T-Mobile / 9000

[jpfchicago]

Does anyone know when T-Mobile will be releasing the BB 9000?

[Sith_Apprentice]

wont be any point to it before they roll out their 3G network. But there isnt any release date for the device at all for anyone yet, or even if it is going to be released.

[Black Bart]

I have heard that tmobile will be the first out with the 9000 model. 2nd Q 2008. They have been quitely preparing for this during the past year.

[Dinan3]

9000 series will be awsome if t-mobile gets it. but, it'll be like buying a concept sports car with a busted cylinder....for now.

[jeremyckitching]

I hope T-Mobile does get it first. I am more interested in the faster processor and large amount of internal memory than the 3G capabilities.

[jibi]

I have heard that tmobile will be the first out with the 9000 model. 2nd Q 2008. They have been quitely preparing for this during the past year.From what I've heard, you are about 3-6 months ahead of schedule. It's been 3.5 years since T-Mobile has launched a corporate BlackBerry prior to AT&T. I don't see trend changing with the BlackBerry 9000.

[jeremyckitching]

From what I've heard, you are about 3-6 months ahead of schedule.

So are you saying that T-Mobile will have it at least this year??? If so I will heart them forever! :smile:

[rohardi]

I work for AT&T, I can tell you that T-mobile will not be getting the 9000 BB first....

[crisambo]

I work for AT&T, I can tell you that T-mobile will not be getting the 9000 BB first....

What does working for AT&T have to do with that...? Are you saying that you know for a fact that AT&T has got the first dibs in the bag?

[NCBuckeye]

What does working for AT&T have to do with that...? Are you saying that you know for a fact that AT&T has got the first dibs in the bag?

That's how I read it.

[PhillyGuy]

Isn't the 9xxx still a rumor? RIM hasn't even announced it yet, have they?

[Sith_Apprentice]

Isn't the 9xxx still a rumor? RIM hasn't even announced it yet, have they?

That is correct. Nothing from carriers or RIM

[blakeatl]

Excitement in the upcoming months and I'm one of em.

[garys11]

I heard that RIM is now taking pre-orders from their execs. I do not know if this is a rumor or fact.

[rambo47]

No way is T-Mobile getting the first 3G Blackberry. They don't even have a 3G network yet! Sure, they PLAN to have one, they WANT to have one, they even bought bandwidth on the spectrum to create one. But I'm still using EDGE as my "high speed T-Mobile connection" and dreaming about a true high speed network. AT&T will obviously be the company to debut the 9000 series Blackberry, no matter how much I whine and complain.

[Black Bart]

tmobile has 3G built and ready to go in many cities. ATT cant be the first to get the 9000. They were the first with everything else. Its looks bad for tmobile if that happens. They may have to assert legal rights.

[Sith_Apprentice]

tmobile has 3G built and ready to go in many cities. ATT cant be the first to get the 9000. They were the first with everything else. Its looks bad for tmobile if that happens. They may have to assert legal rights.

legal rights to? its all about money. AT&T throws the money towards RIM and they get the device first, thats about it. I wouldnt be suprised if Tmobile didnt launch the 9000 and just waited to get the first nod on whatevers next. They are launching the 8820 on the 5th of March, and with the 3G network "supposedly" launching sometime this summer, they are going to want to focus on that. Launching the 9000 with spotty 3g coverage (at best) would be a horrible disaster for them.

[takeshi]

ATT cant be the first to get the 9000. They were the first with everything else.
That's brilliant reasoning. Money talks in the marketplace. It's not about taking turns... Look at TMO's track record on BB exclusives and you'll see that they go for the consumer models.

[jibi]

Correct. It's been 3.5 years since T-Mobile has picked up a launch device for a business BlackBerry. This dates back to the launch of the BlackBerry 7290, the second quad-band GSM device released by RIM and launched by Cingular in September 2004. The first quad-band GSM device was the BlackBerry 7100t, which was also the first consumer device released by RIM and marked the split of where T-Mobile marked their turf for BlackBerry devices going forward. Prior to the BlackBerry 7100t, there were very few devices that were shared on both T-Mobile and Cingular or AT&T Wireless due to the frequencies in the dual- and tri-band GSM devices. T-Mobile launched the first color device, the BlackBerry 7230, and two days later, AT&T launched the BlackBerry 7210. A couple months later, Cingular launched the BlackBerry 7280. In fact, the last time the two companies had the opportunity to share a pre-quad-band launch device was the BlackBerry 5810, in which both companies, then under the names AT&T Wireless and VoiceStream, delivered the revolutionary device to market in the same general time frame. Back then, the demand for a BlackBerry was little to none (most of us had not even heard of a BlackBerry by that point). RIM was still selling their benefits to carriers and the term 'exclusive' was nowhere in their vocabulary.

But yes, this device is set to be the successor to the 8700 and 8800 device families. Given that AT&T actually has the largest GSM-derived 3G market share and a lot more customers and likely a lot more demand for a 3G device, the chances of them not getting it first are slim to none. It's not always money that's the sure-shot for winning the exclusive around a major launch device, but rather where it makes more sense to ensure the success of the device and which carrier will guarantee the most sales. In these scenarios, T-Mobile is a definitive runner-up.

[jeremyckitching]

Oh well...

*cries softly into his pillow*

[SheepDog]

TMO was Voicestream? I didnt know that! I learn something new every day here!

[Sith_Apprentice]

TMO was Voicestream? I didnt know that! I learn something new every day here!

And Voicestream was Sprint Spectrum. (Sprint first launched GSM before selling off the network and then launching CDMA)

[andrews240]

And Voicestream was Sprint Spectrum. (Sprint first launched GSM before selling off the network and then launching CDMA)

Now that I didn't know. I've been a T-Mobile customer longer than I thought. I went straight from my Sprint Spectrum Ericsson to Voicestream. I feel old :-(

[[IFC]Area51]

TMO was Voicestream? I didnt know that! I learn something new every day here!
Yes and correct me if am wrong. Omni point was the name before VoiceStream.

[dankarlinski]

Wirelessly posted (8320 Curve: BlackBerry8800/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

I got a gut feeling tmo will roll out 3G on the same day as the 9000. I got a feeling that tmo is waiting for the 9000 to throw out HSDPA

[Black Bart]

Wirelessly posted (8320 Curve: BlackBerry8800/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

I got a gut feeling tmo will roll out 3G on the same day as the 9000. I got a feeling that tmo is waiting for the 9000 to throw out HSDPA

Agreed, this is the way it was explained to me.

[takeshi]

TMO was Voicestream? I didnt know that! I learn something new every day here!
Heh -- look at the TCP settings for TMO. ;-)
What are the TCP and APN settings? - BlackBerryFAQ.com (http://www.blackberryfaq.com/index.php/What_are_the_TCP_and_APN_settings%3F)

[jibi]

Area51;851768']Yes and correct me if am wrong. Omni point was the name before VoiceStream.Depends on the merger. VoiceStream bought OmniPoint and Aerial. The new VoiceStream and PowerTel were later bought by DTE and became T-Mobile.

[demonte]

when do you think the 9000 will be available for sprint?

[jibi]

Never? :) It was rumored in the Rumor Mill forum that Sprint will have a couple devices out before the end of the year. Not sure on device models.

[demonte]

well I have t mobile too, but man I just hope we can get more info on when the release date will be for any new bb device

[antcamac]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/121)

Excuse me but I dont know

[jibi]

Wirelessly posted (8320 Curve: BlackBerry8800/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

I got a gut feeling tmo will roll out 3G on the same day as the 9000. I got a feeling that tmo is waiting for the 9000 to throw out HSDPAThat would be the first time I've ever heard of a technology waiting on a device. Keep in mind that T-Mobile has already launched a few 3G devices that will access HSDPA on their network when it's launched. They did the same thing for UMA long before the BlackBerry 8320 was launched. The next couple BlackBerry devices T-Mobile launches won't be the 9000, I do know that... and it's not like them to launch 3 similar devices under the same brand name within 3 months of one another.

[untjoker]

No way is T-Mobile getting the first 3G Blackberry. They don't even have a 3G network yet! Sure, they PLAN to have one, they WANT to have one, they even bought bandwidth on the spectrum to create one. But I'm still using EDGE as my "high speed T-Mobile connection" and dreaming about a true high speed network. AT&T will obviously be the company to debut the 9000 series Blackberry, no matter how much I whine and complain.

I wouldn't be so sure.....Vodafone is probably the one who will debut it first.....AT&T aint got nothing on vodafone...

[cellguy]

TMO was Voicestream? I didnt know that! I learn something new every day here!

And Aerial before that!

[jpfchicago]

I heard today that the entire t-mobile system will be 100% 3G by year end. The same guy also told me that the bb9000 will be out sooner than anyone thinks.

[wayneholbrook]

I heard today that the entire t-mobile system will be 100% 3G by year end. The same guy also told me that the bb9000 will be out sooner than anyone thinks.

Sonner can mean anytime during the year, did he give you a time frame?

[jibi]

I wouldn't be so sure.....Vodafone is probably the one who will debut it first.....AT&T aint got nothing on vodafone...When speaking about American carriers, Vodafone typically doesn't get brought up in the discussion. Not sure why, but something tells me it has to do with the Atlantic Ocean... I could be wrong, though.

[caladan1810]

People seem to think the world revolves around the United States. There are other carriers in the World and Other countries too. I would not be at all surprised to see Vodafone [International] pick this up first. Especially within Australia as this would majorly tick off Telstra and slighty annoy Optus.

[PDM]

People seem to think the world revolves around the United States. There are other carriers in the World and Other countries too. [...]

