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11-19-2006, 04:25 PM
I just noticed my level 1 reminder isn't working on my 7290. I don't even see them registering in the even log.
I have notify on missed email unchecked
Notify on High Priority is checked (might help to rename this level 1 since that is what we know them as)
In my regular profile I have level one set to a tone but I don't have it notify me for regular messages.
Thoughts?
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11-19-2006, 06:07 PM
Hi sorry SOAPM, I was a little confused by level 1 message. I thought it was refering to the priority of the email (high medium or low). So that is what that option does, if it is high priority email or PIN it will alert you.
Yeah level 1 alerts doesn't get treated differently by my program as there is nothing to go off of for my program. I would have to add the ability to create filters which my program was never really designed to do, sorry about the confusion.
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11-19-2006, 06:26 PM
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Hi sorry SOAPM, I was a little confused by level 1 message. I thought it was refering to the priority of the email (high medium or low). So that is what that option does, if it is high priority email or PIN it will alert you.
Yeah level 1 alerts doesn't get treated differently by my program as there is nothing to go off of for my program. I would have to add the ability to create filters which my program was never really designed to do, sorry about the confusion.
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Do you know what makes the BB acknowledge it as Level 1?
I'll play with it some more, that is something I need because the boss sends me emails and I make her mails level 1.
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11-20-2006, 11:00 AM
When the web client or BES forwards you the email it sends it as level 1 which the blackberry picks up but this is not accessable through the APIs useable by 3rd party developers from what I can see.
It basically uses PIN like notification but to send an email message, but the message is considered email and not PIN.
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11-20-2006, 01:33 PM
Logan
I know you said that the OTA link isn't available round the clock but have been trying to download on fairly regular intervals since last night and the page appears unavailable? Unfortunately I'm out of the office this week so all my new stuff has to be OTA as my home computers all run Vista which Desktop Manager doesn't work with yet!!!
Any update appreciated!
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11-20-2006, 01:42 PM
OTA server is up right now, but the version on there will not autostart as I'm trying to fix crashing with the 8100... so you will have to start it every boot. You should probably hold off if you have 4.2.64 pearl version since you have no access to desktop manager if it starts crashing.
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11-20-2006, 07:18 PM
Logon, I find that if I let the program control the LED on my 8700g (fyi, I've only selected to be notified of missed calls and SMS options) it works fine when say a missed call occurs. However, after I view the call, the LED light just stays off unless and until I reboot; i.e., no regular flashing green (or red when an e-mail comes in). Have you noticed this; any suggestions? I'd like to use the LED as well as the audible notification, but I'd also prefer to get my regular flashing LED lights back as soon as I've responded to the special notice. Thanks. lponz7
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11-20-2006, 11:04 PM
Yeah the LED control is pretty much all or nothing. One thing you can do with the latest version (still in testing) is you can set separate alerts up (instead of just one generic alert), so you could set to be notified for all events and then in the profiles just set sound to none. This way you will get LED for whatever color you choose but not get an audible alert.
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11-21-2006, 12:33 PM
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Several sources, including some on this site have said that the O2 .64 version and T-Mobile's .64 version are identical. Some have even attempted to upgrade to the TMO version when they are running the O2 version. Destop manager says no update required.
I'd like to hear from anyone that is running this application on the .64 version of the OS. I can understand that it is tough to debug when you have virtually nothing to go on. Is there a way you can install the .64 software and then put some kind of debugger on your application?
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i'm running the .64 version and with it you CANNOT use BlackBerry Alerts.
unfortunately i cannot afford to downgrade the OS in order to use the program because it fixes many problems that need to be fixed with the 8100.
so the only way myself or anyone else running .64 will be able to run BlackBerry Alerts is if the program is re-coded in some way to make it compatible with .64. The only thing that boggles my mind is that Logan says it works on the original T-Mo and Rogers OS's, something I can't confirm, but something that suggests there to be a big bug in the .64 release, or there has been some major update in the execution of Java code that is affecting BlackBerry Alerts' code.
Don't know what else to say other than I hope this can be remedied soon. I'd love to try the program, but cant!
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11-21-2006, 02:39 PM
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Logan, is this the version that you emailed to me the other day?
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11-21-2006, 02:41 PM
No this version was created last night with the help of PaulQ.
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11-21-2006, 02:53 PM
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i'm running the .64 version and with it you CANNOT use BlackBerry Alerts.
unfortunately i cannot afford to downgrade the OS in order to use the program because it fixes many problems that need to be fixed with the 8100.
so the only way myself or anyone else running .64 will be able to run BlackBerry Alerts is if the program is re-coded in some way to make it compatible with .64. The only thing that boggles my mind is that Logan says it works on the original T-Mo and Rogers OS's, something I can't confirm, but something that suggests there to be a big bug in the .64 release, or there has been some major update in the execution of Java code that is affecting BlackBerry Alerts' code.
