Blackberry 9000 and OS 5.0 info on BGR

[John Clark]

BlackBerry 8xxx = BlackBerry 9000? | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/19/blackberry-8xxx-blackberry-9000/)

[JSanders]

oh my head is spinning now, with all the possibilities.

[ezrunner]

spinning?

shoot mine has spun off and is rolling on the ground!!!:shock:

[paulbblc]

Interesting news. Curious to see what all comes out of this.

[ndub33]

Let the speculation and rumor mongering begin! Actually, this is pretty exciting stuff-a shame about the retirement of the 8700 series though. I know it is definately time, but I also know a lot of folks who have these because they have been so darn reliable.

[juwaack68]

If it doesn't come with an integrated TiVO remote, I don't want it. ;-)

[hdawg]

I've had TiVo support since my 7250 ... just got the 8320 to make me toast

[Sith_Apprentice]

not really much on 5.0 :( wish we had more to speculate about lol

[forevergreen]

I LOVE my 8700 and i'm very happy with verizon. I think I'd be happy with my 8703 for a couple more years if not for the fact that att got the curve how long ago? and now there's an 8xxx or 9000, whatever it is, that may be out and available for gsm shortly after I get my curve, assuming that's even in the cards. My 8703 is unbelievably reliable and practically bulletproof. I just hate knowing I'd have the latest and greatest (granted, maybe a few more issues) if i were on another network.

Did any early adopters of the 8700 on cingular have many issues vs those of us who waited for vzw to get it?

arrghhhhh


I'll only be a month into my vzw curve when i start trolling the boards here and drooling over the 9000. Unfortunately, leaving vzw is out of the question.

[wayneholbrook]

I wonder what carrier the 9000 is going to start with?

[pjh]

BlackBerry 8xxx = BlackBerry 9000? | The Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/19/blackberry-8xxx-blackberry-9000/)

Should be a rule against pure rumour mongoring and photo shopped pics. Love how it says "spy pics"(n)

[*&))]

I wonder what carrier the 9000 is going to start with?


Well they were talking UMTS and HSDPA support thats a recipe for AT&T and Tmobile

[b00st3d]

finallyyyy a umts bb! now maybe the slingplayer development on a bb will be quicker.

[hotburnttoast]

I just want 4.3 OS on my 8320 so I can use a 8gb micro sd card. Anyday when this will see the light of day ;-)

[Maximus_Prime]

before thinking of OS 5.0 I am more concern about when is my os4.3 will be start rolling out to existing user.:-(

[zkyevolved]

I'm just so excited about a 3g blackberry! I'm going to LOOOOVEEE that! :D

[h3LO]

I agree about the 8700 series, they are in my mind one of the best handsets ever made...I still have my 8700G, and I use it all the time...I actually have been using for the last week. Don't get me wrong, my 8320 is a fine piece of technology, but the 8700G is such a nice handset.

[mush10]

Well they were talking UMTS and HSDPA support thats a recipe for AT&T and Tmobile

I think the specs that had been released a few weeks ago, stated UMTS 850 ,1900, 2100. That would mean TMO will miss the boat on the 3G side with this device.

[John Clark]

Why would that mean TMo will miss the boat? TMo uses 1900

[phrider]

Any word on whether or not this 9000 might include WiFi/UMA in its feature list? How about GPS?

And when is the "Wireless Enterprise Symposium 2008"?

I'm holding onto my old 8700g until a UMTS/UMA Blackberry comes out (or the tape holding the 8700g togehter fails)....

[JBaughb]

Why would that mean TMo will miss the boat? TMo uses 1900

I think he meant for UMTS/HSDPA. I belive tmo is going to be UMTS 1700Mhz

Someone correct me if Im wrong.

[John Clark]

TMo UMTS is going to be 1700/2100. 3G sends on one and receives on the other but it will probably be referred to as just 2100. Most likely the 9000 will work with TMo's UMTS.

[RobM]

Yeah well I'm still waiting for OS 4.3 for my 8800 so I am not getting to excited just yet about anything!

[BryanHarig]

TMo UMTS is going to be 1700/2100. 3G sends on one and receives on the other but it will probably be referred to as just 2100. Most likely the 9000 will work with TMo's UMTS.

I also think there will be a 9000 series BB that works on T-Mobile eventually. However I think AT&T will probably spend the money to get an exclusivity period first. And I doubt we will see a true "all band" 3g version. Unfortunately there will probably still be a version for AT&T 3g, a version for T-Mobile 3g, and a version for Euro 3g.

