Blackberry 9000

[Cooper]

Enjoy


http://i8.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ce/00/1ddd_1.JPG

[NEPatriot4life]

I thought it suppose to be touch on the screen keyboard just like IPHONE Are you sure it is blackberry 9000 series ? I have see other pix 9000 with screen touch keyboard and it look much nicera

I hope this is wrong series number lol but it look cooler anyway

[Cooper]

Well I hate to break it to anyone who is hoping for it....

There is and will be no touch screen for a long time. From the multiple people in multiple departments I know that work there who usually give me little to no information unless I use information I've already obtained, the touch screen is even an internal rumour.

At the place I work (literally no more than a few hundred meters from RIM in Waterloo) I had a guy come in and he was using this device. it is slimmer and the curved corners are the biggest new change. His security badge was completely red around his picture (they're typically RIM blue with the persons picture in the middle... I'm assuming this means high security and possibly has access to certain areas like R&D which would make sense as to why he has this device.... he still technically should not be using it in public as he pretty much would have lost his job if the right people saw him using it )

[CarBob]

Well I hate to break it to anyone who is hoping for it....

There is and will be no touch screen for a long time. From the multiple people in multiple departments I know that work there who usually give me little to no information unless I use information I've already obtained, the touch screen is even an internal rumour.

At the place I work (literally no more than a few hundred meters from RIM in Waterloo) I had a guy come in and he was using this device. it is slimmer and the curved corners are the biggest new change. His security badge was completely red around his picture (they're typically RIM blue with the persons picture in the middle... I'm assuming this means high security and possibly has access to certain areas like R&D which would make sense as to why he has this device.... he still technically should not be using it in public as he pretty much would have lost his job if the right people saw him using it )

This has been confirmed ad the 9xxx series. Currently most overheating issues have been fixed, but the device still runs warm.

3G is being tested on a few devices, and depending on how it's used it will have the posibility of huge speed increases.

As well, RIM is currently working on the ability for users to send HTML e-mail, I'm not sure if this will coencide with the 9xxx release, which is probably within the next 6-8 months if bugs can be fixed fast enough.

Hey Cooper,

WOW. Your info is fantastic! Especially the part on "No touch screen for a long time." How did you manage to get this photo (that is in your first post)?
Good work. Very good work. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

CarBob

[CarBob]

Enjoy


http://i8.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ce/00/1ddd_1.JPG

P.S. to Cooper,

WELCOME to the forum.

- CB

[zkyevolved]

Whoa looks cool! Let's see how it runs :)

[bperkins]

I like it...that is if it is similar in size to the Curve. Wonder why they made the phone, menu, and escape keys that large...looks weird. And it has the 3.5mm headphone jack so it must be the next Curve that BG/Jibi said was coming first before the next devices in the 9000 series.

[ezrunner]

Actually saw this very same image used by someone selling a BB on ebay

http://www.blackberryforums.com/off-topic-lounge/111535-what-bb-chinese-knock-off.html

[simulator]

Is that a touchpad rather than a trackball? That would be a massive improvement.

And that's the same photo as in the ebay listing, so something is up... either Cooper's friend is selling the device, or this or the ebay listing is a fraud.

[rumpole]

I'm guessing the latter. If there's no touchscreen or trackball how do you navigate?
This just seems too convenient. I'm a skeptic.

[ed_nyc]

Look where the img is coming from:
http://i8.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ce/00/1ddd_1.JPG

[akarpo]

Bid on it a couple times. About to push it to $125.

[Cooper]

Yes people this is a device being sold on ebay.

This is truly what the 9000 series look like (I have seen one for about 20 seconds and I do recall it being almost identical to this picture)

The device is real, and the fact that it's located in Texas (Where RIM has an office) only makes it seem more plausable that someone stole a device and is trying to sell it.

The device is dead and marked as an 'unknown' model.

Here you go guys!