Ahhh, you noticed too... ;)

[WFLDEng611]

I was just in my VZW store today and the sales guy told me that they are releasing the 9000 and the Curve in June. For whatever that's worth.

[Arcangel]

^^^^ that is worth a pot to piss in my friend ...9000 will be GSM/HSDPA 3.5G

[untjoker]

^^^^ that is worth a pot to piss in my friend ...9000 will be GSM/HSDPA 3.5G

Gotta agree with that...we all know Verizon aint getting the 9000 before any GSM carrier.....

[Black Bart]

My on again off again girlfriend whos is a hocho for TMobile says the model BB9000 will be on the street before labor day. They are planning a big back to school promotion. Also, that they are going to outdo Apple with this. I'm just telling you what she says. I don't think its pillow talk.

One more thing, I am sworn to not talk about this but she has a bb 9000 now. Its' a prototype. She won't let me see it at all. She got it about a week ago.

[Sith_Apprentice]

without seeing it kinda hard to verify. :razz:

[Black Bart]

I have seen it from a distance. She just cant let me play with it because......she's a company woman.

[Sith_Apprentice]

even telling you about it can end her job if the right people find out.

[ezrunner]

Get pictures or we will report it to the right people!!!!hehehehehehe

[cellguy]

Ahhh, you noticed too... ;)

I think being the largest economy on the planet would explain that. The world does revolve around us. If we collapsed, economically, the rest of the world would soon follow!!

[Sith_Apprentice]

and if the chinese or the european markets collapsed, so would ours. we simply do not have the cash flow or physical space for that matter to harvest the needed resources, manufacture the product, and sell it to ourselves. Perfect example of that, Oil. We simply cannot self sustain on the Oil in the United States. We can for a while, dont get me wrong, but what, 10 years? And you think oil prices are bad now, wait a year or two if that happens, noone will be able to afford to drive anymore. That is the point of a global economy, goods and services from one location to another. to think that the world revolves around the US is pure arrogance.

[ezrunner]

100% agree SITH it is a Global Economy now!!!

each country relies upon each other!

FYI Californias economy alone is in the top ten of the world!! (if I recall correctly)

[NickfromIL]

Guys, don't forget we would have a shortage on lead paint if China's enconomy collapsed

[jibi]

While China's GDP does not come anywhere close to the United States, it goes without saying that their buying power is very much comparable. They have monthly growth rates that surpass hopeful expectations of some MVNOs in America.

[Black Bart]

even telling you about it can end her job if the right people find out.

I dont think she is not allowed to tell me about it. Its not like its a government secret, its just a blackberry.

[kashif5050]

Guys Besides Talking Abt The Release Dates For The 9000 Why Not Make More Friends On The Blackberry Messenger I Bet You There Are So Many Ppl Out There Who Dont Even Know How To Use This Feature,i Am A Male From New York City Hit Me Up My Pin# 241f3b11. Need To Have More Of These Bb Messenger Groups Than The Bb Forums There Too Many Out There Already

[Sith_Apprentice]

check the general forums, there is a link for posting your PIN for BBM buddies

[Sith_Apprentice]

I dont think she is not allowed to tell me about it. Its not like its a government secret, its just a blackberry.

Non-Disclosure Agreement = NDA. if she has one, she is under it.

[undemi]

wow, seriously if 9000 is going to be out before Labor Day, I would certainly wait before buying a Curve now

[Chinookman]

I know you guys are all really excited about the new techie stuff the phone may be able to do but I have not read anything on document controls...........any ability to open,read,edit M$ docs...????

That's my particular 'want',.....lol.........

PS: btw......T-Mo down here in rural Texas really sucks....and our company uses the Curve on the ATT network and the coverage meets my personal coverage needs.

However before I bail out and pay the $200 dollar ransom for leaving T-Mo...... I'd really like to learn more about what all the 9000 can do....thanks guys......

[Sith_Apprentice]

well i would assume the phone will be capable of editing documents (of course you can do that now with software from Dynoplex and others) since all phones back to the 87xx series devices are supposed to get the software upgrade that allows this (if you believe the rumors)

[Black Bart]

Labor Day it is.

[undemi]

Have you guys read this "blackberry 9000 in the wild" at Engadget, with a pic. of 9000?

BlackBerry 9000 in the wild - Engadget Mobile (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/03/28/blackberry-9000-in-the-wild/)

[Sith_Apprentice]

been posted many times on the forums.

[undemi]

ok, sorry then, what do you think of it?

looks like "old wine in a new bottle" though, only excitement would be the HSDPA network
not too much into touch screens

[Sith_Apprentice]

the device is not a touch screen. it is rumored to have WIFI, GPS, HSDPA faster processor and more memory. It is alot more than the old wine in a new bottle you speak of.

[Dinan3]

and a 3.x megapix camera. so i've heard

[southtexasgirl]

Now that I didn't know. I've been a T-Mobile customer longer than I thought. I went straight from my Sprint Spectrum Ericsson to Voicestream. I feel old :-(

Where I am Voicestream bought out PrimeCo, then Tmobile bought out Voicestream. I was a PrimeCo customer, and just followed through all the buyouts.

[alexmetal]

..and it's not like them to launch 3 similar devices under the same brand name within 3 months of one another.

Well, they did release the Sidekick LX and Sidekick Slide at the same time.. But perhaps they've learned their lesson after how horrible the Slide did/is doing.

[undemi]

When I looked back, the Pearl came out around Sept. 06
the Curve came out around Sept. 07
......the 9000 will come out around Sept. 08


So announcement at WES 2008, which is in May, then on the market in Sept. 08


It all makes sense...(y)

[alexmetal]

My Curve seems inferior already now.

[Black Bart]

Somone says they saw and touched one?

[TheKidInside]

I work for AT&T, I can tell you that T-mobile will not be getting the 9000 BB first....

that post made no sense whatsoever. I work for Tmo and I know that AT&T sucks from all the customers switching over...including myself.

[ArgonNJ]

that post made no sense whatsoever. I work for Tmo and I know that AT&T sucks from all the customers switching over...including myself.

Only because T Mob is cheaper. They will be in for a shock when they realize T Mob coverage is paltry compared to AT&T's.
And the 9000, with its high MSRP, seems priced way above what T Mob target audience can afford.

[ezrunner]

this carrier sux no that carrier sux facts is they all have about the same customer turnover. as many that are leaving ATT to TMO are leaving TMO to ATT

same with VZW some customers will never be happy until they learn accountability to themseleves and accept responsibility

Not my fault I went over my minutes!!!

[jibi]

I think T-Mobile will possibly put up the money to get the next BlackBerry. It will be the first consumer-intended 3G BlackBerry device. I don't think there's really a discussion anymore as to who will be the first American carrier to get the 9000, but there may be room for a debate on who will get the 9100. Just throwing that out there...

[serrano_yejo]

I think T-Mobile will possibly put up the money to get the next BlackBerry. It will be the first consumer-intended 3G BlackBerry device. I don't think there's really a discussion anymore as to who will be the first American carrier to get the 9000, but there may be room for a debate on who will get the 9100. Just throwing that out there...

I get coverage here by both AT&T and TMO ... indoor coverage with att... I am paying $ 125 single account with tmo...unlimited plus Bis... with the money I am spending... would be better off with att?

[PPCMD]

Black Bart, can you on/off again girlfriend confirm if it looks like the pictures at Engadget, at least then we can verify if there is a design change.

[Black Bart]

Black Bart, can you on/off again girlfriend confirm if it looks like the pictures at Engadget, at least then we can verify if there is a design change.

It is now not a topic we can discuss anymore. We have fought very much on this topic. I have seen the device several times during the past week and can tell you that it looks very similar to the BB on the right of the engadget photos. The one she has has a brushed aluminum finish on the edges.

[Dinan3]

I get coverage here by both AT&T and TMO ... indoor coverage with att... I am paying $ 125 single account with tmo...unlimited plus Bis... with the money I am spending... would be better off with att?

with an 8320, you should be getting UMA with the wifi...unless wifi is not accessible in that location?

[tazeat]

that post made no sense whatsoever. I work for Tmo and I know that AT&T sucks from all the customers switching over...including myself.

And the fact AT&T is a ***** to get a warranty through if you dont have service with them... I ended up having to buy a prepaid plan just to warranty my ATT 8310, I have a RECEIPT from me buying it for full retail a few months ago and they wouldn't take it...

[Sith_Apprentice]

does noone read the website/warranty card that says RIM will sevice their units as the 1 year manufacturer warranty?

[ezrunner]

And the fact AT&T is a ***** to get a warranty through if you dont have service with them... I ended up having to buy a prepaid plan just to warranty my ATT 8310, I have a RECEIPT from me buying it for full retail a few months ago and they wouldn't take it...

You are not a customer of ATT until you purchased the prepay. The warranty is manufacturer the carriers do not have to provide assistance with the warranty process. however them doing so expedites the process.

[ndub33]

You are not a customer of ATT until you purchased the prepay. The warranty is manufacturer the carriers do not have to provide assistance with the warranty process. however them doing so expedites the process.

This is true for most, if not all carriers.

[Black Bart]

Someone said they thought thr 9000 was too big. Well I have seen it and its about the same size as my 8800.

[jibi]

FWIW, tomorrow will be posted some 'evidence' of T-Mobile getting the 9000, but it won't be before AT&T gets it.

[PPCMD]

Cool, where will that info appear Jibi and that would be good news for me since I'm on AT&T.

[halflife78]

Since we are a huge corp T-Mobile customer I figured I would ask our rep again since the last time something like this came up he was right on.

