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Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 10:26 PM
Your looking at the Cingular 8700c given to me at the NYC launch event tonite in retail box. Everyone telling you there getting them, there getting them...NOPE. They gave out VOUCHERS so when its released you can get the device, sorry chrisambo, looks like your crap out of luck, no $40 parking for a blackberry this night, :smile: Device is crazy web browsing is amazing, MSNBC loads in 10 seconds, the screen is amazing, speed and usability jumped from 7290 ten fold. Very genius device...

barjohn
11-01-2005, 10:32 PM
SO, a few questions:
1. How did you get one if everyone else got vouchers?
2. How was the voice quality and speakerphone? In the news conference today they claimed it was a major improvement over past BBs.
3. What is the holster like (plastic, leather or crappy nylon like the 7100t?
4. The news conference seemed to say they could be ordered now from B2B sales but apparently they didn't inform Cingular B2b about it and word at the show?

Thanks for the pictures.

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 10:36 PM
edit

b00st3d
11-01-2005, 10:37 PM
great pics!

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Not saying how i got it, only 7 devices were given out at this event, you can put the pieces together. Holster thank god is plastic and very fuctional. Great design, speakerphone is incredible, the best I have heard on a mobile phone. Even better than a nextel. Its not only super loud but super clear and clean. Date i heard from top cingular and RIM reps was Nov 21st, havnt heard another date.

barjohn
11-01-2005, 10:46 PM
How is typing on a keyboard that is 0.2" smaller than a 7290? Also the layout is different and the key shape is different. Any comments?

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 10:49 PM
Yeah thats a good point, I am a big QWERTY keyboard fan on mobile devices so everything from treo650 to blackberry 7290 to sidekick to whatever I bang away on, I am fastest on 7290 this took a little getting used to but within 15min im back to normal, the only thing i dont like so much is the feel of the keys very plastic feeling, but different from 7290 not at firm or solid, just me maybe...I got messed up by the TINY shift key now and kept pressing 0 but just got over that.

martythemaniak
11-01-2005, 10:56 PM
call me biased, but it is indeed a spectacular device. When I first got it I was reminded of the time I moved from a 133/16mb/dialup to a Athlon 800/256mb/broadband. :)

the only drawback is that I personally prefer the soft 7105t keys to the hard plasticy ones...

Mark Rejhon
11-01-2005, 11:00 PM
How is typing on a keyboard that is 0.2" smaller than a 7290? Also the layout is different and the key shape is different. Any comments?While we are on this subject...

I was still able to thumb touchtype on the 8700 after getting used to it. It's not as fast as the 7290 keyboard for me but I'd say about almost as good after some pratice. The 7290 would be the epitome of BlackBerry thumb keyboards (other than the 950, which was really good).

That's still impressive for a QWERTY BlackBerry device that's shrinking to becoming almost 7100/Treo size. Still vastly superior to the Treo thumb keyboard.

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:00 PM
Yeah thats a good point sometimes its hard to push the soft keys, but overall its still a STUPID device. Especially for blackberry like pocket pc with EVDO ok, treo 650 blazer with EDGE ok, but for a blackberry? this thing screams on the web and applications. Whats really cool is in messages when you select compose email or whatever in the to: field you can just start typing the contacts name and boom thats it no more seperate screen into address book then selected and back to messages.

dert
11-01-2005, 11:01 PM
what about preloaded Im

barjohn
11-01-2005, 11:01 PM
I hope the keyboard is better than you are making it sound. That would be my big gripe with the T650, HP 6500, and other tiny keyboard devices. At some point you trade off efficiency for size (unless you have small hands which most men don't). Too many typing errors and you start hating to type and send messages. While I can type on the small round keys of the HP I really don't like to. The PPC 6700 keyboard is much easier to use but poor back lighting and layout hurt the usability. I sure liked the old 950 keyboard. Man could I type fast on that device! Of course it is 3.1" vs. 2.7" or almost 1/2 an inch narrower keyboard.

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:01 PM
Yeah, good point mark. Still not 7290 keyboard status, but definatly workable.

dert
11-01-2005, 11:03 PM
oh and any pics of 8700 in holster

barjohn
11-01-2005, 11:10 PM
To put size in perspective:
8700c 4.3" x 2.7" x .77" 4.7oz
7290 4.5" x 2.9" x.9" 4.9oz
5790 4.6" x 3.1" x .7" 4.9oz
HW6510 4.65" x 2.8" x .71" 5.8oz
Moto Q 4.6" x 2.5" x .45"
Nokia E61 4.6" x 2.74" x .55" 4.9oz

This means that the 8700c is more narrow than the HP (with hard to use keyboard) and only slightly thicker. I will take both with me to show and take pictures side by side if they let me.