BLACKBERRY PDA Camera GSM Cell Phone PARTS LCD - eBay (item 310010262268 end time Dec-31-07 13:57:28 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/BLACKBERRY-PDA-Camera-GSM-Cell-Phone-PARTS-LCD_W0QQitemZ310010262268QQihZ021QQcategoryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

BTW, I am not the seller.

[cheshillsgolf]

Take a look at "BlackBerry" on the top of the device. It appears that the "B" in Berry is backwards. I smell photoshop...

[b00st3d]

i call BS!

[jsconyers]

It seems a little shady to me as well. I would hate so see someone get scammed for $125 + at this point.

[Cooper]

I hadent noticed that, but from the people who have actually been working with the new device telling me this is it. Backwards B seems strange.

If it's a fake, it pretty much represents the actual 9000 series. The heavily curved corners are the biggest noticeable difference.

The Silver plastic is aparently really cheap looking and feeling, so hopefully that changes.

And I havent been given specifics, but the new screen resolution is astounding, super crystal clear I've been told.

[Sphincters]

I'm saying it's a sloppy PhotoChop job, but then again, that's just me.

[mark0341]

Yes people this is a device being sold on ebay.

This is truly what the 9000 series look like (I have seen one for about 20 seconds and I do recall it being almost identical to this picture)

The device is real, and the fact that it's located in Texas (Where RIM has an office) only makes it seem more plausable that someone stole a device and is trying to sell it.

The device is dead and marked as an 'unknown' model.

Here you go guys!



BLACKBERRY PDA Camera GSM Cell Phone PARTS LCD - eBay (item 310010262268 end time Dec-31-07 13:57:28 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/BLACKBERRY-PDA-Camera-GSM-Cell-Phone-PARTS-LCD_W0QQitemZ310010262268QQihZ021QQcategoryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

BTW, I am not the seller.

You only have 5 post. Come On. Something smells funny.(n)

[jheiney]

Wow, the current bid is $255. Someone is going to be getting really lucky or really screwed.

[rumpole]

Hey Coop...just not feeling the love. It's too convenient that you work just several hundred metres from RIM in Waterloo and some guy was using the device and it shows up on Ebay this morning.

[JSanders]

Yea, but he's been around here two and half years.

[YoYoSlap]

it took 2 years for 1st post. thats odd.

[YoYoSlap]

i think i would rather have 4.3 on my 8310 than a proto 9000 series. Thats whats gonna be on it anyway.

[JSanders]

No, it took two years for his 2nd post.

[ABarrera]

that phone is not attractive whatsoever

[koleary19067]

I smell a fish !

[Sith_Apprentice]

yeah the B in blackberry is definately messed up. i would NOT bid on this item, its also over $450. i have shown this auction to several people that are Carrier BU's at RIM as well as some of their directors, and all have given the same reaction. they all laughed

[Cooper]

Well,

I guess I should expect a little flack. I have never bothered posting before as I'd actually forgotten about even having an account here.

I don't typically get too much information from people who work there as they do put their job in jeopardy by revealing any information.

I don't expect anyone to believe me, but I'm just throwing out some information I have been given from what I consider reliable sources.

As far as the photo is concerned. It's not mine, I don't know the person who put it up and the e-bay auction is in Texas, not here in Waterloo.

So I don't know if it's real, but it's at least an interesting thing to look at, take it as you wish :)

I've tried to get the ebayer to send some more detailed photos, but I dont think they're going to even reply.

[mark0341]

ezrunner was first. This is a second thread on the same topic. Why is this thread still open?

[rhwd2003]

looks like they have now posted a back image as well as the under the back cover http://www.comm-central.com/bb.jpg

[junior1790]

that phone is not attractive whatsoever

which is the total opposite of the girl in that picture....

[ezrunner]

that is the most unfinished back of a phone I have ever seen

That phone just doesn't strike me to well. Doesn't look to me to be RIM quality. this may be legit but I have my suspicions

If it is legit I will stick with the 8800 I do not like the looks at all

[adamli9]

It's been delisted from Ebay :-(

[Fireproof]

Anyone save the pics of the back of it? I'm curious to see...