When will the 3G network for T-Mobile be deployed in the US?
Late Q3 - Early Q4

Is T-Mobile getting the 9000 blackberry before AT&T?
From what we can tell now, no we will not have it before AT&T.

[rambo47]

My on again off again girlfriend whos is a hocho for TMobile says the model BB9000 will be on the street before labor day. They are planning a big back to school promotion. Also, that they are going to outdo Apple with this. I'm just telling you what she says. I don't think its pillow talk.

One more thing, I am sworn to not talk about this but she has a bb 9000 now. Its' a prototype. She won't let me see it at all. She got it about a week ago.

You know what you have to do, right? Roofie her up and spend some time with that bad boy. Pics, a review, the whole shebang! The next morning you say, "Hey, babe, you were really out of it last night! You've got to take it easy with the tequila from now on!"

[Black Bart]

I just spoke with my GF. She says the 9000 model will be out on Weds Sept 17th. Thats the target date.

[MacFly]

I just spoke with my GF. She says the 9000 model will be out on Weds Sept 17th. Thats the target date.

w/TMO?

[Black Bart]

Sept 17th. It will be a big push for Christmas.

[The BlackBerry Kid]

i can't wait until they have it out, that will bring the price of the curve down, yay, then i'll upgrade

[numetheus]

I was just in my VZW store today and the sales guy told me that they are releasing the 9000 and the Curve in June. For whatever that's worth.

And we all know that VZW reps are a bunch of idiots. I once had a conversation with a VZW rep where he tried to get me to buy a VZW phone. I told him that I buy new upper end phones 4 times a year and Verizons lineup is crap and usually outdated. Our convo went like this:

VZW rep: Well Verizon releases phones later than everyone else because they do lots of testing to make sure the devices are bug free.

Me: Over a years worth of bug fixing after everyone else already has them in hand?

VZW rep: Thats why VZW phones are perfect.

Me: I used to be with VZW and my phones were no more perfect than any other phone I have ever had with Tmobile or AT&T. By the time your devices are "perfect", the next version is already out by other carriers!

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Me: Could it be because manufacturers produce phones first for the bigger GSM market and go last to CDMA?

VZW rep: No because the biggest network is Verizon and they are CDMA.

Me: *stupid look on his face*

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Me: Well no I don't want your service I'm here with my friend who is an idiot for going with Verizon.

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Point is ... you can't trust a VZW rep, Tmobile rep, AT&T rep, and definitely not a Sprint rep in the store. They are last to know anything, and the minimum wage they are paid does not buy intelligent, motivated people.

[garys11]

LOL, Isn't that the truth....

[numetheus]

LOL, Isn't that the truth....

Well to make things clear, and I'm sure people will get the wrong message based on that previous post. While I am a fan of AT&T and T-Mobile (I wish I could go back to T-Mobile), I am not so much a fan of Verizon. I know it depends on your area too, but where I am at, AT&T and Verizon have similar service ... so I choose the one that gets me better devices. What I meant in that message was that based on the idiocy of the Verizon rep, I would never have gone Verizon because the reps pretty much ruin it for me. LOL And I have never ... EVER spoken to one that is "in the know".

[numetheus]

You are not a customer of ATT until you purchased the prepay. The warranty is manufacturer the carriers do not have to provide assistance with the warranty process. however them doing so expedites the process.

Yup. Why would AT&T have an interest in your phone outside of selling it to you? Thats like me buying a TV from Target and expecting Target to have a vested interest in that TV a year later without me paying for a Target warranty (do they even do that?). If you buy a Samsung TV, and something goes wrong with it, MOST people will assume to go to Samsung to get the thing fixed ... or a Samsung qualified repair shop. Why would it be the same for phones? AT&T just sold the phone at full retail ... that should be the end of the commitment, period.

[halflife78]

Had a meeting today with RIM about some BB items, I asked about the 9000 and it's coming to AT&T with a planned release in Aug/Sept, that is all they would tell me in relation to this right now.

[IanR]

As a vodafone customer in the UK is there any word on whether vodafone will get the 9000 and when?

[BBSwany]

As a vodafone customer in the UK is there any word on whether vodafone will get the 9000 and when?

Your looking probably the same time as AT&T. Maybe a bit sooner. RIM likes to release their phone to the big carriers first (Vodafone in Europe and AT&T here). We'll get a little more info come Monday or Tuesday.

[IanR]

Your looking probably the same time as AT&T. Maybe a bit sooner. RIM likes to release their phone to the big carriers first (Vodafone in Europe and AT&T here). We'll get a little more info come Monday or Tuesday.

Thanks bbswany

I am due an upgrade early summer so that is good news.

[jpfchicago]

Looks like mid sept for tmobile and the BOLD

[BBSwany]

Thanks bbswany

I am due an upgrade early summer so that is good news.

No Problem! It looks tentative for June (AT&T). Most likely for Vodafone as well..

And at least we know that T-Mo will be getting the 9000 in 3G flavor coming this fall!! YAY!!! (y)

[Wishdemon]

Hey all..I was reading bgr and gizmodo and they seem to imply that the 3G model for AT&T wont be compatible with T-Mobile's 3G network...is that correct?

Does that mean we cant use an unlocked AT&T 9000 on T-Mobile (ie: if we do unlock and use it, will we still be able to utilize the 3G capabilities on T-Mobile?)

Thanks

[JoeIndy]

T-Mobile uses different frequencies than AT&T. AT&T uses 850 and 1900MHz. T-Mobile will be using 1700 and 2100MHz. Europe uses 2100MHz, but, it still won't work on T-Mobile's 3G network. They'll use 1.7 for one direction and 2.1 for the other. I think I'm right, but, if I'm not... I'm sure someone will correct me in due order.

[Black Bart]

T-Mobile uses different frequencies than AT&T. AT&T uses 850 and 1900MHz. T-Mobile will be using 1700 and 2100MHz. Europe uses 2100MHz, but, it still won't work on T-Mobile's 3G network. They'll use 1.7 for one direction and 2.1 for the other. I think I'm right, but, if I'm not... I'm sure someone will correct me in due order.

I have been told by someone that knows that the higher the frequency, the more efficient the 3G system. In the present case with T-Mobile running at 2100MHz and ATT at 1900MHZ, the T-Mobile 3G system will be 10.52% more efficient. By efficent, I mean in terms of speed and data transfer.

I hope that answers your question.

[Wishdemon]

Sounds good - I think that answers my question - so we'll have to wait for an actual tmo bold to come and we cant use the ATT one on tmo...too bad...

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

I wouldn't be so sure.....Vodafone is probably the one who will debut it first.....AT&T aint got nothing on vodafone...When speaking about American carriers, Vodafone typically doesn't get brought up in the discussion. Not sure why, but something tells me it has to do with the Atlantic Ocean... I could be wrong, though.

Negative. I swam the Atlantic and made lots of friends. The dolphins I have talked to during my swim have never heard of Vodaphone. I met a whale with a Vu though. She kept an army of plankton she promised not to eat so they could press the screen for her. Whales don't have fingers you know.

[TheBigNewt]

I have been told by someone that knows that the higher the frequency, the more efficient the 3G system. In the present case with T-Mobile running at 2100MHz and ATT at 1900MHZ, the T-Mobile 3G system will be 10.52% more efficient. By efficent, I mean in terms of speed and data transfer.

I hope that answers your question.
The new Tmob 1700 and 2100 3G network is designed to handle voice, not data (unfortunately). Bad news for people who want faster internet, good news for the many in cities where they get dropped calls because Tmobs network is overloaded to the max. I think you'll be stuck with existing EDGE data network for the near future. The way it is designed now even WiFi with Tmob is no faster than EDGE.

[david_uk]

The dolphins I have talked to during my swim have never heard of Vodaphone.

The dolphins' spellchecker obviously worked. The largest cellular company on the planet is called Vodafone.

[g_patrick15]

The new Tmob 1700 and 2100 3G network is designed to handle voice, not data (unfortunately). Bad news for people who want faster internet, good news for the many in cities where they get dropped calls because Tmobs network is overloaded to the max. I think you'll be stuck with existing EDGE data network for the near future. The way it is designed now even WiFi with Tmob is no faster than EDGE.

Wrong on that one sir-works for both voice and data. Its not possible to use two networks at one time (ie using UMTS/HSDPA for Voice connection and using EDGE/GPRS for data). The rumor going around that it'll be voice only has been proven false

[numetheus]

The dolphins' spellchecker obviously worked. The largest cellular company on the planet is called Vodafone.

Only re-enforces the fact that fish in the Atlantic have never heard of them.

[XBGM3R]

You know, T-mobile needs to get with updating their products on the regular, and do something with the EDGE thing cuz it aint cutting it, what a nice addition this 9000 would be....C'mon Tmobile, get with the program there.. mmm

[XBGM3R]

Oh I forget something addition to tell you, None of you people know you can buy unlocked GSM based (AT&T, T-Mobile, Cellular One, etc..) phones, then just put your SIM in them? Or you can buy a phone from one carrier and pay a small fee to have it unlocked - which makes it usable on any network? I know it doesn't do the CDMA folks any good, but everyone else can just buy any phone they want and use their current SIM in it?

[Black Bart]

The new Tmob 1700 and 2100 3G network is designed to handle voice, not data (unfortunately). Bad news for people who want faster internet, good news for the many in cities where they get dropped calls because Tmobs network is overloaded to the max. I think you'll be stuck with existing EDGE data network for the near future. The way it is designed now even WiFi with Tmob is no faster than EDGE.

The new 3G system will handle voice and most importantly, DATA. Thats the who reason for building it. T-Mobile is cutting edge.

