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Old 06-08-2005, 04:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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...But does anyone have a copy of BBSpell 1.0 that they can post. I love BBSpell, but find it objectionable to pay $35/yr for it. I don't mind the ads (in fact I bought one of the pieces of software that was advertised).

Now that they are at v2.0, there is some obtrusive limit to the number of emails that you can spell-check a day. (I think the limit is 3-4), and that is a problem.

(If the guys from SomeDevelopers are reading, sorry about this shameless begging. Your app is great, but the subscription model sucks)

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Old 06-08-2005, 04:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree make it adds or three emails a day not both.
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Old 06-08-2005, 06:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would just try BBCorrector. It works great for me, and its free, no adds, no limits. Its very easy to setup also.
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Does it not require a connection to a spelling server? What spell server are you connecting to?
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I just set up my own server. Really simple. I searched for a public server, didn't find one, so just set up my own.
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If you wouldn't mind posting the step you went about to do so? Would you be interested in others using your spell server?
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I just set up my own server. Really simple. I searched for a public server, didn't find one, so just set up my own.
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I hear you guys, but we have thousands invested in the business, and like any business, need to be paid to survive. We'd like to continue to deliver high quality applications for the BB, and can't do it for free. Unfortunately, the advertising model doesn't make money, and doesn't support the free version.

In 1.0, the main problem we felt existed was that too many business users who could care less about the $35 tolerated the ads because it was easier than going to the site, buying the software doing an expense report, etc. Our conversion rate is way higher with 2.0 and I dont think that it is because of the new features.

If there were a way we could make the app free/cheaper for individual non-business users we would, but frankly feel $35 is a fair price for any business use of the application. The coupon posted on this site is an attempt to help.

You can use 1.0 for a little while, but we will stop supporting it on the server within a month.

bbCorrector might be a good option for you. It requires that you setup, secure, and maintain your own spelling server. While server installation is not too difficult, maintaining a secure server environment requires ongoing attention to service packs and other security issues. Even if you open your firewall up on just port 80, you should know what you are doing or risk having your computer/network hacked.

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I will just not use a spell checker. 35 dollars here 35 dollars there starts to add up after a while so if yours was the only program that I had to buy NO problem. But thats not the case. I have to buy Im programs I have to buy spell checker I have to buy every little program for it and after a while you just have to say no. So thanks for the 3 or 4 emails a day that I was checking for errors. I didnt mind the adds heck I bought several things from advertisers. Will be deleteing the program promptly.
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I'll second that. All of the fees add up after a while. I would love to have the spell checker but I also feel $35 is a bit steep. As you mentioned, just about everything has a cost. I have seen some of the programs as much as $125. No way will I pay for anything with a price tag like that for my BB.
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I guess we are really doing something wrong if both Dawg and Amfetamyne have bought things from our advertisers, but choose not to buy bbSpell

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I love sarcasm.
The reason I choose not to buy a spell checker is because I only use it on very lengthy emails. The other reason is if I am going to send important emails I send from my pc since it includes a free spell checker. The other reason is I usually proof read my stuff. However I didnt buy software from your ads. I bought cases and other accessories.
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I hear you Dawg. Bottom line is that this is our job. We've done the best we know how in order to make some functionality available free while still encouraging business users to pay. If anyone has any suggestions as how to better meet both objectives, we're all ears. BTW, we've investigated BES vs non-BES licensing, but there is not a way for us to know reliably.
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Old 06-09-2005, 10:00 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Greenhut:

I bought your speell (oops) checker and I love it. It is one of the programs I use the most on my Berry. I do lots of emails on the road for my firm, and I love the ability to look intelligent. I'm one of those guys who writes emails the way we used to write letters -- it has to be perfect. bbSpell makes it easy for me. Thanks also for the dictionary and thesarus, it saves me a lot of time and effort. Your product is gold for me. As much money as I make off my Berry and my time, 35 bucks is not a big deal -- at least for me.

You've got a great product. Keep up the good work,

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Yeah it sucks. If you don't want to pay that price: no problem.