Mark Rejhon
11-01-2005, 11:13 PM
I hope the keyboard is better than you are making it sound. That would be my big gripe with the T650, HP 6500, and other tiny keyboard devices.It's still vastly better than the Treo keyboard. Just not as good as the 7290. Needless to say, I am still getting the 8700 when it comes out in Canada.

It's definitely a VERY usable BlackBerry keyboard. Just takes some time getting used to. Make sure to type slightly slower at first to get used to it.

barjohn
11-01-2005, 11:22 PM
I will be getting one too, I just hope I am not dissapointed in the keyboard. I added a few more devices for comparison.

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:22 PM
Will take some pictures in holster. About IM cingular still hasnt signed up the services yet, AOL/MSN/Yahoo should be 1st Quarter 06. Nothing pre-loaded now. No you will definatly not be dissapointed with keyboard, I will also take some pics of the different themes it comes pre-loaded with, one of them was the "rogers" type theme corey was referring to in another post, they all look amazing.

dert
11-01-2005, 11:29 PM
Sweet cant wait to get my hands on it. do you think verichat will work on on 8700c. do you have to change to a edge plan?

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:36 PM
Verichat should work. No plan changing at all whats weird is as soon as i got it I went to BWC and tried to change old 7290 PIN TO 8700 and it didnt work said invalid PIN, so i saw there is an icon on the desktop after u click register now that says individual email activation, I clicked tht opened web browser right up, asked for username and password, I signed in, and it said change handheld? Said yes, had my new PIN and IMEI there already, said ok, and that wwas it, no computer needed to change PIN, i have a feeling cingular will adopt the BWC-less version like t-mobile in the near future after seeing this.

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:41 PM
Here are some pictures of the themes it comes with, also with ringtones, themes etc there is an option to download more

dert
11-01-2005, 11:42 PM
ill give you $1000 for the 8700 tonight im in manhattan

dert
11-01-2005, 11:49 PM
cash in hand

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:51 PM
...

Boy Genius
11-01-2005, 11:55 PM
Yo come on man, u think I need a $1000? I offered way more than that for the device months ago, Plus thts inappropriate. Atleast private message me, i still wouldnt do it, but you putting your business out in the open.

mike_187
11-02-2005, 12:02 AM
hey can u tell me about the battery life so far how much can you get out off it, i remebr a rim egineer told me he couldnt get a day with it when it was in beta stage.

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 12:03 AM
So far so good, battery life has been great, better than 7290.

mike_187
11-02-2005, 12:05 AM
awsome, i played around with one before and loved it. cant wait a few more days.

Seattle18
11-02-2005, 12:40 AM
Question about Cingular options - I already have the MEdia Unlimited for $19.99 for my PPC, so when I "trade up" to the 8700 will that be all I need for unlimited email/web usage? Or MUST I also/instead get the BlackBerry package? I'm a longtime Treo/PPC user, and new to the BB world, so please fill me in on this. Thanks!

BTW - I really like the icons in the 1st and third pics much better than the advertised set in the second pic - glad they're all in there...

motorsport96
11-02-2005, 12:49 AM
i like it better than the blk one

rjharary
11-02-2005, 01:09 AM
motorsport is right, i was at the event tonight and the gray color is not nearly as bad as it looked in the pictures, it will be available tomorow through b2b.

paulmorley
11-02-2005, 01:10 AM
I will give you 5 billion dollars for it. ;-)

AlbertoM
11-02-2005, 01:17 AM
How does the size compare with a 7100 series?

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 01:54 AM
Size hmm. Probably as thick as 7100 series and 1.5 as wide?? Maybe little thinner than 7100-7105

singlemanriot
11-02-2005, 02:49 AM
Lets get to the real important info!

How is the functionality on "BrickBreaker"? That game has made shoping with the girl actually not such a bore.

As far as Cingular support for "BlackBerry Unlimited", I was recently told by Cingular that BBU is no longer available and has been changed to "MEdia Unlimited", I have had the MU for about two months and I see no change.

deficitism
11-02-2005, 05:23 AM
Lets get to the real important info!

