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martin_j001
10-23-2005, 07:44 PM
Bluetooth Sync with 7100i

I have just found more information on this process. Contrary to what some have said (and unfortunately I have repeated), you do not need to be on a BES to have access to wireless sync using BT and Desktop Manager. Here is what is required:
--Desktop Manager v4.1 or later
--Widnows XP with Service Pack 2
--compatible BT adapter for PC (compatible with XP SP2 that is)
--Blackberry handheld with v4.1 or later, with Firewall disabled

Desktop Manager v4.1 is available from RIM, if you haven’t already you will need to donwload it. Visit your providers site and then follow links to download the latest software for your device—both handheld and desktop should be available from that same site.

Now, you can’t just use a random USB BT adapter, you have to choose one from Microsoft’s list of “approved” adapters that have built in drivers within SP2. So, the list is available in article ID 841803 of Microsofts Help and Support site, at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;841803 . Here is the list of adapters that is supported:

ALPS Integrated Bluetooth DeviceUSB\Vid_044e&Pid_3005
Alps Bluetooth USB AdapterUSB\Vid_044e&Pid_3006
Belkin Bluetooth AdapterUSB\Vid_050d&Pid_0081
Belkin Bluetooth AdapterUSB\Vid_050d&Pid_0084
Blutonium BCM2035
Bluetooth 2.4 GHz Single Chip TransceiverUSB\VID_0A5C&PID_200A
Brain Boxes USB Bluetooth Adapter BL-554USB\Vid_05d1&Pid_0003
BCM2033 Bluetooth 2.4 GHz Single Chip TransceiverUSB\VID_0A5C&PID_200F Generic Bluetooth RadioUSB\Vid_0a12&Pid_0001
CSR NanosiraUSB\Vid_0a12&Pid_0003
CSR Nanosira WHQL Reference RadioUSB\Vid_0a12&Pid_0004
CSR Nanosira-MultimediaUSB\Vid_0a12&Pid_0005
CSR Nanosira-Multimedia WHQL Reference RadioUSB\Vid_0a12&Pid_0006
Dell TrueMobile Bluetooth ModuleUSB\VID_413C&PID_8000
FIC Bluetooth Wireless AdapterUSB\Vid_05b1&Pid_1389
GVC Bluetooth Wireless AdapterUSB\Vid_0525&Pid_a220
IBM Integrated Bluetooth IIUSB\Vid_1668&Pid_0441
Microsoft Wireless Transceiver for BluetoothUSB\Vid_045e&Pid_007e
Silicon Wave Bluetooth Wireless AdapterUSB\Vid_0c10&Pid_0000&Rev_1350
Silicon Wave Bluetooth Wireless AdapterUSB\Vid_0c10&Pid_0000
USB Bluetooth DeviceUSB\Vid_044E&Pid_3002
USB Bluetooth DeviceUSB\Vid_044E&Pid_3003
Sony Bluetooth USB AdapterUSB\Vid_044E&Pid_3004
TDK Bluetooth USB AdapterUSB\Vid_04BF&Pid_0319
TDK Bluetooth USB AdaptorUSB\VID_04BF&PID_0320
TOSHIBA Integrated BluetoothUSB\Vid_0930&Pid_0502&Rev_1350
TOSHIBA Integrated Bluetooth 2USB\Vid_0930&Pid_0505
Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth ModuleUSB\VID_413C&PID_8103
Bluetooth USB Adapter (BT-51x serial)USB\Vid_0b7a&Pid_07d0&Rev_0126
Bluetooth USB Adapter (BT-51x serial)USB\Vid_0b7a&Pid_07d0&Rev_0133
"HP USB BT Transceiver [1.2]"USB\Vid_03F0&Pid_0C24
IBM Integrated Bluetooth IIIUSB\Vid_1668&Pid_2441
Microsoft Wireless Transceiver for Bluetooth 2.0USB\Vid_045e&Pid_009c
Motion Computing USB Bluetooth DeviceUSB\Vid_10ab&Pid_1002
USB Bluetooth Wireless AdapterUSB\Vid_1310&Pid_0001
USB Bluetooth DeviceUSB\Vid_044E&Pid_3007
TDK Bluetooth USB AdapterUSB\Vid_04BF&Pid_0319
TDK Bluetooth USB AdapterUSB\VID_04BF&PID_0320
TOSHIBA Integrated Bluetooth 3USB\VID_0930&PID_0506
TOSHIBA Bluetooth AdapterUSB\Vid_0930&Pid_0507
Zeevo Bluetooth SolutionUSB\Vid_0b7a&Pid_07d0&Rev_0126
Zeevo Bluetooth SolutionUSB\Vid_0b7a&Pid_07d0&Rev_0133