[MrKyoo]

^ What he said.

[ebob9]

The back and insides are pictured over at boygeniusreport:

BlackBerry 9000 surfaces? | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/12/31/blackberry-9000-surfaces/)

Direct to image (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/image/berry9000.jpg)

[starsrblind]

These were on Boy Genius

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t96/starsrblind22/berry9000.jpg

[Cooper]

I thought I had the link... a couple of the websites had posted them as updates.

I'm a little disappointed that websites are stating the image was taken in Waterloo...

I will clarify;

It was being sold by a 3rd party in Texas who probably have links to someone at their RIM office there.

I can say that this is at least a new device to be released, having seen this actual device being used in Waterloo.

[mark0341]

So much for my wishful thinking. That this was a CDMA Curve. Looks like Cooper might be right after all. :(

[snowskier79]

I hope it is real; but it is looking more and more like a fake.

[Sith_Apprentice]

anyone notice the famous RIM evaluation model sticker is not present on the back. Even their eval and R&D models *usually* have the IMEI/PIN listed on the inside of the device. I obviously could be wrong (wouldnt be the first time) but there are alot of holes in this. Unfinished back, missing eval sticker, missing IMEI/PIN tracking sticker on the inside, the backwards B in blackberry.


Also, the SIM card slot doesnt mean this isnt a mockup of a CDMA curve. It is rumored to be a world version similar to the 8830.

[snowskier79]

anyone notice the famous RIM evaluation model sticker is not present on the back. Even their eval and R&D models *usually* have the IMEI/PIN listed on the inside of the device. I obviously could be wrong (wouldnt be the first time) but there are alot of holes in this. Unfinished back, missing eval sticker, missing IMEI/PIN tracking sticker on the inside, the backwards B in blackberry . . . .

After reviewing the pictures I was thinking the same Sith!

[ArgonNJ]

that phone is not attractive whatsoever

Agreed.

[ezrunner]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8800/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

At the least this has given us sme fun in speculation!

This bb is to unfinished I think to have even been a test device. Really the main board is exposed.

[JSanders]

Wirelessly posted (8800: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8310/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Real or fake, thank youi EZ and Cooper for the bird-dogging and posting here--thanks!

[gamingmonkey]

I know im new here i usually just surf around reading things(bet you heard that a million times) but this is a very big thing right now real or fake. its obviously fake to an extent, of that it is not a blackberry of any sort in my opinion. some said the it might be verizon curve but the pearl looked pretty much the same. and also many people have been saying it looks like a hybrid of a q and a centro etc etc. Which is were i thought of my idea, maybe its the new years celebration or something else i dont know. But i started to thinking, not too long ago there was a "leak" from motorola about their new phones and one of them was the ghengis, yes i know bgr said its fake and many others. http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4314/motorolagenghisla9.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motorolagenghisla9.jpg)
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9480/showimagephppe4.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=showimagephppe4.jpg)

the sidekick slide made by moto has a trackbally looking thing which i have circled, and the ghengis fake thing is kinda curvy on the sides and has a very simalar keyboard. Im not saying this thing is the next Q or what. i know its not a blackberry the "B" in "berry" is backwards, zoom in close enough the menu button, the led, send and end all look photoshoped. form your own conclusions i just thought (with alcohol assistance) maybe this has a connection? maybe the original photoshoper wanted to make the ghengis then someone grabbed it and put blackberry on it. anyway sorry for the short novel, thats my 2 cents

[Tritan]

is it possible Sprint is skipping the Curve to jump onto the 9000 series like this?

[ABarrera]

I hope not...it's starting to look like an even uglier version of the moto q

[Klotar]

One thing that I do like about that prototype (or mockup, whatever it is), is that the trackball is replaced with either a rocker or better yet, a touch disc (for lack of a better term). I like the trackball but it does tend to get dirty and clogged up.