How is the functionality on "BrickBreaker"? That game has made shoping with the girl actually not such a bore.


B'AHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!

AlbertoM
11-02-2005, 08:23 AM
Size hmm. Probably as thick as 7100 series and 1.5 as wide?? Maybe little thinner than 7100-7105
As long?


(not that size matters, you understand...) :oops:

barjohn
11-02-2005, 09:11 AM
Device Specifications BlackBerry 7100t BlackBerry 8700c
Size and Weight
Length 4.7" / 11.9cm 4.3" / 11.0cm
Width 2.3" / 5.8cm 2.7" / 6.95cm
Depth 0.8" / 1.9cm 0.77" / 1.95cm
Weight 4.2oz / 120g 4.7oz / 134g

No definitely not as long so if size matters you are out of luck!

SUFan
11-02-2005, 09:13 AM
I know you talked about the speaker phone quality but how is the quality when holding it up to your ear? Also, notice any improvement (loudness) when using a BT headset?

Bear
11-02-2005, 09:31 AM
Dang...now I really want this one.

Can't wait until it comes to TMOB.

takeshi
11-02-2005, 09:34 AM
Are these initial Cingular 8700's unlocked like the 7290's were when Cingular first got them?

zma
11-02-2005, 09:58 AM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry 7520: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry7520/4.0.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

I like it. This is the handset that will finally break me away from Nextel.

plakius
11-02-2005, 10:01 AM
i was at the event last night .... i agree with the fellas the keyboard is slightly different but i am sure after only a few hours you'll get used to it ..... i love the "list" menu..... it was my favorite feature on the 7100 but after a month or so and that sad excuse for a keyboard not being what i wanted nor needed i switched over to the 7290 ..... i scored my invite from bbhub , when i got there i was issued an orange lanyard which means on your way out you get NADA .... i left with a big frown and was told i had to wait until november 21st ..... what is this voucher you talk about?? .... WAAAAAA I WANT AN 8700!!!!

rjharary
11-02-2005, 10:33 AM
i was at the event last night .... i agree with the fellas the keyboard is slightly different but i am sure after only a few hours you'll get used to it ..... i love the "list" menu..... it was my favorite feature on the 7100 but after a month or so and that sad excuse for a keyboard not being what i wanted nor needed i switched over to the 7290 ..... i scored my invite from bbhub , when i got there i was issued an orange lanyard which means on your way out you get NADA .... i left with a big frown and was told i had to wait until november 21st ..... what is this voucher you talk about?? .... WAAAAAA I WANT AN 8700!!!!


The voucher was given out toward the end, it was inside the lance book, after the bags ran out. BRICKBREAKER, is the same one as on 7100! and this is good news for me! top score..... 12680

barjohn
11-02-2005, 10:51 AM
By the way, the info that was given out at the press conference yesterday and told to some at last night's event that the 8700 would be available for order from B2B sales today appears to be incorrect from the B2B sales folks I have spoken with. ANyone else heard anything different? Given how poorly informed they tend to be it may just be the two I spoke with.

chad5
11-02-2005, 11:10 AM
could you ask them when it might really be availible on Tmo net work?

Thanks! (y)

bperkins
11-02-2005, 11:14 AM
I called yesterday too after listening to Kent Mathy (Cingular's President of Business Markets Group) say that it was available today for ordering via the B2B sales force.

Yesterday when I called they said that it was not showing up in their warehouse so I could not place an order. Today they said they could not find any info (profile) on it. I emailed my rep and he said as soon as he is able to place an order he would call me.

kwilkins
11-02-2005, 11:18 AM
I know you talked about the speaker phone quality but how is the quality when holding it up to your ear? Also, notice any improvement (loudness) when using a BT headset?

Below is a quote from PCmag review of the 8700c. They are not impressed with the audio!

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But BlackBerrys have generally been mediocre phones, and the 8700c is no exception. Its earpiece is loud and the speakerphone very loud, but the built-in microphone is poor at canceling background noise and we experienced several audio dropouts and fluctuations during test calls despite the BlackBerry's interface reporting full signal strength.

When the audio wasn't dropping out, it was sharp with a strong high-pitched or shrill quality. But there's one big phone feature missing: voice dialing (what do the folks at RIM have against this feature?).

Mr Pink57
11-02-2005, 11:35 AM
Just curious cause maybe I missed it... but does this BB have GPS like the 7520 and 7100i?