[JBaughb]

However I think AT&T will probably spend the money to get an exclusivity period first.

Im not so sure about this. They spent/are spending a lot to get the iphone exclusivity. I wonder if they would do the same for this BB so soon. It would be worth it to T-Mobile to get the rights to the hot new phone of '08.

That said, I still have a year left on my at&t contract so I still hope they get it. Their 3g is a lot more expansive and I dont want to have to buy an unlocked one just to use it.

[jibi]

AT&T will get an exclusive period on one of the 3G BlackBerry devices - whether it's the 9000 or another one to be released after it, we will have to see. I believe it's the 9000, from what I've heard though.

Also, UMTS 2100 will not necessarily be compatible between T-Mobile and AT&T and Europe. I believe their frequencies, while the 2100mhz spectrum covers all of them, vary from one range to the other. It has been said in the past that they will not be compatible without a radio that accounts for all of the ranges within the 2100mhz spectrum.

[BryanHarig]

Eure 2100 is definately different from AWS 2100.

A true 3g world phone would need:

850 and 1900 (current AT&T bands, canada)
1700 and 2100 (AWS T-Mobile and AT&T)
2100 Euro and Asia

and that doesnt even include Korea or china. (I believe they both have oddball 3g networks).

[wayneholbrook]

any time frame for this 9000 series? I have heard Q2, does that sound accurate?

[zkyevolved]

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

That's what they said, but hey, we've heard a lot about os 4.3 coming out around new years, and we still haven't seen it. But vodafone said that they would be releasing it in May! Count on me getting it! If its 3g of course :). That's a really big plus for me! Not to mention being able to text and talk and surf all at the same time :) w00t for 3G hehe

[Jagga]

not really much on 5.0 :( wish we had more to speculate about lol

Yup, a slight upgrade (I think slight is spelt wrong here, no spell check).

* Remote Email lookup (even if deleted off the HH)
* Free/Busy Remote Calendar Lookup; very nice.
* Document Downloading and Editing - As a result of the integration of the 'Documents To Go(R) by DataViz(R)' software with the BlackBerry platform, users will be able to edit Microsoft(R) Office Word, PowerPoint(R) and Excel(R) files(2) directly on their BlackBerry smartphone. I'm not sure if THIS is BES implemented as a push installation or with newer OS 4.3 HH's.
* - Increased Control over GPS - Administrators will have the ability to control which applications access GPS functionality on BlackBerry smartphones.

Et cetera, Et cetera.

[CarlGalgano]

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

That's what they said, but hey, we've heard a lot about os 4.3 coming out around new years, and we still haven't seen it. But vodafone said that they would be releasing it in May! Count on me getting it! If its 3g of course :). That's a really big plus for me! Not to mention being able to text and talk and surf all at the same time :) w00t for 3G hehe

You can already do that with a wifi enabled BB. If you are connected via Wifi and on the phone, you can surf and use BB messenger. You can send and receive SMS (at least on GSM) while on the phone, since SMS is not carried over the normal data channel.

But I do agree that a 3G enabled BB will be very nice to have, but I am not willing to give up wifi in place of 3G. I want them both or for me Wifi > 3G.

[John Clark]

I've never found that feature useful. I do get my emails while I'm talking on the phone but it's hard to talk and read at the same time so it's not a real useful feature but maybe on rare occasion.

[ruechel]

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

That's what they said, but hey, we've heard a lot about os 4.3 coming out around new years, and we still haven't seen it. But vodafone said that they would be releasing it in May! Count on me getting it! If its 3g of course :). That's a really big plus for me! Not to mention being able to text and talk and surf all at the same time :) w00t for 3G hehe

yeah, great. that's what we need: a device that renders any direct human contact superflous. TT&S is the wave of the future.

[ruechel]

i just want to marry my BB.

[jibi]

any time frame for this 9000 series? I have heard Q2, does that sound accurate?My speculation - May announcement (week of WES; similar to Curve in 2007), June launch (Vodafone, AT&T, Rogers).

[hotburnttoast]

Jibi,

Any idea when we can expect os 4.3 for the 8300 series :oops:

[zkyevolved]

You can already do that with a wifi enabled BB. If you are connected via Wifi and on the phone, you can surf and use BB messenger. You can send and receive SMS (at least on GSM) while on the phone, since SMS is not carried over the normal data channel.