[numetheus]

The new 3G system will handle voice and most importantly, DATA. Thats the who reason for building it. T-Mobile is cutting edge.

True it supports voice and data. But cutting edge is what I can hardly call Tmobile. All of their upper end devices are underpowered, they are WAY (not just a little bit) slow at keeping up with everyone else in the coverage arena AND data network. I mean, when all of your WM units are only 200mhz or slower there is something wrong. AND, when FINALLY STARTING to implement 3G as others are about to go 4G, they decide to go with an already outdated 3G technology for data! UMTS? Are you kidding me?

Just how exactly is Tmobile being cutting edge, when they lag so far behind the big boys?

[Black Bart]

True it supports voice and data. But cutting edge is what I can hardly call Tmobile. All of their upper end devices are underpowered, they are WAY (not just a little bit) slow at keeping up with everyone else in the coverage arena AND data network. I mean, when all of your WM units are only 200mhz or slower there is something wrong. AND, when FINALLY STARTING to implement 3G as others are about to go 4G, they decide to go with an already outdated 3G technology for data! UMTS? Are you kidding me?

Just how exactly is Tmobile being cutting edge, when they lag so far behind the big boys?

4G is ready to go. Just needs testing. By the way, TMobile purchased more 3G spectrum space than any other carrier.

[numetheus]

4G is ready to go. Just needs testing. By the way, TMobile purchased more 3G spectrum space than any other carrier.

That ... I can't believe. You are probably the only one that thinks that btw. If you work for them you were probably misinformed by an overzealous employee. If they purchased more spectrum space than the other boys it would be common news ... there is no way to keep something like that a secret. Spectrum space is not exactly something they can just secretly buy and put a lid on it.

[numetheus]

4G is ready to go. Just needs testing. By the way, TMobile purchased more 3G spectrum space than any other carrier.

Yup ... nothing on the Internet anywhere about this. The only mention of 4G with Tmobile is Tmobile Europe. And tmobile europe is not the same as Tmobile America.

[greggebhardt]

And we all know that VZW reps are a bunch of idiots. I once had a conversation with a VZW rep where he tried to get me to buy a VZW phone. I told him that I buy new upper end phones 4 times a year and Verizons lineup is crap and usually outdated. Our convo went like this:

VZW rep: Well Verizon releases phones later than everyone else because they do lots of testing to make sure the devices are bug free.

Me: Over a years worth of bug fixing after everyone else already has them in hand?

VZW rep: Thats why VZW phones are perfect.

Me: I used to be with VZW and my phones were no more perfect than any other phone I have ever had with Tmobile or AT&T. By the time your devices are "perfect", the next version is already out by other carriers!

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Me: Could it be because manufacturers produce phones first for the bigger GSM market and go last to CDMA?

VZW rep: No because the biggest network is Verizon and they are CDMA.

Me: *stupid look on his face*

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Me: Well no I don't want your service I'm here with my friend who is an idiot for going with Verizon.

VZW rep: *stupid look on his face*

Point is ... you can't trust a VZW rep, Tmobile rep, AT&T rep, and definitely not a Sprint rep in the store. They are last to know anything, and the minimum wage they are paid does not buy intelligent, motivated people.

Thanks for making me laugh this morning! I hate to say it but it but the AT&T reps are not alot smarter. It is a know fact that they are the last to know anything. If the carrier tells the rep anything, it has been known on the street for months. The poor salespeople have no knowledge of a new device until they get their 30 minute orientation the day it goes on sale. I watched a saleperson break the back off a device because she did not know how to remove the battery!

Thanks again!

[numetheus]

Thanks for making me laugh this morning! I hate to say it but it but the AT&T reps are not alot smarter. It is a know fact that they are the last to know anything. If the carrier tells the rep anything, it has been known on the street for months. The poor salespeople have no knowledge of a new device until they get their 30 minute orientation the day it goes on sale. I watched a saleperson break the back off a device because she did not know how to remove the battery!

Thanks again!

LOL thats true. AT&T reps are no smarter than the other in-store reps. I am just shocked when people still post things like .. "I just talked to my rep at the store and he said the BB is coming out in June! A reliable source!"

ME: "Hey when does the Vu come out? Any hard dates?"

AT&T Rep: "I have not heard of the Vu, but it may come out for Verizon."

AT&T Rep: *proud smile*

ME: *stupid look on his face*

ME: "I'm going to go prep my swords for harry kerry now k? Its still dirty from the last time I committed suicide."

AT&T Rep: *stupid look on his face*

[Black Bart]

My girlfriend has a 9000 but I'm not allowed to look at it.

[HofstraJet]

Does she live with you? If so, she does shower and sleep, doesn't she? :-)

[BBSwany]

Does she live with you? If so, she does shower and sleep, doesn't she? :-)

And if that's true, there has to be a digital camera nearby too. ;-)

[Black Bart]

she works for t-mobile. she would break up with me and take my 8800 away if i ever took a pic of the 9000.

there is something strange going on, i noticed that she has another bb now, cant figure it out, another prototype i guess. she said it was a 9000 too. who knows.

[numetheus]

Seems like your girlfriend doesn't trust you. Call me suspicious, but you are the same person that says the Tmobile purchased a huge portion of the spectrum, built a 4G network already, and is only waiting for the switch to be flipped? Even when nobody else knows about it? How do you keep a big purchase and buildout of a full 4G network completely secret? I am also willing to bet that your girlfriend doesn't have a 9000 and that is a fabricated story no?

[BBSwany]

Seems like your girlfriend doesn't trust you. Call me suspicious, but you are the same person that says the Tmobile purchased a huge portion of the spectrum, built a 4G network already, and is only waiting for the switch to be flipped? Even when nobody else knows about it? How do you keep a big purchase and buildout of a full 4G network completely secret? I am also willing to bet that your girlfriend doesn't have a 9000 and that is a fabricated story no?

(y) Nice!!

[Sith_Apprentice]

she works for t-mobile. she would break up with me and take my 8800 away if i ever took a pic of the 9000.

there is something strange going on, i noticed that she has another bb now, cant figure it out, another prototype i guess. she said it was a 9000 too. who knows.

If she has Tmo, and you are in Boston, hows that non-activated 3G network working for her? :razz:

[numetheus]

If she has Tmo, and you are in Boston, hows that non-activated 3G network working for her? :razz:

Well, because according to him, Tmobile purchased more 3G spectrum space than any other character ... so, since that news slipped passed everyone and only Verizon and AT&T buying the lions share slipped through, Tmobile probably also turned on 3G without anyone knowing. AND ... since they were able to turn on 3G without anyone knowing, they ALSO purchased Microsoft and is waiting for the last moment to announce the Tmobile Operating System, which turns all computers into a node in a mesh network for speedy porn surfing. The TMobile OS will also use all of that spectrum into a forced beam to simultaneously cook millions of hotdogs, insuring its dominance in the hotdog industry and pushing Nathans out of business. After Nathans is out of business, then OBVIOUSLY, taking over Canada and RIM will be cakewalk!! MUHAHAHHAHA!!!

You have to hand it to Tmobile ... that is simply brilliant! Its all true ... my girlfriend with a BlackBerry 9510 (model without spectrum force beaming) said so!

[geekboy2000]

she works for t-mobile. she would break up with me and take my 8800 away if i ever took a pic of the 9000.


That's because not only does she have the 9000, but she also happens to be . . Morgan Fairchild, yeah, . . that's it.:smile:

[numetheus]

That's because not only does she have the 9000, but she also happens to be . . Morgan Fairchild, yeah, . . that's it.:smile:

HAHAHHAHAH Look .... seriously though. Only I'm allowed to be an ass. LOL

[flash24]

Seems like your girlfriend doesn't trust you. Call me suspicious, but you are the same person that says the Tmobile purchased a huge portion of the spectrum, built a 4G network already, and is only waiting for the switch to be flipped? Even when nobody else knows about it? How do you keep a big purchase and buildout of a full 4G network completely secret? I am also willing to bet that your girlfriend doesn't have a 9000 and that is a fabricated story no?


lol you make a good detective.


BUSTED!!!

[Black Bart]

the crazy filipino sho go back to where he came from. his post are way out of line.

[caggarcia]

the crazy filipino sho go back to where he came from. his post are way out of line.

Yes. numetheus' comments hurt everyone's soul. You big meanie you numetheus! ;-)

Grow up.

[Outrigger]

the crazy filipino sho go back to where he came from. his post are way out of line.

thats only because he wants what he can't have, so it makes him feel better. must be the hater in him.

[numetheus]

thats only because he wants what he can't have, so it makes him feel better. must be the hater in him.

Hey I'm not the one making up stories. When you tell people that Tmobile has purchased the largest portion of the spectrum, and has already built a 4G network waiting for the switch to be thrown, you kind of lose credibility. Add to that you live with a girlfriend with a 9000 and you have not seen it once?

[rambo47]

I reiterate my advice to roofie her up and get your hands on the 'berry. Make some videos, take still pics, do an evaluation, and post it on a web site. Chop chop!

[Black Bart]

That crazy filipino has a mean spirited edge

[numetheus]

I love you all.

[jpfchicago]

Mr. Filipino, you dont have the right to talk to people like that. This is a forum for the discussion of BB issues. Everyone is welcome to post what they know or think they know about the BB. You are not allowed to question their intergrity or use personal attacks to get your point across.

[JPREP]

There are a few different models of the BlackBerry 9000. The one that everyone sees prototypes of is the Bold, the exclusive model for AT&T set for launch in June. The version set for T-Mobile (likely available in August or September) will look slightly different, yet will work on their 3G network. They also DO own more 3G space than AT&T. AT&T, if you recall, only has 3G coverage in the immediate New York City area, whereas T-Mobile will eventually roll-out their 3G coverage outside the New York City area into Long Island and New Jersey (although it is currently only available in NYC).