[Mark Rejhon]

It does look fairly small -- the MiniUSB connector looks big. You can even calculate the length of the device just by measuring the miniUSB port on the computer screen and scaling the measurement with the known dimensions of the miniUSB connector.

[Soapm]

It does look fairly small -- the MiniUSB connector looks big. You can even calculate the length of the device just by measuring the miniUSB port on the computer screen and scaling the measurement with the known dimensions of the miniUSB connector.

I agree, I am very fond of the thumbwheel and will miss it more than anyone knows. My eyes are not what they were in the past so I usually hold my berry at arms length. The thumbwheel makes it easy to use with one hand especially while driving. I have no idea why RIM changed to a trackball but they obviously ignored all the survey's I filled out.

[Cooper]

One final thing I would like to make clear.....

Anyone who I might personally know at RIM in waterloo (that's quite a few) has never leaked information to me.

The information I have obtained (the fact that the device in the image is the 9000, HTML e-mail and 3G) has been from RIM eployees I do not know.

It's always been a problem at RIM where their employees will give total strangers small bits of information.

I've never personally known a RIM employee to hand out information. And whenever I ask I get the "I can't tell you because I'd get fired" response

Cheers to the guy with the Red badge for giving me information and for using this device in public!

[John Clark]

And this helps those under NDA's how?

[LinkMobile]

Is it just me or is there two types of keyboards on the device. On the left it looks like there is a "new" design while the right side is from the 8800..

[fractured]

is it possible Sprint is skipping the Curve to jump onto the 9000 series like this?
Anything is possible, but that sounds more like wishful thinking.

[ninja007]

Does anyone have any information, if this 9000 model will have these 3 features? or any other Blackberry model?

Thanks...

[JSanders]

Wirelessly posted (8800: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8310/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Does anyone have any information, if this 9000 model will have these 3 features? or any other Blackberry model?

Thanks...

There are a couple other threads in this Rumor Mill section with confirmed 9000 specs.

[TreyS]

Take a look at "BlackBerry" on the top of the device. It appears that the "B" in Berry is backwards. I smell photoshop...

lol, your screen sucks then because it looks fine to me. ;)

[jsntrenkler]

I wish it were real ... Would be cool to have something of this form factor. Looking at the color scheme it has Verizon all over it, hehehehe. However I do think this is a fake.

[BryanHarig]

The leaked pics really look a lot like the q9 global. I saw one of those yesterday and the resemblance is striking. I hope the final BB 9000 design ends up being different.

[Sith_Apprentice]

i dont know if its been mentioned, but the blackberry at the top, the one with the backwards 'b' in berry, is crooked in relation to the speaker.

[ArgonNJ]

Its real, its just not the 9000.

Vodafone Roadmap: BlackBerry 8xxx | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/05/vodafone-roadmap-blackberry-8-x-x-x/)

[Tritan]

Its real, its just not the 9000.

Vodafone Roadmap: BlackBerry 8xxx | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/05/vodafone-roadmap-blackberry-8-x-x-x/)

I was hoping this was the rumored blackberry curve for cdma? Guess not I wonder if that annoucment is coming next week at CES?

[monkeypaw]

According to BG, this is likely a continuation of the 8xxx series, to be released first on Vodaphone. The pic there seems to have a trackball whereas the one on Ebay did not. Seems to have a placeholder or something akin to the IBM/Lenovo touchpoint.

The full front view is a lot better looking than the angle on the Ebay one. Although I don't like that they appear to have carried over the 8800 series keyboard. It's cosmetically better, but I like the Curve's keyboard a little more.

Vodafone Roadmap: BlackBerry 8xxx | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/05/vodafone-roadmap-blackberry-8-x-x-x/)

Said to have a fast chip, 1500mah battery, GPS, and Wifi.

[Sith_Apprentice]

the battery is going to be a very big issue with that. GPS, WIFI, and 3g on a 1500mAh battery?

[dietcoke]

very interesting... looks like a sleeker hybrid between the curve and the 8800. the 8800 is very clunky... Quickly ditched it for my curve.... after wifi, gps and 3g what else is left to look forward to? thought dialing?