Don't know what else to say other than I hope this can be remedied soon. I'd love to try the program, but cant!
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There is definitely something whacko in .64 because Blackberry Alerts caused my phone to crash when I installed it after I upgraded to .64. There was no change in the BB Alerts code. I don’t know why RIM allows this kind of thing to happen.
All of this crashing had nothing to with BB Alerts. It was .64’s changes on the Pearl.
Anyway, in usual form, logan jumped on it and spent hours with me trying to iron out the problem. We finally got it to work again with .64.
Excellent program!
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11-21-2006, 03:27 PM
I'm going to give it another try when I get home. BUT.... I wouldn't be so quick to blame RIM and their .64 OS. Sure, every OS has some bugs, but I've written enough software in my life to know that it is very tough to write an application that will work with numerous releases.
From what I've read, BB Alerts is the only application that is running without issues on pre .64 but has issues on .64. This leads me to believe that it is something with BB Alerts not the RIM OS.
I'm in no way demeaning your efforts or your application, I wish all developers attacked problems as quickly as you two. I'll let you know how it goes.
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11-21-2006, 03:43 PM
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I'm going to give it another try when I get home. BUT.... I wouldn't be so quick to blame RIM and their .64 OS. Sure, every OS has some bugs, but I've written enough software in my life to know that it is very tough to write an application that will work with numerous releases.
From what I've read, BB Alerts is the only application that is running without issues on pre .64 but has issues on .64. This leads me to believe that it is something with BB Alerts not the RIM OS.
I'm in no way demeaning your efforts or your application, I wish all developers attacked problems as quickly as you two. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Good point. 
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11-21-2006, 07:56 PM
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brilliant! it finally installs without making me want to use my blackberry as a stress ball!
it runs now, so ill see how it goes over a couple days of testing.
i should note that i was rather impatient and skipped the first link provided to a "debug" version. instead i clicked on the second link when the email came through to my berry of your new post in the thread and it ALSO seems like a "debug" version.
are these simply two different links to the same version of the software, or did you accidentally post the debug version in the second link meaning to provide a different version there?
thanks in advance, and as stated a post or two above, i WISH developers of other software would tackle software bugs with such dedication
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11-21-2006, 08:43 PM
Well I have it running on .64 and this is definately a "debug" version. I'm playing around with it now. Ran all of the LED tests, but nothing is happening on a missed call.
I never saw the load screen that gave me the "load all at once" option. Also, the alert log say the trial version has expired. Might be the reason for nothing happening with the missed call.
Thanks for the continued work on this.
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11-21-2006, 10:09 PM
the load all at once is in the debug version. Umm yeah I just need to change the title of the first screen to loading screen rather than debug screen
The difference in the two version I posted is that the debug will stop at the loading screen until you tell it to load while the non debug will fire up after about 3 seconds.
edit: sorry both version allow you to do the load all at once if you click the trackwheel on the load screen. There is no need to do this on the non debug version. I'll be removing that menu shortly.
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11-21-2006, 10:28 PM
thanks I will give it a try!
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11-21-2006, 11:41 PM
Well, I've been messing around with this for a couple of hours and so far so good. Below are a few observations and questions:
- I don't quite get the Audio Type. What is Seperate Profiles? Also, is the audio supposed to go off at the selected "Alert Repeat Frequency"? It appears just the LED goes off.
- The "Program Controls LED" must be checked to observe the different color LEDs for Calls, emails, messages. Is this correct?
- If you "Close" the program, your alerts stop. You must minimize, correct?
- If I set the time range from 10:00 - 20:00, does this mean the audible won't go off outside of that range? The LEDs will continue providing the "LED Alert Always" box is checked?
- If I power off my Blackberry, when I power it back on I have to restart the BB Alerts program. Is this just in this "debug" version I'm running or is this standard operation?
That's all for now. I'll continue testing, but so far this is a well done application.
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11-22-2006, 01:45 AM
I don't want to step on logan's toes here but I can answer a few of your questions. Leave him to do more programming! He should answer the rest:
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- I don't quite get the Audio Type. What is Seperate Profiles? Also, is the audio supposed to go off at the selected "Alert Repeat Frequency"? It appears just the LED goes off.