To connect your device to your PC using USB, you will need to disable your firewall on the handheld, as this will block/close your connection quite quickly (from my own experience at least). Once you have a supported USB BT adapter installed, you need to enable Desktop Manager to detect a bt setting. To do this, go to your PC’s start menu, then to Programs, Blackberry, and select Blackberry Device Manager. Once this is open (usually in your start up tray in the lower left), right click on it and choose Properties. You need to check the box next to “Endable Bluetooth”, and then click on the Configure button. From here, click on Add and select your device from the list. Now, go to the Connection Settings of your Desktop Manager application and click the “Detect” button to force Desktop Manager to look for your device. You can also choose to check the box allowing you to use both USB and BT connections to your PC that is in the Connection Settings window.

Resources for further investigation:
http://www.blackberry.com/knowledgecenterpublic/livelink.exe?func=ll&objId=1067313&objAction=browse

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;841803

Also, you can consult the Help section in Desktop Manger to find information about this process as well.

jibi
10-23-2005, 07:47 PM
did someone on BBF actually say that you needed BES for BT functionality?

martin_j001
10-23-2005, 07:57 PM
Yes, that was a response given in the "7100i review thread", on the second page. It was also posted in response, by the same user, on blackberrycool's site when they originally posted the article with info saying it would be supported.... and I mistakenly repeated it, once, not being able to find more information about it until now (even though I was just looking in the wrong places, DOH).

acm
10-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Help please -

My computer and BB meets all of the requirements but when I open the BB Device Manager I cannot check the box "Enable Bluetooth Support" because it is grayed out? I read all of the steps in the read me file and help on the BB devivce manager and everything seems to be in place. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks - ACM

martin_j001
10-23-2005, 08:40 PM
ACM--is your bluetooth adapter on the list approved by Microsoft? If you had to install drivers, its not "approved"....this is what happened to me using a Kensington USB adapter.....

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 08:47 PM
On the BlackBerry device, the Bluetooth Options screen must display Desktop Connectivity and Wireless Bypass in the Services list. If it doesn't then BT Sync will not work.

As mentioned before, this is included with BES 4.0 SP3. I am not real hip on BIS, so I have no idea what would need to get pushed to the handheld in order to enable this feature. I do know that it is not enabled by default in device OS 4.1 for the 7100i.

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 08:50 PM
http://www.blackberry.com/knowledgecenterpublic/livelink.exe/fetch/2000/8021/1067148/1067313/How_To_-_Set_up_Bluetooth_PC_Connectivity.html?nodeid=1067250&vernum=0

DSS597
10-23-2005, 09:02 PM
Here's the problem that I had and I'm trying to fix it now.

Right out of the box my 7100i had 4 Bluetooth services: "Headset", "Handsfree", "Desktop Connectivity" and "Wireless Bypass". As soon as I hot sync'd with BES, "Desktop Connectivity" and "Wireless Bypass" went away. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to get those back.

My question to jibi earlier was can I completly get rid of the BES "Desktop" profile and it's service books, do a fresh install of the 4.1 O.S., and get all of those Bluetooth services back? Wouldn't it be like fresh out the box again?

jibi
10-23-2005, 09:09 PM
assuming that it is policy that disabled those due to not recognizing them, a reinstallation will not remove the policy from the handheld.

...but thats a rather unknown assumption, as well.

DSS597
10-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Hey Jibi,

Is there a way to put the 7100i back to its out of the box status? (I so wish I had backed it up right out of the box before doing anything to it.)

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 09:30 PM
BUMP

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 09:33 PM
Hey Jibi,

Is there a way to put the 7100i back to its out of the box status? (I so wish I had backed it up right out of the box before doing anything to it.)


I believe if you wipe the handheld and then goto the nextel/sprint website

http://www.nextel.com/en/solutions/blackberry/index.shtml?id8=blackberry

and download the system software for your BB it will bring it to original state

DSS597
10-23-2005, 09:34 PM
Copy that!