[rambo47]

Mr. Filipino, you dont have the right to talk to people like that. This is a forum for the discussion of BB issues. Everyone is welcome to post what they know or think they know about the BB. You are not allowed to question their intergrity or use personal attacks to get your point across.

That ain't a personal attack. He's calling someone out on what sounds to me like a load of BS. Sarcasm isn't a personal attack. It's just good, clean fun!(y)

[g_patrick15]

There are a few different models of the BlackBerry 9000. The one that everyone sees prototypes of is the Bold, the exclusive model for AT&T set for launch in June. The version set for T-Mobile (likely available in August or September) will look slightly different, yet will work on their 3G network. They also DO own more 3G space than AT&T. AT&T, if you recall, only has 3G coverage in the immediate New York City area, whereas T-Mobile will eventually roll-out their 3G coverage outside the New York City area into Long Island and New Jersey (although it is currently only available in NYC).
Is that right huh? Geez false information flies around here like a disease

[jpfchicago]

Is that right huh? Geez false information flies around here like a disease


to g_patrick15, politness please.
all this nastiness is having a chilling effect.

[Outrigger]

AT&T, if you recall, only has 3G coverage in the immediate New York City area, whereas T-Mobile will eventually roll-out their 3G coverage outside the New York City area into Long Island and New Jersey (although it is currently only available in NYC).

uh, I live in New Jersey and I have 3G in my area. please don't spread incorrect information if you aren't sure.

[g_patrick15]

to g_patrick15, politness please.
all this nastiness is having a chilling effect.

I'm sorry, but I think my post was totally justifiable. Didn't mean any offense by it, I'm just saying the poster said it so matter of factly and then insinuated that us other posters really didn't know a thing about 3G and its whereabouts, like (s)he just wouldn't be called for being totally wrong

[BryanHarig]

T-Mobile has done a lot of work on its 3g network. Here in NYC it is currently available. There are significant areas of the US that are very nearly ready to launch and a few cities that could launch tomorrow if T-Mobile wanted. It is a bit overly optimistic to say that they have a nationwide network just waiting for a switch to be flipped however.

T-Mobile has faced a lot of challenges getting 3g off the ground (government delays, nonstandard bands etc) thus it has been a slow process. Once they get it running I think it will be one of the best 3g networks in the US. T-Mobile has a history of running their 2g network very efficiently and well. Despite their more limited network resources in many areas they are able to tie or beat AT&T in surveys of call quality and dropped calls.

AT&T's own 3g network was originally available only in Manhattan (and not even all of it at that). It has since expanded to cover a significant part of the tri-state area. AT&T has steadily been improving 3g coverage (except for the time out they took in 2007 due to $ problems). While they are not yet at the level of Sprint or Verizon in terms of 3g coverage they are getting there.

I think this is a fair summery of the state of AT&T and T-Mobile 3g. Can we all agree to it and move on with discussion of the BB 9000 on T-Mobile? It is one of the phones I am most looking forward to this year.

[g_patrick15]

Although I have and like my t-mobile service, and dislike att plans, I have to say that att has a pretty decent amoint of 3G coverage, not just in the tristate new york area. I'm in atlanta, and there's att 3G coverage here too.

[Black Bart]

Some people have mentioned Aug 1 for the 9000. see link at
The Boy Genius Report

I dont think so. I keep hearing Sept 17.

[PPCMD]

There are a few different models of the BlackBerry 9000. The one that everyone sees prototypes of is the Bold, the exclusive model for AT&T set for launch in June. The version set for T-Mobile (likely available in August or September) will look slightly different, yet will work on their 3G network. They also DO own more 3G space than AT&T. AT&T, if you recall, only has 3G coverage in the immediate New York City area, whereas T-Mobile will eventually roll-out their 3G coverage outside the New York City area into Long Island and New Jersey (although it is currently only available in NYC).

AT&T has 3G coverage in these cities in New York State, and I can tell you only one is NYC: Albany, Buffalo, Ithaca, Hamptons, New York, Rochester, Syracuse, Watertown

I also went to both AT&T and T-Mo's web sites and looked up their published 3G cities, as in announced, listed and functioning for voice and data. The odd thing is T-Mobile does NOT list 3G on their coverage map and I would think they would want to with so much of it. Now AT&T does show theirs and they cover Watertown, NY small city with a rather LARGE military base in the area.

I just wanted to put some of the information I was able to find and hope it helps others.

[Black Bart]

my girlfriend who works for t-mobile has an experimental 9000 and the 3G feature is working today

[Black Bart]

t-mobile has 3G up and running in parts of NYC, all of Boston, parts of Atlanta and all of Austin Texas. it works great.

[g_patrick15]

I have a 6263 and can check later to see if the 3G is working in atlanta. I highly doubt it is but I'll check

[BBSwany]

Some people have mentioned Aug 1 for the 9000. see link at
The Boy Genius Report

I dont think so. I keep hearing Sept 17.

I was just reporting what I found on BGR. If it ends up like anything last year. The Bold will be released on T-Mobile in late September. And T-Mobile "officially" announces availability on a Monday so my vote is for Sept. 22nd. :smile:

[Black Bart]

I have a 6263 and can check later to see if the 3G is working in atlanta. I highly doubt it is but I'll check

Please check out Atlanta and report back.

[BBSwany]

I have a 6263 and can check later to see if the 3G is working in atlanta. I highly doubt it is but I'll check

What's the word on 3G in Atlanta? (y) or (n)

[g_patrick15]

My bad I haven't checked but give me till the end of the day and I will report back.

[cubanitoloko23]

I hope T-Mobile does get it first. I am more interested in the faster processor and large amount of internal memory than the 3G capabilities.

same here, i would love the processor speed as well

[Dinkoh]

t-mobile has 3G up and running in parts of NYC, all of Boston, parts of Atlanta and all of Austin Texas. it works great.

My buddy talked to the CEO of AT&T, and the BOLD is supposed to be exclusive to AT&T for at least a year.

I didn't hear the conversation, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[BryanHarig]

It has been a long time since RIM gave anyone a 1 year exclusive on anything. (Pearl on T-Mobile IIRC) I doubt they would be willing to so restrict their new flagship device in the face of increasing competition.

[HofstraJet]

The Bold will be exclusive to AT&T in the US: BlackBerry® Bold™ 9000 (http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry9000/?_requestid=66905)

For how long is anybody's guess.

[Black Bart]

I dont know about ATT but T-Mobile will have the 9000 on Sept 17.

[BryanHarig]

I dont know about ATT but T-Mobile will have the 9000 on Sept 17.

I hope to come back to this thread and congratulate you on a accurate prediction on that very day! Unless it is a 3g'less Javelin varient, then I will be very dissapointed!

[numetheus]

AT&T has the Bold ... and its an exclusive so I do not know how T-Mobile will get it. But they will be getting the Javeline. Isn't Javeline like the Bold, except without 3G? I can't see Tmobile releasing both Javeline and Bold very close to each other. Probably Bold for AT&T is wishful thinking.

[numetheus]

I dont know about ATT but T-Mobile will have the 9000 on Sept 17.

I am willing to bet money that Tmobile will not get it on the 17th of September. If they get one, it will be Javeline.

[bakerfall]

I am willing to bet money that Tmobile will not get it on the 17th of September. If they get one, it will be Javeline.

I believe the Kickstart is coming out before the Javelin.

[JLeny]

Thought i read that T mobile would have a September 24th 2008 launch date.

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

Thought i read that T mobile would have a September 24th 2008 launch date.

Yeah ... But I seriously doubt it will be the Bold. The Javelin maybe.

[g_patrick15]

The curve was an att exclusive, and t-mobile got it when the 90-day exclusive ended. T-Mobile had an exclusive on the pearl, but att got it after a while. The 8800 was labeled as an att exclusive too, but we all see where that landed. I think for phones other than the iPhone, they're not lifetime exclusives. The RAZR too was an att exclusive that landed on all carriers with a vengeance. I read somewhere (i think bgr or engadget) that when the bold was announced at wes they said that there'd be a model of the bold for t-mobile. the javelin will not be able to be called the bold since they're two separate device lines. i actually think that the javelin is the curve replacement, the bold is the 8800 replacement, and the kickstart is the pearl replacement, and thus all three devices will land on both gsm carriers, and eventually on sprint and vzw. just my thoughts

[numetheus]

The curve was an att exclusive, and t-mobile got it when the 90-day exclusive ended. T-Mobile had an exclusive on the pearl, but att got it after a while. The 8800 was labeled as an att exclusive too, but we all see where that landed. I think for phones other than the iPhone, they're not lifetime exclusives. The RAZR too was an att exclusive that landed on all carriers with a vengeance. I read somewhere (i think bgr or engadget) that when the bold was announced at wes they said that there'd be a model of the bold for t-mobile. the javelin will not be able to be called the bold since they're two separate device lines. i actually think that the javelin is the curve replacement, the bold is the 8800 replacement, and the kickstart is the pearl replacement, and thus all three devices will land on both gsm carriers, and eventually on sprint and vzw. just my thoughts

Good point ... I'm still betting T-Mobile does not get the Bold, but the Javeline instead.