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Seperate Profiles causes the program to create seperate entires in your built in BB OS Profile window. For example, one for SMS and one for Voicemail. Using this, you can change the type of reminder you get for each of the different events. You may want to be vibrated for SMS reminders but get an audio reminder on missed voicemail. If you just select Profiles, it will use the same setting for all types.
The LED settings are applied across the board regardless of how you have the AUDIO TYPE set. You control the LED actions seperately using the LED assignment option.
The frequency applies to all reminders. If you are only getting the LED, my guess is that you have not set the BB Alert sound in your regular OS profiles. Logan might have another idea. I am assuing the audio test produced sound.
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- The "Program Controls LED" must be checked to observe the different color LEDs for Calls, emails, messages. Is this correct?
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Absolutely! It starts with that unchecked by default. You must check it if you want to use the awesome LED effects.
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- If you "Close" the program, your alerts stop. You must minimize, correct?
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Yes, it has to remain running in the background. On my Pearl, I just use the ESCAPE key to "exit".
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- If I set the time range from 10:00 - 20:00, does this mean the audible won't go off outside of that range? The LEDs will continue providing the "LED Alert Always" box is checked?
- If I power off my Blackberry, when I power it back on I have to restart the BB Alerts program. Is this just in this "debug" version I'm running or is this standard operation?
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LOGAN SHOULD ANSWER THOSE LAST TWO. I'm not sure which version is actually up on the server(s) and the scheduling feature is new.
I have been using the current version for days now and it works great on my Pearl. I have not extensively tested the schedule feature though. I think it will really grow on you - you'll become addicted like me!
Definitely let Logan know if you notice any problems.
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11-22-2006, 07:59 AM
Hmm with the schedule you setup the range and you can choose Alert inside range and Alert outside range. So if you go 10:00 to 20:00 then you will get audible and led alerts between those times. If it is say 21:00 you won't get an alert but if you check off always LED alert you will get an LED alert still.
The program will run on startup so if you do a full power boot it will start up. If you just turn it off and then back on then the BlackBerry just comes back up in the last state you left it in. So whatever programs were running are still running.
When on the main screen hit the escape key to minimize or select minimize from the menu. Selecting close from the menu will stop the program as you assumed.
edit: first time you run the program it creates a BlackBerry Alerts entry in all of your profiles. You need to configure this because by default the ringtone is set to off. As Paul said you choose separate alerts it creates entries for each alert type that need to be configured. The profiles is where you change your blackberry options like what ringtone to play for calls, emails, etc...
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11-22-2006, 08:16 AM
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Seperate Profiles causes the program to create seperate entires in your built in BB OS Profile window. For example, one for SMS and one for Voicemail. Using this, you can change the type of reminder you get for each of the different events. You may want to be vibrated for SMS reminders but get an audio reminder on missed voicemail. If you just select Profiles, it will use the same setting for all types.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm still not getting this though. You wrote " Seperate Profiles causes the program to create seperate entires in your built in BB OS Profile window."
Nothing is "created" in my built in profile window. The same profiles are there that have always been there. I understand what you're saying about changing the type of reminder for different events. This is what I thought should happen, however I can't seem to set it up correctly.
When you select "Seperate Profiles" for Audio Type, what profiles is the application using? How can I set email to vibrate and voice mail to audio?
Does this change need to be in my BB profiles? For example, do I need to edit my "normal" profile to have vibrate for email and a tone for voice. Or do I create new profiles for the different types of alerts?
Thanks for the help.
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11-22-2006, 08:39 AM
Right you need to edit your normal profile, on the 8100 it's a bit tricky; I think you need to scroll down to advanced.
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11-22-2006, 10:24 AM
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Right you need to edit your normal profile, on the 8100 it's a bit tricky; I think you need to scroll down to advanced.
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Thanks, but no luck so far. Here is my setup:
In my active profile, for my Messages[xxxxx.tmo.blackberry.net], I have the following:
Out of Holster: Tone
Tune: Notifier_LightSpeed
Volume: Low
Number of Beeps: 2
Repeat Notification: LED flashing
Number of Vibrations: 2
When I get an email to the above address, my tone goes off. From then on, all I get is a flashing purple LED, I never get the tone again.
On the BB Alerts Options, I have:
Audio Type: Separate Profiles
Alert Repeat Frequency: 1 Minute
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks
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11-22-2006, 03:57 PM
You need to edit the profile that says BB Alerts - Email or BB Alerts - Calls
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11-22-2006, 05:09 PM
Logan:
I am lost in following this thread now. YMark and PaulQ are talking about a Separate Profile feature, which I do not have on the BB Alerts version I have. It seems that they are able to assign a different and separate alert to different functions. Is there some new version of the application out there that I do not know about. If so, how do I get it
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11-22-2006, 06:24 PM
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You need to edit the profile that says BB Alerts - Email or BB Alerts - Calls
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Thanks Logan, I have it working now. I'll probably post another review after I play with it some more tonight. So far, I'm impressed.