[Sith_Apprentice]

many people (myself not included in that) would want a touchscreen.

[monkeypaw]

very interesting... looks like a sleeker hybrid between the curve and the 8800. the 8800 is very clunky... Quickly ditched it for my curve.... after wifi, gps and 3g what else is left to look forward to? thought dialing?

Looks about 8800 size with rounded corners. Also has a camera, so really a full offering. Makes for interesting decisions. If it could get to Tmobile by the time they roll a 3G network, I'd be happy for a long time.

[ArgonNJ]

According to BG, this is likely a continuation of the 8xxx series, to be released first on Vodaphone. The pic there seems to have a trackball whereas the one on Ebay did not. Seems to have a placeholder or something akin to the IBM/Lenovo touchpoint.

The full front view is a lot better looking than the angle on the Ebay one. Although I don't like that they appear to have carried over the 8800 series keyboard. It's cosmetically better, but I like the Curve's keyboard a little more.

Vodafone Roadmap: BlackBerry 8xxx | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/05/vodafone-roadmap-blackberry-8-x-x-x/)

Said to have a fast chip, 1500mah battery, GPS, and Wifi.

I guess my link wasn't good enough.

[phoneking13]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8320/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

very interesting... looks like a sleeker hybrid between the curve and the 8800. the 8800 is very clunky... Quickly ditched it for my curve.... after wifi, gps and 3g what else is left to look forward to? thought dialing?

Looks about 8800 size with rounded corners. Also has a camera, so really a full offering. Makes for interesting decisions. If it could get to Tmobile by the time they roll a 3G network, I'd be happy for a long time.

Agreed. Same here.

[zkyevolved]

Hey well I've got a question about it then. If this 8xxx has HSDPA, which is 3.5G, will it work on ALL standard 3g networks? Because here in Spain, as far as I know, they're 3g, and I haven't heard of anyone say anything about 3.5g, unless it's just a simple update that they made that wasn't worth the publicity.

And what about memory? I didn't see any information about how much memory it's going to have! Is this the 1GB memory BB? That would be cool :) 1GB of onboard memory!

Regardless, I think I might get it! I think I'm going to first see how much it's going to cost ;). hehe.

[tdawg00]

the battery is going to be a very big issue with that. GPS, WIFI, and 3g on a 1500mAh battery?


well you wouldnt using 3g and wifi at the same time.. And gps doesnt use that much power.... Its a receiver most of the time.;-)

[Sith_Apprentice]

yeah but just using 3g the way i use normal data would rip that battery apart lol.

[frankiej]

Its said to have a 480x320 resolution screen can anyone explain exactly what this means? I've always been curious....I know its gonna be brighter and sharper but will there be a big difference when compared to the curve's screen??

[*&))]

many people (myself not included in that) would want a touchscreen.

I agree I wouldn't want a touchscreen blackberry. Most of us have had an touch screen device and hated it. SO why are we trying to go there. My kids have iphones and i would never (and i'm one of the crazy mac fanboy's you read about; that hangs on Job's every world).

But i really think the iphone sucks as a professional device, now as far as carrying it around to talk and show off sure.

[Sith_Apprentice]

ive never really like apple as a company, granted yes, they are inventive in the way they do things, but they are by no means the only ones to do it, or even do it well. The iPhone is just a PDA phone, and compared to many many others its crippled. Vzw gets thrown under the bus for crippling their devices, be it bluetooth, or gps, or whatever, and yet apple is just apple. the whole situation is pretty amusing. I am actually very suprised VZW passed on the iPhone, locking it to verizon would have prevented any sales to other carriers and would have netted them an amazing amount of converts from other carriers. seems like a bad business move IMO. one thing apple does very very well is generate excitement about a product that isnt revolutionary, and most of that excitement they get for free.

[hcheun]

Anyone know usually after an announcement like the one with BG when the turn around to US National carriers would be? (i.e. how long after the rogers or vodafone release would it come to either Tmo or ATT?)