[rachamphetamine]

The curve was an att exclusive, and t-mobile got it when the 90-day exclusive ended. T-Mobile had an exclusive on the pearl, but att got it after a while. The 8800 was labeled as an att exclusive too, but we all see where that landed. I think for phones other than the iPhone, they're not lifetime exclusives. The RAZR too was an att exclusive that landed on all carriers with a vengeance. I read somewhere (i think bgr or engadget) that when the bold was announced at wes they said that there'd be a model of the bold for t-mobile. the javelin will not be able to be called the bold since they're two separate device lines. i actually think that the javelin is the curve replacement, the bold is the 8800 replacement, and the kickstart is the pearl replacement, and thus all three devices will land on both gsm carriers, and eventually on sprint and vzw. just my thoughts

A well thought out reply. Hope you're right!

[g_patrick15]

A well thought out reply. Hope you're right!

Thanks. I hope I'm right. It seems pretty logical and likely to happen

[JPREP]

Give a ring to T-Mobile and ask about upcoming 3G BlackBerry. The two reps I spoke to on separate occasions are under the impression that a 3G capable BlackBerry will be available "well earlier than before the year's end," though certainly they are to be taken with a grain of salt. They can also confirm what areas are currently 3G capable for any upcoming phones launched using their 3G spectrum.

[GLOCKshooter]

ATT has an exclusivity period on the BOLD.
It appears the T-Mobile version of the 900 will be the Javelin, at least at first.
It is entirely possible that the Javelin could be released before the BOLD. Then everyone could be angry.
"hey, mine wasn't first!"
"Hey, mine doesn't have 3G!"

[g_patrick15]

Im not saying that t-mobile isnt getting the javelin, but theres absolutely no proof saying that it wont be getting the bold either. like i mentioned above, its very likely that both carriers get all 3 new 9k series blackberrys, just as they did the 8k series. Bold for Corporate users/consumer users (Ala 8800), Javelin for consumers primarily (8300 series) and the kickstart for suretype users (pearl). Im sure the exclusivity period on the bold is only for 90 days as usual

[CrazyMac]

I have read that ATT will have the 9000 in July with Tmobile to follow in September. Of course, those are launch date which appear to be missed very often. It will arrive sooner or later.

[Black Bart]

dats the date, bank on it.

[Bleach Injected]

dats the date, bank on it.

That would work well for me, I got my Pearl the day it was released on T-Mobile. That would mean I could renew my contract when the 9000 hits.

[g_patrick15]

Sorry for the horribly late response to the 3G issue, but I updated the firmware on my 6263 and put it to UMTS-only mode and got no reception at all, so no 3G in Atlanta.

[Black Bart]

Sorry for the horribly late response to the 3G issue, but I updated the firmware on my 6263 and put it to UMTS-only mode and got no reception at all, so no 3G in Atlanta.


come on G Patrick. It took you a month to get back to us with an answer about 3g in Atlanta. Whatever you did, I would venture to say that it only proves that there was no 3g wherever you were standing. Hardly conclusive as to the entire city.

[g_patrick15]

come on G Patrick. It took you a month to get back to us with an answer about 3g in Atlanta. Whatever you did, I would venture to say that it only proves that there was no 3g wherever you were standing. Hardly conclusive as to the entire city.

Well my bad for taking so long I honestly just forgot about it. On the 6263 firmware update it'll give a 3G signal indicator. I live in the metro area where they have decent reception and a decent subscriber base. I'm sure it would've been available and it wasn't just me standing in one spot. Take it for what its worth

[BBSwany]

come on G Patrick. It took you a month to get back to us with an answer about 3g in Atlanta. Whatever you did, I would venture to say that it only proves that there was no 3g wherever you were standing. Hardly conclusive as to the entire city.

Or maybe there is no 3G in Atlanta... :? On a side note, I doubt T-Mo will be dropping a device on a Wednesday (Sept. 17th). Has any of your predictions held true.. Ever? :oops:

[Black Bart]

My GF works for t_mobile and has had a 9000 since about April begining. She has had it in Atlata and the 3G worked there. She says Sept 17 and I believe here.

I also predict Obama will be elected
and
that Iran will stop all work on nuclear reactors before the end of this year.

[g_patrick15]

My GF works for t_mobile and has had a 9000 since about April begining. She has had it in Atlata and the 3G worked there. She says Sept 17 and I believe here.

I also predict Obama will be elected
and
that Iran will stop all work on nuclear reactors before the end of this year.

Believe what you wanna believe, no ones stopping you. I'll try to post a speedtest tomorrow, but I may not get around to it seeing as I have a life outside of the internet. I have no need to lie. I do, however agree that Obama will be elected

[g_patrick15]

And plus, if 3G was in atlanta, I'm sure someone woulda mentioned it somewhere on the internet. Not much news slips under the radar of the blogs (especially engadget and boy genius)

[BBSwany]

And plus, if 3G was in atlanta, I'm sure someone woulda mentioned it somewhere on the internet. Not much news slips under the radar of the blogs (especially engadget and boy genius)

I agree. Like BG reporting another market opening up in Chicago. The blogsphere is going to tell us which markets are launching when. Especially on a network that has been slow to the gate about launching 3G.

T-Mobile flipping 3G switch in Chicago tomorrow? : Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/06/30/t-mobile-flipping-3g-switch-in-chicago-tomorrow/)

Oh, Black Bart what position does your gf hold at T-Mobile?

[jpfchicago]

I agree. Like BG reporting another market opening up in Chicago. The blogsphere is going to tell us which markets are launching when. Especially on a network that has been slow to the gate about launching 3G.

T-Mobile flipping 3G switch in Chicago tomorrow? : Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/06/30/t-mobile-flipping-3g-switch-in-chicago-tomorrow/)

Oh, Black Bart what position does your gf hold at T-Mobile?

I'm glad to say its working on the south side and in the loop. not sure about the north side or the burbs.

[Black Bart]

Mark your Calendars!
We finally have a confirmed launch and delivery date for the BlackBerry Bold 9000. T-Mobile Germany will release the device on July 21ST. Without a contract it will cost you 550 Euro (860 USD incl. tax). With a two year contract it will cost you between 90 Euro and 340 Euro depending on the contract details. Less than three weeks and you will finally be able to pick up a BlackBerry Bold in Germany!
Ok people, T-Mobile has it in Germany in about 2 weeks. Is there any doubt, the US will have it in mid Sept.

[g_patrick15]

From the impact that tmobile uk and germany have on tm-us, I would seriously doubt it. They have no impact whatsoever on which phones the us gets. Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping you're right on that sept. 17 date, it sounds about right if its coming but the 90 day exclusivity that att may have may delay that.

[wayneholbrook]

Mark your Calendars!
We finally have a confirmed launch and delivery date for the BlackBerry Bold 9000. T-Mobile Germany will release the device on July 21ST. Without a contract it will cost you 550 Euro (860 USD incl. tax). With a two year contract it will cost you between 90 Euro and 340 Euro depending on the contract details. Less than three weeks and you will finally be able to pick up a BlackBerry Bold in Germany!
Ok people, T-Mobile has it in Germany in about 2 weeks. Is there any doubt, the US will have it in mid Sept.

Why does this matter, even if we bought the bold in Germany we could not use it in 3g here anyway because from what I hear we use a different freq in the US. Is this correct?

[PDM]

Yes, it is correct... Discussed alittle here : http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-9000-series-discussion-bold/138344-bold-tmobile-germany.html

I assume the international travellers will have to fall back on GSM/GPRS when travelling to/from US.

[wayneholbrook]

Does anyone know how to buy the bold from germany the day it comes out. Can you buy it directly from the carrier's web page or does anyone know a web site one could go to to get it shipped asap?

[Black Bart]

Does anyone know how to buy the bold from germany the day it comes out. Can you buy it directly from the carrier's web page or does anyone know a web site one could go to to get it shipped asap?

You can buy it at their web site. You have to pay in Euros. The exchange rate with a credit card is horrible.

[g_patrick15]

I think when you order from an overseas carrier they'll only ship to addresses in their country. so if thats so then you wont be able to have it shipped here. dont quote me on that tho cause im not 100% on that

[Black Bart]

3g is 3g. The only difference between Germany and the States is the money.

[keosha]

I'm trying to use my BB pearl 8100 as a modem on my laptop.I keep getting an error 736 and 733.Can you help? krazykeosha @<hidden>

[BBSwany]

Um.. Wrong again buddy. T-Mobile U.S. will be using 1700/2100 MHz which currently isn't being used by any other carrier. Most 3G bands are 1900/2100 MHz or just a 2100MHz band which is exactly the reason why the current iteration of the Bold will NOT work on T-Mobile U.S.

3g is 3g. The only difference between Germany and the States is the money.

And 3G is not 3G. There's HSDPA, HSUPA, EV-DO, & UMTS to name a few. All have different data speeds and network capabilities.

[BBSwany]

You can buy it at their web site. You have to pay in Euros. The exchange rate with a credit card is horrible.

Incorrect

I think when you order from an overseas carrier they'll only ship to addresses in their country. so if thats so then you wont be able to have it shipped here. dont quote me on that tho cause im not 100% on that

Correct, you will NOT be able to buy unsubsidized from T-Mobile Germany and have it shipped here. The only way to do this is to have someone living in Germany buy the phone and ship it to you.

[BBSwany]

Mark your Calendars!
We finally have a confirmed launch and delivery date for the BlackBerry Bold 9000. T-Mobile Germany will release the device on July 21ST. Without a contract it will cost you 550 Euro (860 USD incl. tax). With a two year contract it will cost you between 90 Euro and 340 Euro depending on the contract details. Less than three weeks and you will finally be able to pick up a BlackBerry Bold in Germany!
Ok people, T-Mobile has it in Germany in about 2 weeks. Is there any doubt, the US will have it in mid Sept.