By the way thanks for the pics, they look great.

pink

crisambo
11-02-2005, 12:10 PM
Your looking at the Cingular 8700c given to me at the NYC launch event tonite in retail box. Everyone telling you there getting them, there getting them...NOPE. They gave out VOUCHERS so when its released you can get the device, sorry chrisambo, looks like your crap out of luck, no $40 parking for a blackberry this night, :smile: Device is crazy web browsing is amazing, MSNBC loads in 10 seconds, the screen is amazing, speed and usability jumped from 7290 ten fold. Very genius device...

Genius, you're right... didn't pay $40 for parking, only $20 . . . well worth the trip considering open bar... never mind the warm Heini . . . Vodka Cranberry / Rhum Coke all the way . . .

My Cingular rep personally introduced me to apps vendors, tried out the berry and do agree with boygenius that it's fast on the browsing function. I had a TMO 7290 run same pages and 8700 loaded pics faster w/ more vivid colors. Email message preview with split screen similar to outlook. Office docs & SS viewing & printing directly from BB was great.. . didn't leave with an 8700 in hand but the good news is that these vendors are kicking the apps in my device when it's sent on 11/14 thanks to my able and connected rep . . .

NO VOUCHERS either, they were thank you cards for attending and continues to say that a Cingular rep will contact attendee to arrange delivery of the 8700. Don't think that you can exchange voucher for device at any store. Everything will be dependent on the registration info.

As the event was winding down, guy at registration booth was busy inputting on his notebook nametags that were unclaimed (no shows). I guess, that's less BB's to send out . . .

Wiseass
11-02-2005, 12:25 PM
I was told by my cingular rep that we'll have ours Nov 21st. Sadly I'm out that week for thanksgiving vacation but I may have to stop at the office to pick it up if it indeed does get here :)


Also going to the Chicago event tonight in Evanston, should be fun!

AlbertoM
11-02-2005, 12:47 PM
. i love the "list" menu..... it was my favorite feature on the 7100 but after a month or so and that sad excuse for a keyboard not being what i wanted nor needed i switched over to the 7290 ..
I think if you check the theme pictures, the "list menu" a la 7100 is there...

SUFan
11-02-2005, 12:50 PM
Below is a quote from PCmag review of the 8700c. They are not impressed with the audio!

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But BlackBerrys have generally been mediocre phones, and the 8700c is no exception. Its earpiece is loud and the speakerphone very loud, but the built-in microphone is poor at canceling background noise and we experienced several audio dropouts and fluctuations during test calls despite the BlackBerry's interface reporting full signal strength.

When the audio wasn't dropping out, it was sharp with a strong high-pitched or shrill quality. But there's one big phone feature missing: voice dialing (what do the folks at RIM have against this feature?).


That's Depressing.

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 12:54 PM
Device is SIM locked to Cingular, I have confirmed that Cingular has a 90-day exclusive with the 8700 for the US. Have not heard a firm Rogers release date but the 15th might be a go. Not really sure. In regards to that review on the phone features I have never ever used the blackberry as aphone it is email only and have a seperate phone, just to test this out a couple times the wired headset worked beautifully, bluetooth flawlessly, and the device itself amazing, send end is extremely fast no delay, the speakerphone is incredible, best I have heard on mobile phone, there have been no audio problems, works like any normal phone. Nothing bad to say about the device at all, got used to keyboard and like it better now than 7290. Just need that AIM on here, and no, no verichat, i will take webmessenger over verichat anyday of the week. :smile:

barjohn
11-02-2005, 01:02 PM
I read that 3rd party software for older BBs (prior to 8700) may need to be recompiled to work on the 8700. Anyone else see that and know anything about it?

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 01:38 PM
Yeah that's why I'm a little shaded out about adding software, it should make much of a difference I'm sure the core code is pretty much the same. By the way Pink on the unit I have and I believe all cingular units there is no GPS builtin.

DavidE
11-02-2005, 02:02 PM
I read that 3rd party software for older BBs (prior to 8700) may need to be recompiled to work on the 8700. Anyone else see that and know anything about it?Assuming that what you've read is true, I would guess the switch to a new family of processors is the cause. Many generic J2ME programs would still work, but programs that talk directly to the hardware might need to be recompiled for the Intel processor.