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 09:34 PM
FYI i have dlink bluetooth adapter and was able to sync via bluetooth no problem

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 09:39 PM
I believe if you wipe the handheld and then goto the nextel/sprint website

http://www.nextel.com/en/solutions/blackberry/index.shtml?id8=blackberry

and download the system software for your BB it will bring it to original state


It will not remove the IT policy already applied by your BES Server. Same scenerio as with Handheld Security.

DSS597
10-23-2005, 09:51 PM
Thanks for all of that J.

I sooooooo regret doing that hot sync at work with BES. So that IT policy is stuck on the BlackBerry for life then? Keep in mind, I'm not going to hot sync it with BES EVER again after this. So the wipe wouldn't give me the fresh factory install with all BT services again? I actually have the 4.1 OS downloaded directly from BlackBerry and not Sprint/Nextel.

I'm just asking this as to make sure that we're on the same page. I don't have to be on BES, I just choose to be. At this point I want to wipe it clean and then "choose" to not use BES. I'd much rather have my BT services.

Thanks again for the help.

acm
10-23-2005, 09:52 PM
Two questions:

> How do you back up the BB?

> My BT adapter is the My Bluetooth Places that came installed with Dell TrueMobile Bluetooth ModuleUSB\VID_413C&PID_8000. I read on a link that My Bluetooth Places has to be uninstalled and to use the WXP SP2 BT driver. It seems like it should be easier, that's the whole point of BT.

ehickcox, how did you get yours to work?

Thanks - ACM

DSS597
10-23-2005, 10:00 PM
These two links pretty much tell you it all:

http://www.blackberry.com/knowledge...bjAction=browse

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;841803

If you're not using "Bluetooth Devices" in your Control Panels with the lil' Bluetooth icon in the tray of Windows than you're NOT on the right track. I got mine to work by reading those two links. You can't use "My Bluetooth Places". You can't use "Bluetooth Configuration". ONLY "Bluetooth Devices".

Hope that helps.

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 10:01 PM
Two questions:

> How do you back up the BB?

> My BT adapter is the My Bluetooth Places that came installed with Dell TrueMobile Bluetooth ModuleUSB\VID_413C&PID_8000. I read on a link that My Bluetooth Places has to be uninstalled and to use the WXP SP2 BT driver. It seems like it should be easier, that's the whole point of BT.

ehickcox, how did you get yours to work?

Thanks - ACM

I just made my BB discoverable and opened up BB device manager Properties, Device Connection, check the Enable bluetooth support and then hit configure bluetooth. Note be sure you have the newest drivers for your truemobile dell adapter, i also have a dell laptop but they have some wierd problems with there truemobile stuff

acm
10-23-2005, 10:05 PM
My "Enable bluetooth support" box is grayed out so I can't check the box?

I have a Dell Lattitude D800, the version of "My Bluetooth Places" is 3.0.1.803, WIDCOMM Inc., 2000-2004.

Thanks ACM

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 10:07 PM
Thanks for all of that J.

I sooooooo regret doing that hot sync at work with BES. So that IT policy is stuck on the BlackBerry for life then? Keep in mind, I'm not going to hot sync it with BES EVER again after this. So the wipe wouldn't give me the fresh factory install with all BT services again? I actually have the 4.1 OS downloaded directly from BlackBerry and not Sprint/Nextel.

I'm just asking this as to make sure that we're on the same page. I don't have to be on BES, I just choose to be. At this point I want to wipe it clean and then "choose" to not use BES. I'd much rather have my BT services.

Thanks again for the help.

Here is the skinny fact:

The 2 policies are available and enabled for out of the box handhelds. Therefore, using this on a BIS or Web Client will work, as they do not enforce policies like the BES enviornment does.

Since these 2 policies are not recognized on the BES until SP3, they are removed once the IT Policy is applied after activation. Recommended solution is to wait until SP3 is out (week or so) and set both policies under BT to Flase.

PS. Trying to force them now through ITPolicy.exe will not work, as I tried and the application does not recognize the two commands.

Also, a full backup out of the box would not backup/restore an IT Policy after it was applied.

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 10:07 PM
Backup and restore are painfully slow via bluetooth tho but day to day snycs are fine.

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 10:08 PM
My "Enable bluetooth support" box is grayed out so I can't check the box?

I have a Dell Lattitude D800, the version of "My Bluetooth Places" is 3.0.1.803, WIDCOMM Inc., 2000-2004.

Thanks ACM
what version of desktop manager are you using

jibi
10-23-2005, 10:08 PM
acm, you have to have BT installed with Microsoft BT manager not your BT hardware manufacturer's software. This is documented by RIM.