So, if your theory is correct, we should be getting the N95, Samsung Soul & Tocco, LG Viewty & KF 600, the HTC Kaiser and the Touch (All on T-Mobile UK website.) If we got just half of the T-Mobile Europe inventory here in the states, I would be a happy camper. :smile:
I will believe a T-Mobile Bold when I see it in the flesh. With all the Javelin information hitting the waves recently, my vote is Javelin, and not Bold for September. Especially with Rogers roadmap seeing a Javelin release about the same time.

[BryanHarig]

If past experience is any guide, within a day or two there will be ebay sellers offering the .eu Bold unlocked at an exhorbenent price that will slowly go down as it becomes more available.

As you said, there are a number of different 3g standards.
850/1900 - at&t
1700/2100 - T-Mo USA
2100 - .eu and Asia
850/2100 - Australia
crazyness - Japan and Korea
etc...

[BBSwany]

If past experience is any guide, within a day or two there will be ebay sellers offering the .eu Bold unlocked at an exhorbenent price that will slowly go down as it becomes more available.

As you said, there are a number of different 3g standards.
850/1900 - at&t
1700/2100 - T-Mo USA
2100 - .eu and Asia
850/2100 - Australia
crazyness - Japan and Korea
etc...

Absolutely! We will probably see $ 999+ pricing on eBay initially. Hopefully other distributors won't be so interested in price gouging. We will see here in a couple weeks though.

[numetheus]

Um.. Wrong again buddy. T-Mobile U.S. will be using 1700/2100 MHz which currently isn't being used by any other carrier. Most 3G bands are 1900/2100 MHz or just a 2100MHz band which is exactly the reason why the current iteration of the Bold will NOT work on T-Mobile U.S.



And 3G is not 3G. There's HSDPA, HSUPA, EV-DO, & UMTS to name a few. All have different data speeds and network capabilities.

Actually ... HSDPA and HSUPA are all part of the same family of protocols, HSPA. HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and USUPA (High Speed Uplink Packet Access) are both used on HSPA network, so there is not HSDPA AND HSUPA. AND .... those two protocols exists to improve performance on existing UMTS networks.

Its between EV-DO and UMTS as the main protocols for 3G. HSPA (and all protocols in its family) are there simply to boost the performance of UMTS. Verizon and Sprints EV-DO are comparable in performance to Tmobile with straight UMTS, but neither can match the speed of AT&T using HSPA .. which is sometimes considered 3.5G. I heard rumors that AT&T will upgrade to HSPA+, which has peak data rates of 42 Mbit/sec.

[clev]

Just called MobileOne, and guess wat? They are expecting to launch the phone in August 2008! ^^,

[BBSwany]

Actually ... HSDPA and HSUPA are all part of the same family of protocols, HSPA. HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and USUPA (High Speed Uplink Packet Access) are both used on HSPA network, so there is not HSDPA AND HSUPA. AND .... those two protocols exists to improve performance on existing UMTS networks.

Its between EV-DO and UMTS as the main protocols for 3G. HSPA (and all protocols in its family) are there simply to boost the performance of UMTS. Verizon and Sprints EV-DO are comparable in performance to Tmobile with straight UMTS, but neither can match the speed of AT&T using HSPA .. which is sometimes considered 3.5G. I heard rumors that AT&T will upgrade to HSPA+, which has peak data rates of 42 Mbit/sec.

Sorry. I should have been a little more specific in my explanation. They are part of the same family (GSM & CDMA) but saying "3G is 3G" isn't a correct statement. There is a little more to it than that. Thanks for the info though. It's nice to have good contributions like this. (y)

[numetheus]

Sorry. I should have been a little more specific in my explanation. They are part of the same family (GSM & CDMA) but saying "3G is 3G" isn't a correct statement. There is a little more to it than that. Thanks for the info though. It's nice to have good contributions like this. (y)

Well ... to get more technical. 3G is 3G. 3G is just the third generation of mobile telecommunications standards and is based on ITU standards under IMT-2000 (International Mobile Telecommunications-2000. The 3rd Generation, or 3G specifications include protocols for both CDMA and GSM networks. CDMA2000 EV-DO and UMTS (which later includes HSPA family in updated networks).

Soooooo .... TECHNICALLY 3G is 3G because all of those protocols fall under the same technology specification. BUT the specific 3G protocols (EV-DO vs UMTS/HSPA) are very different from one another ... yes. So you are both right. :-P

[R-Rizzo]

If past experience is any guide, within a day or two there will be ebay sellers offering the .eu Bold unlocked at an exhorbenent price that will slowly go down as it becomes more available.

As you said, there are a number of different 3g standards.
850/1900 - at&t
1700/2100 - T-Mo USA
2100 - .eu and Asia
850/2100 - Australia
crazyness - Japan and Korea
etc...


LOL @<hidden> Crazyness, Yeah but what I wouldn't give for a little bit of Japan/Korea Crazyness here in the states.

[Black Bart]

Well ... to get more technical. 3G is 3G. 3G is just the third generation of mobile telecommunications standards and is based on ITU standards under IMT-2000 (International Mobile Telecommunications-2000. The 3rd Generation, or 3G specifications include protocols for both CDMA and GSM networks. CDMA2000 EV-DO and UMTS (which later includes HSPA family in updated networks).

Soooooo .... TECHNICALLY 3G is 3G because all of those protocols fall under the same technology specification. BUT the specific 3G protocols (EV-DO vs UMTS/HSPA) are very different from one another ... yes. So you are both right. :-P


Of course I was right. I knew I was right.

[MrPandaInc]

Its kind of funny to read the first post hearing somebody said that T-mobile would be the first to get the 9000 and watch the thread grow into now saying T-mo is like close to last to getting the bold, Im kind of upset hearing this information for a while now.

[BBSwany]

Its kind of funny to read the first post hearing somebody said that T-mobile would be the first to get the 9000 and watch the thread grow into now saying T-mo is like close to last to getting the bold, Im kind of upset hearing this information for a while now.

Well, only a couple people were attesting to the Bold getting released first. Most of our senior members, like Jibi and Sith set us straight. :razz: I had absolutely no faith in the Bold getting released from T-Mobile first. And with all the Javelin news. I don't have much faith for the Bold on T-Mo anytime this year. :cry:

[DuckWingDuck]

I think as have been mentioned X times, RIM's strategy in the US seems to be Cingular - Corporate devices; TMO - Consumer devices.

[Black Bart]

I think as have been mentioned X times, RIM's strategy in the US seems to be Cingular - Corporate devices; TMO - Consumer devices.

I hope thats not true.

[g_patrick15]

I don't think that's true, seeing as they've both always had the same blackberrys as of recently and as far back as I can tell. Otherwise tmobile wouldn't have had the 8800 or 8820, or 8700

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

I think as have been mentioned X times, RIM's strategy in the US seems to be Cingular - Corporate devices; TMO - Consumer devices.

I hope thats not true.

Didn't they get most of the consumer devices first? 7100, Pearl, and now Kickstart? Tmobile is not getting Bold first, but rather Javelin.

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

I don't think that's true, seeing as they've both always had the same blackberrys as of recently and as far back as I can tell. Otherwise tmobile wouldn't have had the 8800 or 8820, or 8700

He never said Tmobile never released corporate devices on Tmo. Tmo got 8800 series, but after Cingular. Tmo has always had consumer models first. 7100, Pearl, Kickstart. Tmo isn't even getting the Bold first, they are getting Javelin instead. The business-centered models have always been Cingular first and Tmo last.

[ocard.bb]

I love T-Mo but they need to start to carry cooler phones. AKA the BOLD!!!!!

[g_patrick15]

O ok I misread what he meant. I get what your saying now

[The BlackBerry Kid]

Yeah. Tmobile needs some better phones. I can't wait to see them carry the bold. I want one a lot. And the KickStart looks pretty cool too.

[teg94]

Yeah, I agree... T-mo needs to start getting these phones sooner. Hopefully they'll keep it a reasonable color as well. I got my 8820 from them and had to go spend another $50 to get rid of the "blue" case. I guess I'm just too picky?

Oh and anyone heard any status on T-mo's 3g network? Rumors about when it may be going live in the DC area? (not that it matters since I've still got my 8820)

[BBSwany]

Yeah, I agree... T-mo needs to start getting these phones sooner. Hopefully they'll keep it a reasonable color as well. I got my 8820 from them and had to go spend another $50 to get rid of the "blue" case. I guess I'm just too picky?

Oh and anyone heard any status on T-mo's 3g network? Rumors about when it may be going live in the DC area? (not that it matters since I've still got my 8820)

It's all about the $$$ when it comes to which carrier gets the device first. AT&T has a better corporate customer base, better network coverage, more customers, and more $$$$. It has always been a business decision to launch on AT&T first simply because RIM wants the best opportunity to sell devices. I have been with T-Mobile since as far as I can remember, and they have always been behind the pack. But they have the best CS and Pricing out there. You win some, you lose some.

And T-Mo's 3G rollout is moving along. BG posted a rumor that 3G was going live in large markets on October 1st.

T-Mobile taking 3G nationwide on October 1st? : Boy Genius Report (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/07/t-mobile-taking-3g-nationwide-on-october-1st/)

[tazeat]

Well I have always owned ATT phones... Well except for one shortlived Pearl a couple years ago.

Been on T-Mo as a service provider forever though (y), shame the phones don't come unlocked!

[Black Bart]

I just got a new date for the bb9000 by tmobile. its going to be Oct 1. The 3G systems will also be up and running that day. I got all of this info from my girlfriend, who would never lie.