DavidE
www.davidenglish.com

b00st3d
11-02-2005, 02:26 PM
Device is SIM locked to Cingular, I have confirmed that Cingular has a 90-day exclusive with the 8700 for the US.

do you think original at&t sims will work? i have my at&t sim in my 7100 and it works perfectly...just wondering if the 8700 will accept the sim as well?!

crisambo
11-02-2005, 02:40 PM
do you think original at&t sims will work? i have my at&t sim in my 7100 and it works perfectly...just wondering if the 8700 will accept the sim as well?!

If you're SIM is what they call Cingular Blue, then you can probably use it on the 8700 and update your account over the myCingular BB webclient website for device provisioning.

https://webclient.blackberry.net/WebMail/Window.jsp?site=mycingular

barjohn
11-02-2005, 03:06 PM
I hate to sound dumb ...but what is Cingular Blue?

dert
11-02-2005, 03:08 PM
how is the holster on 8700 is it like 72xx holster

blkberryboy
11-02-2005, 03:09 PM
Doesnt sound dumb, I believe it is term used for ATTWS now that cingular owns them.

crisambo
11-02-2005, 03:10 PM
I hate to sound dumb ...but what is Cingular Blue?
They're the AT&T GSM customers that got grandfathered into Cingular after the acquisition, AT&T had blue logo. Cingular Orange are direct then and current Cingular customers. At one point, AT&T was running on CDMA & GSM.

holywarrior74
11-02-2005, 04:02 PM
any word on if or when nextel will get the 8700 i love nextel but will switch to get this phone

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 04:09 PM
Att was running TDMA and GSM actually

bperkins
11-02-2005, 04:12 PM
Just need that AIM on here, and no, no verichat, i will take webmessenger over verichat anyday of the week. :smile:

Thanks again for your contributions. Does it have the BlackBerry Chat program on it? Also any idea if it will fit in the 72XX series cradles? That is if you have one.

Mark Rejhon
11-02-2005, 04:14 PM
I read that 3rd party software for older BBs (prior to 8700) may need to be recompiled to work on the 8700. Anyone else see that and know anything about it?Not all of them. Some of them need to be, some works out of the box.

corey@12mile
11-02-2005, 04:25 PM
any word on if or when nextel will get the 8700 i love nextel but will switch to get this phone

I'm sure there was lots of talk about when Nextel would get an 8700 at the Cingular launch... positive... sure... must have been...

zma
11-02-2005, 05:10 PM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry 7520: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry7520/4.0.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Seeing as they just got a 7100, I'm sure it will be sometime soon :P

mediaone
11-02-2005, 05:31 PM
If you're SIM is what they call Cingular Blue, then you can probably use it on the 8700 and update your account over the myCingular BB webclient website for device provisioning.

https://webclient.blackberry.net/WebMail/Window.jsp?site=mycingular

I have a feeling it may not work, unless they release a 8700c on the blue side. Currently, AFAIK, devices are locked to orange or blue, respectively. I have a 7100 with no branding but my AT&T sim will not work in a cingular 7100 or 7290 and vice versa. Unless the 8700 comes unlocked that is....

Stinsonddog
11-02-2005, 05:51 PM
Could this be the reason they were not handed out. Your rep needs to determine which one to send to you.


I have a feeling it may not work, unless they release a 8700c on the blue side. Currently, AFAIK, devices are locked to orange or blue, respectively. I have a 7100 with no branding but my AT&T sim will not work in a cingular 7100 or 7290 and vice versa. Unless the 8700 comes unlocked that is....

mrogers
11-02-2005, 06:27 PM
I am so, SO glad they put some good looking themes on there. That default Cingular one is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Thanks for the great pics! How about one or two of the device in the holster?

Boy Genius
11-02-2005, 06:44 PM
Ok will post some in holster. Older holsters will not work its a new kind of holster the way the device is held in it.

mediaone
11-02-2005, 07:57 PM
Could this be the reason they were not handed out. Your rep needs to determine which one to send to you.

Let's hope so, but I have a feeling it may never be released for Cingular Blue customers...That would force everyone to migrate. I doubt that will happen though. Too many NBO customers to piss off and lose money.

Of course, there is no reason these phones should be locked between AT&T and Cingular in the first place. It is a pain esp when the box says cingular, the device says cingular, but a cingular sim will not work!