But I do agree that a 3G enabled BB will be very nice to have, but I am not willing to give up wifi in place of 3G. I want them both or for me Wifi > 3G.

I'm never in a place for more than a few minutes. Wifi is useless to me! I need constant stable connections, via GPRS for example. That's why 3g is so appealing to me!

[zkyevolved]

yeah, great. that's what we need: a device that renders any direct human contact superflous. TT&S is the wave of the future.

Hey even with my other 3G phones, that was a very nice thing to have. Be able to call and text and such all at the same time. Honestly there are some other 3g smart phones out there that I've tried, but since I tried BB about 9 months ago, I've never gone back to any other phone :) Except for ones I keep at home. I do have some phones that use bluetooth headsets better than my BB. But regardless!!! I LOVE BB and a 3G BB is exactly what would fit nicely into my life right now :)

[NCBuckeye]

You are able to call and text on the curve.

[ptukhar]

Hey even with my other 3G phones, that was a very nice thing to have. Be able to call and text and such all at the same time. Honestly there are some other 3g smart phones out there that I've tried, but since I tried BB about 9 months ago, I've never gone back to any other phone :) Except for ones I keep at home. I do have some phones that use bluetooth headsets better than my BB. But regardless!!! I LOVE BB and a 3G BB is exactly what would fit nicely into my life right now :)

I think you mean Send/Recieve Email while on a call. Most Non-3g devices can sms/text and be on a call at the same time.

[jibi]

Jibi,

Any idea when we can expect os 4.3 for the 8300 series :oops:http://www.blackberryforums.com/rumor-mill/114186-upcoming-os-releases.html

[zkyevolved]

I think you mean Send/Recieve Email while on a call. Most Non-3g devices can sms/text and be on a call at the same time.

I don't have EDGE, we went from 2G to 3g here in Spain. So I can't use GPRS while talking on the phone. It's a buzz killer.

[jibi]

EDGE was just an enhancement over GPRS. It doesn't allow that, either. UMTS does, though. But think of that as a completely separate technology that aligns with GSM evolution but completely different hardware. You can receive TEXT/SMS messages while on a phone call, but you cannot read MMS content (can receive) or emails on a BlackBerry (MMS is facilitated through data for the content).

[jewberry]

EDGE was just an enhancement over GPRS. It doesn't allow that, either. UMTS does, though. But think of that as a completely separate technology that aligns with GSM evolution but completely different hardware. You can receive TEXT/SMS messages while on a phone call, but you cannot read MMS content (can receive) or emails on a BlackBerry (MMS is facilitated through data for the content).

I heard Rogers is going to get this device first. Finally some props to the hometown crowd!

[takeshi]

Did any early adopters of the 8700 on cingular have many issues vs those of us who waited for vzw to get it?

Not really. The biggest issue that I recall was dust under the lens on some 8700c's but that seems to be more of a matter of how the individual carries/cares for the BB given that we've seen this on other models as well.

Im not so sure about this. They spent/are spending a lot to get the iphone exclusivity. I wonder if they would do the same for this BB so soon. It would be worth it to T-Mobile to get the rights to the hot new phone of '08.
TMO is really going to need to get on the ball with 3G deployment to make that happen. I don't see at&t giving up on BB exclusives just because of the iPhone either.

[Jagga]

EDGE was just an enhancement over GPRS. It doesn't allow that, either. UMTS does, though. But think of that as a completely separate technology that aligns with GSM evolution but completely different hardware. You can receive TEXT/SMS messages while on a phone call, but you cannot read MMS content (can receive) or emails on a BlackBerry (MMS is facilitated through data for the content).

I think you got this bit slightly backwards. You can READ any MMS that is already downloaded to your device while on a GSM phone call (regardless of the top of device you have). But you cannot receive a NEW MMS on a current call. This is why MMS has a maximum network pending time (pend to send to device) of 72hrs. ;) This is for GSM/GPRS/EDGE.

However, apparently many of Nokia's high end devices claim a certain Class 32 EDGE with ability to be able to do voice and data on EDGE simultaneously (N95, N82, etc); I havent' seen anyone prove this or tested this myself though.

[RobM]

I just want 4.3 OS on my 8320 so I can use a 8gb micro sd card. Anyday when this will see the light of day ;-)

amen brother