[g_patrick15]

What happened to the 17, which she also would never lie about??? I hope its the first of oct, as all signs point to 3G going live on that day

[GregH-BBPearl]

& it IS always about the money! always!!

[BBSwany]

What happened to the 17, which she also would never lie about??? I hope its the first of oct, as all signs point to 3G going live on that day

I hope so too but I highly doubt it. I haven't even heard of a T-Mobile U.S. Bold in the wild. If they were going to release it the day 3G goes live, there would be alot of prototypes out there testing bandwith and antenna reception. And with only 71 days left, there would have been a leak somehwere. It's becoming more and more apparent that the Javelin and not the Bold will be hitting T-Mobile U.S' inventory. :-(

[numetheus]

I hope so too but I highly doubt it. I haven't even heard of a T-Mobile U.S. Bold in the wild. If they were going to release it the day 3G goes live, there would be alot of prototypes out there testing bandwith and antenna reception. And with only 71 days left, there would have been a leak somehwere. It's becoming more and more apparent that the Javelin and not the Bold will be hitting T-Mobile U.S' inventory. :-(

Didn't we already know this though? There have been tons of leaked information about Jevelin being released for TMO and not the Bold.

[BBSwany]

Didn't we already know this though? There have been tons of leaked information about Jevelin being released for TMO and not the Bold.

Yes and No. When the Bold was originally announced at WES. RIM had said there would be a T-Mobile U.S. 3G capable Bold. Timeline was never discussed though. It would be nice to see a T-Mobile U.S. Bold, but definitely not anytime soon.

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

Didn't we already know this though? There have been tons of leaked information about Jevelin being released for TMO and not the Bold.

Yes and No. When the Bold was originally announced at WES. RIM had said there would be a T-Mobile U.S. 3G capable Bold. Timeline was never discussed though. It would be nice to see a T-Mobile U.S. Bold, but definitely not anytime soon.

Oh yeah I knew it would have been released eventually, like the 8800 and 8300 series came out for it eventually. This is business as usual with them getting consumer oriented model first.

[BBSwany]

Wirelessly posted
Oh yeah I knew it would have been released eventually, like the 8800 and 8300 series came out for it eventually. This is business as usual with them getting consumer oriented model first.

Yep.. It's just T-Mobile's demographic. They have the younger crowd and market to that base. AT&T is more adult and corporate oriented. And they have more $$$. ;-)

[Black Bart]

I have just checked again. The date is Oct 1.

[Nyce22]

The bold "should" be released from T-Mobile US January 2009, about 3 months after AT&T. They want to get this release out, then work on T-Mo's 3g unit. They can easily get that done by January. At least this is what I was told from my T-Mo rep. I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T doesn't get it until late September. At this point though, who knows. I do feel that they will get it eventually.

[numetheus]

The bold "should" be released from T-Mobile US January 2009, about 3 months after AT&T. They want to get this release out, then work on T-Mo's 3g unit. They can easily get that done by January. At least this is what I was told from my T-Mo rep. I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T doesn't get it until late September. At this point though, who knows. I do feel that they will get it eventually.

If there is one thing I know about store reps, is that they are all idiots. A store rep knows no more about releases than Joe Shabibi knows about cow anatomy at the Rib Shack. I mean lets be real, they are the last to know anything. At minimum wage, no confidential information is shared with them.

If I had a penny for every WRONG release date guess that people heard from a store employee .... I would have enough money to buy myself a bacon ultimate cheeseburger at Jack in the Box, and probably curly fries and a coke.

[Nyce22]

If there is one thing I know about store reps, is that they are all idiots. A store rep knows no more about releases than Joe Shabibi knows about cow anatomy at the Rib Shack. I mean lets be real, they are the last to know anything. At minimum wage, no confidential information is shared with them.

If I had a penny for every WRONG release date guess that people heard from a store employee .... I would have enough money to buy myself a bacon ultimate cheeseburger at Jack in the Box, and probably curly fries and a coke.

I agree!! But I do think that they will get the bold in time. infosyncworld.com has the same date too.

[numetheus]

I agree!! But I do think that they will get the bold in time. infosyncworld.com has the same date too.

Okay so that's a little more believable. The store rep probably got it from Infosync. What I can't stand are the supposed store reps that say they got this information from "their vendor." In reality, their vendor contact is probably just a customer service rep or a mail room employee.

[tteixeira]

Ok probably wrong place for this but here goes. Anyone know if I can get a data plan for a BB in the States for use in UK, Spain, and Portugal. I go there every year and spend most time in Portugal. Unfortunately the voice is easy just get a pay as you go and change the sim but for data they want to sign a 3 year contract. I'm only there 4 or 5 weeks out of the year. When I am there tho I really need data, and voice if it were worth it.

[gshine666]

Engadget is reporting (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/07/30/t-mobile-3g-service-coming-october-1-to-27-markets/) a Tmobile 3G rollout in several areas in the US on October 1. I hope this means a Tmobile Bold release is possible.

[david_uk]

Ok probably wrong place for this but here goes. Anyone know if I can get a data plan for a BB in the States for use in UK, Spain, and Portugal. I go there every year and spend most time in Portugal. Unfortunately the voice is easy just get a pay as you go and change the sim but for data they want to sign a 3 year contract. I'm only there 4 or 5 weeks out of the year. When I am there tho I really need data, and voice if it were worth it.

Yes this is the wrong place but I'll respond anyway.

I'd suggest you do absolutely nothing except take your BB to Portugal and enjoy.

Although voice roaming charges are sky high as we all know, BB data is highly compressed and in my experience, per Kb charges for messaging are surprisingly modest.

If you plan to browse, I'd recommend you use Opera Mini which strips out data your browser can't render properly at the server end and sends only what's useful. This can save up to 75% of data volume and is faster, too.

[Black Bart]

Engadget is reporting (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/07/30/t-mobile-3g-service-coming-october-1-to-27-markets/) a Tmobile 3G rollout in several areas in the US on October 1. I hope this means a Tmobile Bold release is possible.

I told you so. My girlfriend is reliable.

[numetheus]

Wirelessly posted

Engadget is reporting (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/07/30/t-mobile-3g-service-coming-october-1-to-27-markets/) a Tmobile 3G rollout in several areas in the US on October 1. I hope this means a Tmobile Bold release is possible.

I'm sure it will be released eventually. But it won't happen for a while. For tmobile, I bet we will see Javelin and the flip phone before Bold. Its thw way Tmo has always worked. They get consumer models before the business minded one. They didn't get their 88xx series phone until late, and it will be same with Bold.

[g_patrick15]

I told you so. My girlfriend is reliable.

We already knew about the 10/1 launch for 3G, but nowhere does it state that the bold will be available that day

[jpfchicago]

It's starting to look like a 4th quarter rollout for the t-mobile 9000. I am concluding that after reading all of there wonderful blogs. Say Oct 1 to Nov 20th? I would think t-mobile will try to have their 9000 on the market prior to the holidays. What a great way to roll out the 3G system.

All in all, it's exciting.

[Black Bart]

Is it possible that these 9000's being sold now.....whereever.....can be unlocked and used by tmobile clients? Just wondering. Also, will the 3g features work now?

[BBSwany]

Is it possible that these 9000's being sold now.....whereever.....can be unlocked and used by tmobile clients? Just wondering. Also, will the 3g features work now?

Most all of the 3rd party vendors selling the 9000 will be unlocked. The only ones that won't be out of the box are the devices being sold through carriers.
The device itself will work fine. On EDGE only. RIM has to design a T-Mobile U.S. 3G version of the 9000 since the frequencies are different (1700/2100MHz)

[acnst]

The Bold supporst 3G on 2100Mhz, beside 850 and 1900Mhz. As far as I know the majority of the 3G network of T-Mobile USA will be 1700Mhz. So you will only have 3G coverage in a small portion of the TMO US 3G network.

[BBSwany]

The Bold supporst 3G on 2100Mhz, beside 850 and 1900Mhz. As far as I know the majority of the 3G network of T-Mobile USA will be 1700Mhz. So you will only have 3G coverage in a small portion of the TMO US 3G network.

I didn't know that. I thought it had to be antenna sets to be compatible i.e. 1900/2100MHz vs. 1700/2100MHz.

[Black Bart]

I have a confirmation from my gf. She just came from a meeting and all go for the debut of the 9000 and 3G on October 1.

[jubrand]

I have a confirmation from my gf. She just came from a meeting and all go for the debut of the 9000 and 3G on October 1.


Don't tease us. T-Mobile US on 10/1? How much nationwide 3G coverage do they plan to have?

[acnst]

Is it possible that these 9000's being sold now.....whereever.....can be unlocked and used by tmobile clients? Just wondering. Also, will the 3g features work now?

Devices from T-Mobile Germany come unlocked out of the box. You could use one of these devices.

[BBSwany]

Don't tease us. T-Mobile US on 10/1? How much nationwide 3G coverage do they plan to have?

They are opening up in 27 markets. All we need now are 3G capable devices...

New York City
Austin
NJ and Long Island
Las Vagas
Minneapolis
Miami
Dallas
Chicago
Houston
Philadelphia
Denver
Detroit
Orlando
Kansas city
Atlanta
Los Angeles
New England
Portland
Sacramento
San Diego
Seattle
Washington DC
San Francisco
Birmingham
Memphis
Tampa
Phoenix

[proussak]

I have a confirmation from my gf. She just came from a meeting and all go for the debut of the 9000 and 3G on October 1.

Be still my beating heart! In what country?

[Black Bart]

Oct 1 in the US of A. I even saw one of the promo pamplets they will be using.

[rambo47]

And just how does this date hold up when AT&T has a 3-month exclusive?