Simply install a competitor's product or an open source project.

But please respect the author's work. Nobody is forcing you to use it.

I'm a developer myself. I know how much time it takes you to get something working, to carefully answer each users email. To settle beta test, to fix bugs, etc.

They use client/server architecture heavily. They need to host their server into a serious hosting company. Certainly not like the one at US$ 45 per month. They need to have a stable bandwith to guarantee a smooth dialogue between the client and the server. They also need mirror servers to guarantee the service. i guess US$ 300-400 per month is the minimum for a serious service like this one. If too many "free" applications are connected to the server, then there will be a bottleneck and paid users (i would say legitimate users) will suffer from it.

And after that you have to pay advertisements to reach the audience. Do you how much it costs to be advertised on a distributor web site? around 150 US$ for a week for the smallest place available and for a single device (BB 7100T, 7520, etc.). To get your banner published on a BB dedicated web site? Nothing less than $US 100 for few weeks.

Would you have heard about BBSpell without their marketing campaigns? I guess you wouldn't at least most won't. They put a lot of money on the table to reach you.

And don't forget distributors takes between 25-30% of the retail price.

I don't know if it's the correct price or not. But I'm sure they have carefully chosen their price based on various variables that only them could know.

You don't agree with the retail price? Tell the developer that is too expensive for you but you like his/her product. if this isn't the correct price he will see it : sells will fall. he/she will rethink its strategy accordingly.


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I agree with them selling the product if thats what they choose to do, no issue its a great product. My only issue was the free version was ad based again no problem. I didnt mind the ads at all I surfed them regularly. My issue was limiting it to only 4 emails a day, I am not saying making it unlimited thats not a fair deal either. On a device I get 50 to 60 emails a day on I say maybe 10 to 12 would be more feasable.

Again I loved the product and enjoyed it even with the ads. But like software for the pc user you can get an ad based product with limited features not use, or you can purchase the full product and do away with the ads and limited feature use.
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Dawg:

"I say maybe 10 to 12 would be more feasable."

Except that allowing you and the other freebies 12 email uses a day at no cost would jam up the server for those of us who pay for the product. It's not fair. I say if you agree the product is good, that you actually love it, and that you would use it as much as 12 times a day, pay for it -- like I do.

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But are you getting the ads NO! I was so someone was paying for me to use the program the people advertising there products. If you would have read what I posted before I didn't use it that much. As I am sure most dont use it that many times. Or offer a limited time frame for the free like webmessenger and other products. Look I guinda I am not saying they give there product away so don't make me the enemy here. I am all about free enterprise if they want to charge 10,000 dollars for the license so be it. Limit it to 3 or 4 emails a day hell limit it to none if you dont buy it.

I was trying to help with suggestions I wont say any more. Sorry for bothering
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Dawg,

Maybe you are right but maybe not for this kind of products.

Your goal is to send an information quickly. I guess you don't care having an ads at the footer. The most important thing is to have the information delivered. Just like yahoo and hotmail users don't care about the ads.

His problem was that there are too many people like you using BBspell .

So the business model was broken in some ways. The server was mainly used by free applications.

The goal isn't to have a lots of ads. The goal is to sell enough products to get a break even and later profits. Profits and ads aren't always "synchronized".

he told us it has a higher conversion rate with his new stategy. I guess he is right otherwise he wouldn't do it.

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A couple of observations:

With the coupon code posted on this site, the annual cost of bbSpell is really $25.

If my Cingular offered a spell-check service and wanted to bill me an extra $2 per month to use it -- in addition to all I'm already paying -- I would certainly complain about being nickel-and-dimed. But that's not the case. I paid for bbSpell and I'm convinced I'm getting my money's worth, but that's entirely a personal issue.

I do wish there were an option to run a spell-check automatically on every message I send. That's an option in the version of Lotus Notes I now use and in Outlook. Any possibility?
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We've spent days trying to implement that feature. RIM specifically prevents third parties from gaining access to outbound messages before they are sent. We tried every trick we could think of - as have other BB developers for similar reasons. Sorry - we want it too!

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