DSS, search for policy.bin on here - there should be a few threads, although you most likely still have to wait for someone who can provide you with the file to be on BES 4.0.3 before those options will be re-enabled. either that, or you could simply request it to be replaced by NXTL. the latter may be the easiest.

DSS597
10-23-2005, 10:15 PM
Yeah, thanks again jibi. I was just telling my friend the same thing. Looks like I'll be callin' up Nextel to exchange the phone. Ha, ha. I will do that search you suggested though.

597

acm
10-23-2005, 10:20 PM
ehickcox - my desktop manager version is 4.1.0.8 (Aug 18 2005).

jibi - Thanks! I did read that in the RIM site but ehickcox seemed to connect using 3rd party dirver? I am trying to avoid the work of unstalling software and changing the way the Dell was factory configured. Also, I already have my GSM cell phone's BT profile setup with the My BT Places and that was one hour on the phone with teck support with T-Mobile.

Thanks to all - ACM

ehickcox
10-23-2005, 10:25 PM
[QUOTE=acm]ehickcox - my desktop manager version is 4.1.0.8 (Aug 18 2005).

jibi - Thanks! I did read that in the RIM site but ehickcox seemed to connect using 3rd party dirver? I am trying to avoid the work of unstalling software and changing the way the Dell was factory configured. Also, I already have my GSM cell phone's BT profile setup with the My BT Places and that was one hour on the phone with teck support with T-Mobile.

Thanks to all - ACM[/QUOTE

Jibi is right tho, you will definatly have better luck with your bluetooth devices using the Generic Bluetooth Radio driver. its worth a shot. i am in fact using the DLINK driver but i know that there was alot of screwing with to even get it to work with my Ipaq, but since i have not had a problem

jibi
10-23-2005, 10:29 PM
jnelson, i just had a look at the policy stuff included with SP3, but i'm not seeing anything new. the keywords.txt file does not have anything about Bluetooth or BT in it, and neither does the policy.inf that came with it. i wish i could say that i could toy around with it some, but i honestly have no way of testing.

if you want, you can try adding the following to your policy.inf file and see if it works... just a try, though.

DisableDesktopConnectivity = false
DisableAddressBookTransfer = false
DisableWirelessBypass = false

DSS597
10-23-2005, 10:35 PM
jibi,

That will be interesting to see if that works. Keep us posted jnelson.

597

jibi
10-23-2005, 10:39 PM
you will also have to add the following to the keywords.txt file:

DisableDesktopConnectivity,bool
DisableAddressBookTransfer,bool
DisableWirelessBypass,bool

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 11:01 PM
BUMP

jibi
10-23-2005, 11:10 PM
so that worked?

DSS597
10-23-2005, 11:11 PM
Good lookin' out J.! Thanks so much. Is this confirmed working?

jibi
10-23-2005, 11:12 PM
also, just to note... after you do this, your BES will most likely throw up a status for the IT Policy as Error. your administrators will most likely notice this at some point. in other words, its a bad idea if it violates your security policy at work.

...this is why you shouldn't post it on the forum, so please remove at some point soon. we have taken the stance to not have a direct link on the website. hope you understand.

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 11:14 PM
You let me know. I cannot afford to mess with myevice right now. I can't remove my account from my BES because I am traveling.

You try and let us know. It will not do any harm. Just remember to do a wipe first and don't accessiate with your BES.

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 11:15 PM
Files will be remove in 5 minutes. DSS597 plz dl if you want to try this.

jibi
10-23-2005, 11:19 PM
DSS, the ITPolicy.exe used to generate the files is OLD. therefore, its not new. in other words, adding newer functionality may or may not work. so, you get to be guinea pig, if you want. the values above come from the simply putting the policy title together as one expression, which is what most of the other policy items were done for the original policy.inf file - such as Allow Browser became AllowBrowser. its not anywhere near rocket science and may or may not work.

jnelson2000
10-23-2005, 11:31 PM
Jibi,

Just tried it on a co-workers 7100i. It does not work. Need to wait until SP3 is released.

DSS597
10-23-2005, 11:35 PM
Copy that.

597

martin_j001
10-24-2005, 05:39 AM
On the BlackBerry device, the Bluetooth Options screen must display Desktop Connectivity and Wireless Bypass in the Services list. If it doesn't then BT Sync will not work.



Mine has both those listed in the Bluetooth Options screen.

**Sorry, didn't see this was already addressed.

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