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Old 04-18-2005, 10:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have not seen any posts of this but the BBTools project is gone. This is the one that had BBToday, BBLight, BBReply, BBWeather, and BBSpell. I see now that BBSpell is now a pay product. I have to say this is very disturbing that this happened. I never seen the author say anything about yanking the project and selling it.

Also the BBSpell spell server he was hosting has also disappeared. I see one can be created with open-source project on windows. Has anyone done this? If so share your thoughts on how easy it was. I am now forced to create one myself.

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Old 04-18-2005, 11:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's his explanation from RimRoad.

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/show...threadid=57375

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Old 04-18-2005, 12:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ok I usually do not read RimRoad forum. I would recommend that everyone get the latest of each software. I know the spelling server can be setup with open-source software and the rest is all stand-alone. All the software was very well advanced and has tons of features.

I think he got bought out ... but that is my theory.
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Legal issues.

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Well itís been fun while itís lasted but I must announce that my free suite of BB products will no longer be available publicly. I canít get into the specifics but letís just say that I donít have the time or money to deal with legal issues.

At this point in time I've withdrawn all download locations for the software so you will not be able to download them anymore. Any external servers that I was providing are no longer available.

It was a fun ride but it now must come to an end. Thanks to everyone for their kind words about my software. I'm glad you got enjoyment out of it....

Later.
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There is no relationship between the BBSpellCheck product that was on SourceForge and our (somedevelopers) bbSpell product. They are entirely different products.
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There is no relationship between the BBSpellCheck product that was on SourceForge and our (somedevelopers) bbSpell product. They are entirely different products.
I assume this means that the legal action came from someone else? (I didn't think it came from you anyway.)

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New thread:

Replacements For BBTools
BBToday,BBWeather,BBSpellCheck,BBReply,BBLight
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But that project is open-source. Which mean the public owns the project. With that said I did not see someone sue each of us so I do not see where anyone (including the author) can be sued. I have NEVER seen such a thing happen.

I think this board should post all of the last version of the program for all to use. Like I said the public owns them so the public should use them.

If anyone needs them I will happy point them to get them.
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But that project is open-source. Which mean the public owns the project. With that said I did not see someone sue each of us so I do not see where anyone (including the author) can be sued. I have NEVER seen such a thing happen.

I think this board should post all of the last version of the program for all to use. Like I said the public owns them so the public should use them.

If anyone needs them I will happy point them to get them.
I need BBReply and BBSpell. It would be great if I could get them.
I did not have a chance when they were available as I was trying the "other BBs".

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Why is the explanation of the "legal issues" such a mystery? For one thing, that was great software, and it would be nice for others to know who the pressure came from and why. Seems like legal action would be public record anyway, wouldn't it?
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But that project is open-source. Which mean the public owns the project. With that said I did not see someone sue each of us so I do not see where anyone (including the author) can be sued. I have NEVER seen such a thing happen.

I think this board should post all of the last version of the program for all to use. Like I said the public owns them so the public should use them.

If anyone needs them I will happy point them to get them.
Since this was all open source, anyone can repost the project as a fork and open it back up for dev. on Source Forge. Once a project is released under GNU, you can't really get rid of it. I'm sure any legal issues could be addressed, if they where to be made public.
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Well, I'm new to the blackberry, but I'm certainly not new to using GPL and other open source software on commercial platforms in commercial environments. I'm surprised and disappointed that there isn't a lot more discussion going on about these apps going away. The 2 main questions in my mind are 1) why? and 2) was it justified?

What are we supposed to do, start developing our own apps with a publicly available SDK, and if we happen to do "whatever" we'll find out? The only things I can imagine are that somebody either felt the author had used some of their code, a patent, or was simply a threat to their margin.

Bottom line for me, is if you have the guts to run somebody out of town, then have the guts to stand up and say why.
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Old 04-19-2005, 09:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You know what I will look into putting the files into another sourceforge project or Yahoo group. They are open-source so there are no legal issues. Does anyone have the source code to the project? I know I did not take it and I think it was never posted. I remember once browsing the CVS and not see it.

Well I have learned my lesson that I will take everything I can find and store it in case someone pull a dirty move like this.

I have most of the files. I found a sourceforge server that did not update and found all the binary files there. I took at least two version of each. Now I check today and that server is empty. I will contact sourceforge and see if they have a backup of the contents of the project but at least we have the latest version of the files.
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I have setup my own spell server and it was so easy. It has instructions to put it on XP machine but it worked fine under W2K Pro. I make one mistake on the URL and when I fixed it, it is as fast as the new bbSpell and server the author had setup.
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where are the instructions?
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The instructions were in the zip files that came with BBSpell.
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I'm surprised and disappointed that there isn't a lot more discussion going on about these apps going away. The 2 main questions in my mind are 1) why? and 2) was it justified?

Bottom line for me, is if you have the guts to run somebody out of town, then have the guts to stand up and say why.
AMEN Brother. There are two commercial products out there that "compete" with Deadsticks offerings, bbspellcheck from Some Developers and PocketDay from Cross River Systems. Both of these products were put out AFTER Deadsticks. One of these companies decided that instead of putting their resources into developing a product that was good enough to compete with existing applications, that they'd take the lazy/slimy way of threatening to sue someone who was doing great work and contributing significantly to the Blackberry community. I am disgusted by this developer, and I plan to boycott the product AND spread the word as much as I can. I am greatly surprised that some newly coined lawyer out there isn't looking at this as a case. Free publicity, serious legal issue, David and Goliath angle. I'm pretty sure this is an un-winnable case for the Slim developer and they would in fact have to drop this when someone pushed back. This case would start with a strong following from the tech sector and would spread beyond because people are getting tired of this BS behavior from companies who feel they don't have to obey the law. Maybe a company the size of Microsoft is outside the reach of the common person, but one of these BS startups is not. I will be writing this up and forwarding it around to as many tech writers as I can to try and drum up interest in this case, and hopefully shed some light on the litigation happy losers (and their product) that decided to step on our rights as consumers. If any of you out there like having the ability to create or load free software, you may want to get involved in this debate because they are trying to take away your rights.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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So, based on no factual information whatsoever, people are all ready to boycott and protest. Hmmmm.
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Is that so suprising? <sigh>
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Umm.. I think my point was that there isn't any factual information.

Being in the IT industry, I'd like to know what the problem was so I can decide wether there is anything to protest or not. The only conclusion I guessed about is that typically legal problems that you "can't get into detail" about have a lot of money or basis behind them. If the legal issues were personal, then I don't need any details. Just tell me it was personal. If the legal issues were related directly to the projects, then I would like to know what to watch out for.

What I am protesting is that a popular sourceforge project gets closed down with "legal issues" as a reason, and there is hardly any talk about it? I bet if gaim vanished because of legal issues, you'd hear some noise.
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