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11-24-2006, 08:51 PM
So what is the latest version that works with the 8100....1.2 ?
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11-24-2006, 08:56 PM
Yes 1.2 is the latest and works on Pearl.
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11-24-2006, 09:20 PM
I noticed an issue when the Pearl is in "key lock" or "standby" mode. When an alert is activated in the key lock mode, if any key is pressed, the alerts will be deactivated. In the Standby mode, if the red end/power button is pressed, the alerts will be deactivated. A button could be accidentally pressed while in your pocket, preventing alerts from continuing. Is this something you can change in your program to prevent this from happening ? BTW, this is a great program.
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11-24-2006, 09:39 PM
Logan:
I have loaded the new version of the program and the new "Separate Profile" feature is absolutely awesome. I am blown away because it was this capability that I raised to you loast week and you said you would consider it. Low and behold here is the new feature operating full blown. I am super impressed with you as a program developer.
Thank you so much
By the way how are to ever know when upgrades are published. I did not know of this new upgrade until you PM'd me. Is another way to learn about the new upgrades
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11-24-2006, 10:27 PM
I think since you purchased on Handango you could put it on your "watch" list but I have heard this does not work properly... give it a shot I guess. I can also post here if I add any major upgrades. Hopefully no changes for a while as I think it is working pretty good... here is a list of upgrades if anyone is interested:
Color LEDs - allows you to set program controls LED so when you miss a message the LED lights up a unique color (rather than just always red). Also added the silent mode audio to work for people who just want this.
Schedule - allows you to schedule when alerts occur or not
Separate Profiles - setup a separate ringtone profile for each type of alert.
Alerts Priorities - the LED/Profiles work by prioritiy now and the priority order is SMS, Voicemail, Missed Calls, PIN, Email
Voice mail fix for 8703 series - program was not detecting voicemail message properly.
About the alerts cancelling when you hit a key accidently... this is somewhat by design as I can't tell if the keypress was accidental or not. An earlier program of mine (Missed Call Notifier) only cancelled the alert when the program was on screen but this way seems to work better so I don't really want to change it. I would suggest keeping the blackberry in the holster if you are going to put it in your pocket.
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11-24-2006, 10:58 PM
Is there a way for your program to ignore any keypress when in keylock or standby mode ? Or maybe add that option so your program will only accept a keypress to terminate the alerts if it is in not in these modes. Normally when in these modes the user would not want a keypress to affect anything on the phone.
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11-24-2006, 11:06 PM
Taking a quick look I can not determine if the device is locked. I can determine if the device is holstered.
I will take a further look at what is available.
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11-24-2006, 11:48 PM
Logan: A couple of questions before taking the plunge:
a. I have a Pearl running on the latest (.67) OS, is BB Alerts compatible with it?
b. Since I won't have access to a computer for the next few days, can you post the latest OTA for the Pearl (.67 OS)?
Thanks much!
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11-25-2006, 10:31 AM
For Pearl and OTA to be safe you can test the program using the debug version and then run the final version if that work for you
http://74.119.5.86:8080/debug/BlackBerryAlerts.jad
it won't autostart so won't cause a continuous crash loop and it tested OK on T-Mobile 4.2.64. The program has a load screen where you need to click trackwheel and choose "run all at once" If that version works than try:
http://74.119.5.86:8080/BlackBerryAlerts.jad
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11-25-2006, 11:26 AM
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Hey Logan: I love this app!
I noticed one thing, and please forgive me if it was already discussed here, I tried reading/obsorbing the entire thread...
When a blocked number calls, the colored-assigned LED doesn't work; it is always red. Is there a way to assign a LED color to blocked numbers?
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11-25-2006, 01:01 PM
Logan:
I really implore you to post upgrades and changes to the program on this forum. Believe me, you made a major change to the the feature set in response to my concerns and there was absolutely no way of knowing about this except from keeping tabs on this forum.
All other vendors send either emails to their customers or post the upgrades on the forums. Will you please post any upgrades, as this program is the most absolute essential to my mobile use.
Thanks Charlester
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11-25-2006, 01:18 PM
Logan, a quick question. I purchased your app @ hndango.com and got a 5-number key from them but it doesn't work... Is that because I downloaded your OTA version?
(Also, see my comment about blocked numbers/or blocked calls).
Thanks!
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