curve, the rest are GSM.
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You do realize that there are different model curves, right? The 8300, 8310, 8320 and 8330. The 8330 is the only CDMA curve, the rest are GSM.
correct.

but do you really think the HARDWARE itself somehow isnt able to produce this? or that it comes down to firmware limitations...

i truly believe its a general CDMA firmware issue that the carriers all agreed to have put into effect. if its a matter of code blocking/disabling/etc.. then its just a matter of code to have it working.
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sms is only 160 by default. it is SHORT (first S) if you both have smartphones?!? why not send an email? or a PIN or a MMS?
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I've never seen such a topic bring out irrelevant answers. When someone asks "how can I send more that 160 characters in an SMS?" the answer should be related to how to do it. I don't think the person should be told to use email, LOL.. hey if your thumb hurts, whack your toe with a hammer...

I think a piece of software should exist or should be developed which could break down large SMS messages into digestible pieces for the carriers to carry along to the recipient.

That's my two cents.. ;)
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I've never seen such a topic bring out irrelevant answers. When someone asks "how can I send more that 160 characters in an SMS?" the answer should be related to how to do it. I don't think the person should be told to use email, LOL.. hey if your thumb hurts, whack your toe with a hammer...

I think a piece of software should exist or should be developed which could break down large SMS messages into digestible pieces for the carriers to carry along to the recipient.

That's my two cents.. ;)
"I think a piece of software should exist or should be developed which could break down large SMS messages into digestible pieces for the carriers to carry along to the recipient."
second that
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"I think a piece of software should exist or should be developed which could break down large SMS messages into digestible pieces for the carriers to carry along to the recipient."
second that
well, it's been decided on already . . . by open standards, SMS is 160 characters. GSM carriers are more forgiving as far as allowing multi-segment messages to be sent via their SMS network than CDMA carriers.

The "piece of software" that you are clamouring for is called MMS, and that's already incorporated on the devices. . . sending 1 lengthy MMS message that may equal multiple SMS may actually save Sender and/or Receiver extra messaging charges if they're not on any unlimited messaging plan.

So, by all means, use MMS that you already have.
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well, it's been decided on already . . . by open standards, SMS is 160 characters. GSM carriers are more forgiving as far as allowing multi-segment messages to be sent via their SMS network than CDMA carriers.

The "piece of software" that you are clamouring for is called MMS, and that's already incorporated on the devices. . . sending 1 lengthy MMS message that may equal multiple SMS may actually save Sender and/or Receiver extra messaging charges if they're not on any unlimited messaging plan.

So, by all means, use MMS that you already have.
doesnt mms cost money to those receiving it without an mms plan built into their main plan? if everyone had free mms id only use mms.. but im not trying to charge my friends $$ to receive something they dont have.
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doesnt mms cost money to those receiving it without an mms plan built into their main plan? if everyone had free mms id only use mms.. but im not trying to charge my friends $$ to receive something they dont have.
Generally, present day messaging is described to include SMS, MMS, picture mail, etc.... if they don't have messaging plan and gets charged on a per message basis, then a 360-character SMS would cost three times as much as 1 MMS delivering the same message
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i believe att and sprint lump them in with most plans.. but i know that i have quite a few verizon friends that have sms but no mms plan... and they get charged .25 per mms. i just wouldnt want to have to think what friend has what plan before sending an mms.

either way... mms is a workaround.. but id like to see a fix with this.

im gonna play with sms service book variables and the sms module and see if that changes anything. prob not.. but worth a shot. i just know this isnt a hardware limitation and id like to get to the bottom of it.
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well, it's been decided on already . . . by open standards, SMS is 160 characters. GSM carriers are more forgiving as far as allowing multi-segment messages to be sent via their SMS network than CDMA carriers.

The "piece of software" that you are clamouring for is called MMS, and that's already incorporated on the devices. . . sending 1 lengthy MMS message that may equal multiple SMS may actually save Sender and/or Receiver extra messaging charges if they're not on any unlimited messaging plan.

So, by all means, use MMS that you already have.
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Depending on provider, they might offer a service 'SMS2EMAIL' but I believe its extremely rare and might not exactly be what you need.

However normal SMS is limited to 160 characters by standard as crisambo stated.
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Old 02-27-2009, 03:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I know its a slight deviation from the discussion but does anyone know of an application that gives custom messages apart from the one on the phone ...something like cool onliners , qoutes, just plain messages like will call u back ....
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Old 02-27-2009, 03:26 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That is a great deviation from this thread.

I don't know of anything that does that. Do you mean like the AutoText feature already on the BlackBerry?
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