I am itching for this papa bear device, and willing to finally submit to ATT and ditch sprint since I agree with some of you out there, it just takes too long to get a new device with Sprint!

[Sith_Apprentice]

there is no usual turnaround time. its entirely possible ATT/Tmo will release a device at the same time or before. It really just all depends on money.

[Andyn]

Over on PINSTACK, they thought it was a fraud and somehow confirmed it was a bb

[Sith_Apprentice]

it was confirmed for Vodafone as another 8xxx series device

[PPCMD]

To me a touchscreen just gets in the way and slows you down at least when it comes to BB's. Why does it matter when US carriers offer this with al of the radio options available you can get it unlocked and not worry about contract extensions.

[laa82]

[QUOTE=simulator;790501]Is that a touchpad rather than a trackball? That would be a massive improvement.

X2 i didnt like the trackball at all, went back to the 8700 cuz of it.

[Sith_Apprentice]

the more you use the pearl the faster you will get with it. it does have advantages over the trackwheel.

[ArgonNJ]

the more you use the pearl the faster you will get with it. it does have advantages over the trackwheel.

I agree. The ball blows away the wheel.

[newtonjack]

Yea I know, I was very good at using the trackball on Centipede arcade game.

[PPCMD]

The BGR site no longer has the pics or any news from 1/5/08 relating to the Vodafone Roadmap and specifically the phone called the 8920 on their site. Rather odd or did they hit something way to close to home.

[newtonjack]

The BGR site no longer has the pics or any news from 1/5/08 relating to the Vodafone Roadmap and specifically the phone called the 8920 on their site. Rather odd or did they hit something way to close to home.

Its still up on Berryshack, 1/3 way down on homepage.

BerryShack (http://berryshack.com/index.php)

[Cooper]

I've been told that BG will post anything, and of course being a "new poster" I'm not expecting anyone to take my information as legit either.

I can pretty much guarantee that what I posted is a 9000 series. Whoever at vodaphone released those slides with their entire years product lineup is going to have fun looking for a new job.

Aparently they're now completely revamping their lineup due to this leak though.

This phone is a 9000 series, and I will accept apologies when it comes out :razz:

If I'm wrong, then RIM employees are pretty good at making sure misinformation goes around. Seeing as RIM doesnt directly comment, most employees don't care if they give out info that is already speculated. The big thing is that they are not to give out specific hardware/software specs. most employees only know devices by code name anyways.

[zkyevolved]

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

Ok then I'm confused! I've seen a bunch of info on this new bb that's coming out for vodafone in may! Is it going to be 3g or not? I saw it has hspda, but that's 3.5g, and from what I've read, the bb is edge + 3.5g! Can anyone clarify thay doubt? I'm really waiting for faster internet and file transfers here where there is no edge access. So yeah. Bb 8xxx = 3g or not? Thanks :)

[Sith_Apprentice]

HSDPA is 3g, Edge is technically 2.5g (same with EVDO. Though VZW and Sprint will call it 3g.) Technically, according to RIM, 3g allows simultaneous voice and data functionality, so any WI-FI berry is "3g". The new 8xxx series will be 3g with Wi-FI and GPS supposedly. Again though, its just a rumor at this point.

[Stern]

I've been told that BG will post anything, and of course being a "new poster" I'm not expecting anyone to take my information as legit either.

I can pretty much guarantee that what I posted is a 9000 series. Whoever at vodaphone released those slides with their entire years product lineup is going to have fun looking for a new job.

Those Vodafone PPT's are not exactly the most confidential of documents, they are often sent out to their indirect channel and any information past the next quarter it was produced in is nearly always inaccurate handsets are dropped new ones are added and release dates are changed, the specs are often not even finalised, the 8110 page had a picture of the 8100 and that's due to drop on my desk on the 28th of this month!

Bhupinder Pannesar probably won't be sacked Vodafone EBU probably use the same image internally for a lot of documentation so the leak could have come from one of dozens of Vodafone staff or any one of the indirect partners

Aparently they're now completely revamping their lineup due to this leak though.

see above, they revamp it all the time.

This phone is a 9000 series, and I will accept apologies when it comes out :razz:

If I'm wrong, then RIM employees are pretty good at making sure misinformation goes around. Seeing as RIM doesnt directly comment, most employees don't care if they give out info that is already speculated. The big thing is that they are not to give out specific hardware/software specs. most employees only know devices by code name anyways.

Again the codenames are not entirely secret, usually used to refer to a project before the commercial model name is decided. Ask your RIM buddy what the "Indy" is. Also from the "eyes only" presentation we got from RIM on the next "slick, consumer i-phone like device" has a much larger screen than the 9000/8920/8xxx pictures we have been seeing.

[WonkotheSane]

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

Ok then I'm confused! I've seen a bunch of info on this new bb that's coming out for vodafone in may! Is it going to be 3g or not? I saw it has hspda, but that's 3.5g, and from what I've read, the bb is edge + 3.5g! Can anyone clarify thay doubt? I'm really waiting for faster internet and file transfers here where there is no edge access. So yeah. Bb 8xxx = 3g or not? Thanks :)

HSDPA is a layer on UMTS (GSM 3G). It's not possible to have HSDPA without a UMTS radio. I guess you could block non-HSDPA connections, but I can't see why anyone would do that. So the answer is: if it has HSDPA it has 3G.

[jibi]

I've been told that BG will post anything, and of course being a "new poster" I'm not expecting anyone to take my information as legit either.To be fair, this looked pretty darn authentic to post. With that said, it was an internal roadmap document to Vodafone, so their information was likely not finalized, hence the 'xxx' part of the device series. I will agree that I think this is a 9000 series device, but there is a chance that it is an 8000 series device. I do not think this is the 8920 or the 8500 or whatever else these crazies have digged up from registered domain names, as RIM owns the entire blocks of the 8000 increments. The specs I've seen on the 9000, dated as of yesterday, did not indicate that it was equipped with UMTS capabilities. Who knows, though.

[zkyevolved]

Thanks for the clear up guys! Gotta love forums :).

[Willie115]

I don't think it's the 9000 series, but something probably in the 8000 series. I have to admit it does look sleek and stylish, just shows more of RIM migrating towards the consumer side and not the business side. They will always have their business features, but hey who says business has to be boring and dull... if this is what the new Berries are like, I like the direction that RIM is going at... as for the stories from Cooper, sorry I just don't think they're true, but thanks for posting anyways, stirred up a nice conversation and some thought into what the 9000 series might be and what that mysterious phone might be.

[jibi]

To be fair, Cooper's store is one block (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1376552382707409342,43.476675,-80.541220&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=170+University+Ave+W+Unit+19,+Waterloo&daddr=180+Richmond+Rd,+Waterloo,+ON,+Canada&mra=pi&mrcr=0&sll=43.476675,-80.54122&sspn=0.005559,0.009978&ie=UTF8&z=16&om=1) from RIM's Waterloo campus, so I'm pretty sure there's some - if not complete - truth in his postings. I've heard many, many stories that come from employees venturing out around the RIM campus and UW campus and the surrounding areas. I've seen pictures of devices months and months before they were launched or leaked by any carrier. It seems that most RIM employees in charge of various projects, such as BES or devices, would like to point fingers at carriers and large companies as the source for these NDA-protected leaks and make bold claims that people in Waterloo are fired for sourcing leaks or taking test devices out of the office (thus they are scared to do so and definitely not the source), but there's a lot of truth behind what Cooper says (else we wouldn't continue to hear stories about new device sightings, etc in and around Waterloo). Heck, they say that Mike Lazaridis gets prototype happy in Waterloo when visiting executives visit Waterloo and empties the treasure chest of R&D devices (per RIM employees not actual corporate executives who have visited).

[mush10]

Truthfully, I could care less what they call it. I just really hope it has HSDPA, which Jibi has cast into doubt from the specs he has seen.

[agav]

dont know if anyone posted this link yet, but this is the real 9000....

BlackBerry 9000 specs revealed, our early Christmas present to you | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/11/30/blackberry-9000-specs-revealed-our-early-christmas-present-to-you/)

[John Clark]

That is a photoshopped 8300. That's not any device.

[Jagga]

What would really be sweet is the ability to have a user call into the helpdesk on the BB phone and be able to walk her/him through various troubleshooting steps (purging emails, reconcile now, resend service books, accepting calendar appointments & similar issues) without the need to powercycle the unit. Furthermore even be able to see the progress of the Wireless E.A.

PS I'd LOVE for the BES to be able to take a screenshot wirelessly of the handset (similar to it capturing information like battery strength, installed apps) and display it to the admin - just in case a user cannot fully describe what is happening or some understanding/interpretation barrier (which is VERY VERY rare).

[PPCMD]

It still makes me wonder why BGR site has removed all of the information, sure other sites have it listed (copies from BGR or other sources) but the links are dead. The name or product family are of little concern to me, what I do care about is the possibility of Tri-band 3G+, Quad band GSM/Edge, GPS, WiFi, better screen and the camera can go either way. But the package looks nice and in the world of super secret project mfg's even RIM needs to step up the game because regardless of what we feel about the apple phone it has market share and will continue to grow. RIM needs to keep its position in the lead.

[NCBuckeye]

It still makes me wonder why BGR site has removed all of the information, sure other sites have it listed (copies from BGR or other sources) but the links are dead. The name or product family are of little concern to me, what I do care about is the possibility of Tri-band 3G+, Quad band GSM/Edge, GPS, WiFi, better screen and the camera can go either way. But the package looks nice and in the world of super secret project mfg's even RIM needs to step up the game because regardless of what we feel about the apple phone it has market share and will continue to grow. RIM needs to keep its position in the lead.

BGR's isn't dead, a few posts up have his link.

[vandal]

i wonder if they'll take off the mandatory *click* sound for the camera, hahahah

[John Clark]

doubtful...

[jibi]

It still makes me wonder why BGR site has removed all of the informationThe removal of the post had nothing to do with false information contained within it.

[carrieb1]

I really like this blackberry.

I personally dont like the black and red it almost looks like a verizon creation. Although, i like it alot alot. I will be buying it when its released.

[mike_187]

I really like this blackberry.

I personally dont like the black and red it almost looks like a verizon creation. Although, i like it alot alot. I will be buying it when its released.

Vodafone owns Verizon so it could be part of it

[ndub33]

Possibly-although I think Verizon makes it's phone choices pretty independant of Vodafone for the most part. Keep in mind tht Voda runs a GSM network while Verizon is on CDMA. They would need both versions of the 9000. Not insurmountable, but not a slam dunk either.

[PPCMD]

The removal of the post had nothing to do with false information contained within it.

I wasn't saying BGR posted false information to begin with. My comment was more to the point was the information too close to home for RIM to not request it be removed.

[PPCMD]

Verizon would get another CDMA/GSM Hybrid like the 8830 not a quad GSM phone.

[Sith_Apprentice]

Vodafone owns Verizon so it could be part of it

Vodafone doesnt own verizon, they have less than a 40% stake in the company, which Verizon is in the process of buying back. (last fiscal report that i saw)

[jibi]

Verizon owns 55% of Verizon Wireless. Vodafone owns the other 45% share. Verizon wants the Vodafone share, but Vodafone doesn't plan to give it up. Their joint effort towards LTE more than solidifies their partnership for the near-distant future. Keep in mind that it was less than 3 years ago that Vodafone was looking into buying a majority stake in the company and a bit more than a year ago that Verizon was looking at buying out Vodafone's stake in their love-child. The partnership won't be heading South any time soon.

[Sith_Apprentice]

is it 45%. hmm thought it was lower than that. anyway thanks for the update