AlbertoM
11-02-2005, 08:54 PM
I'm sure there was lots of talk about when Nextel would get an 8700 at the Cingular launch... positive... sure... must have been...
ROTFLMAO!!

b00st3d
11-02-2005, 10:50 PM
I have a feeling it may not work, unless they release a 8700c on the blue side. Currently, AFAIK, devices are locked to orange or blue, respectively. I have a 7100 with no branding but my AT&T sim will not work in a cingular 7100 or 7290 and vice versa. Unless the 8700 comes unlocked that is....

currently i am using a cingular branded 7100 with a at&t blue sim card and did not have to unlock the phone...phone/data work perfectly and i am on a bes server as well...this is why i was wondering if my sim would work in the 8700 as well...

kitmoni
11-02-2005, 11:51 PM
Nice work boygenious. Now if we can just get Sprint to release this thing...

mediaone
11-03-2005, 01:28 AM
currently i am using a cingular branded 7100 with a at&t blue sim card and did not have to unlock the phone...phone/data work perfectly and i am on a bes server as well...this is why i was wondering if my sim would work in the 8700 as well...

Hmm, well maybe a batch is unlocked. Do you have a Cingular SIM card you can try in it? The reason I ask is, I have a Cingular Blue (AT&T) 7100g that is cingular branded, but only the AT&T sim works. The Cingular will not. Same with a 7290. It says Cingular but must be simlocked to old Blue SIM cards

singlemanriot
11-03-2005, 01:50 AM
In the name of asking dumb obvious questions, since AT&T is Cingular now, wouldnt they exchange the SIM if a "blue" SIM did'nt work? Would'nt they be trying to phase out the AT&T customers and migrate these people over to full Cingular customers, no?

As far as all the questions about when (insert service here) will get the phone, it seems pretty obvious that a large promo for the 8700 in in the works from Cingular, I would guess that Cingular worked it out that they will be the sole Provider for at least a few months (ala Treo / Sprint) - Look how many people T-Mobile has tricked into their service with a desired product.

bperkins
11-03-2005, 08:19 AM
Boy Genius Is the screen under plastic as the 7100? Or is like the 72xx series?

From the pictures it looks as if it is under plastic.

smigs
11-03-2005, 10:33 AM
In the name of asking dumb obvious questions, since AT&T is Cingular now, wouldnt they exchange the SIM if a "blue" SIM did'nt work? Would'nt they be trying to phase out the AT&T customers and migrate these people over to full Cingular customers, no?


When I called about this phone, the lady I spoke with said that she has not heard of the phone, but the computer says that it will be available to current Cingular and former ATT wireless customers (me). That is all she could currently tell me about the phone (no pricing, when available, etc.).

Hope this helps,
smigs

mike_187
11-03-2005, 12:54 PM
the screen of the phone is under plastic like the 7100. the resolution is alot nicer then the 7100 and there is super bright mode, for visiability in sunlight.

bperkins
11-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Thanks Mike! I can attest that screen quality from the David Pogue video.

kd78
11-03-2005, 02:29 PM
But BlackBerrys have generally been mediocre phones, and the 8700c is no exception. Its earpiece is loud and the speakerphone very loud, but the built-in microphone is poor at canceling background noise and we experienced several audio dropouts and fluctuations during test calls despite the BlackBerry's interface reporting full signal strength.



I really hope this isn't true. This was my only real problem with the 7100t/g series. The noise cancellation was terrible. I hope at least the reception is better with the 8700 (over the 7100t/g)

wetworker
11-03-2005, 02:35 PM
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Seattle18
11-03-2005, 07:48 PM
Thanks Mike! I can attest that screen quality from the David Pogue video.

Where is this video???

Jack T. Chance
11-03-2005, 07:49 PM
the screen of the phone is under plastic like the 7100. the resolution is alot nicer then the 7100 and there is super bright mode, for visiability in sunlight.When you say "super bright mode", do you mean the backlight goes even BRIGHTER to remain visible in sunlight? :?

Or does it turn it completely off, like on the 7200 and 7500 series?

If it needs the backlight in the sunlight, that's retarded! There was nothing wrong with the TFTs from a year or 2 ago as far as visibility in sunlight goes.

BTW, I asked at my local Cingular corporate-owned store yesterday. Asked the store manager. He still hasn't been told anything about the release date for the 8700c. All he could tell me is "I've seen what it looks like". So, at this point, we know more here than people who work at Cingular's stores know! That's hilarious! 8-)

AlbertoM
11-03-2005, 08:30 PM
Well, they probably don't need to know much until 11/21!

AlbertoM
11-03-2005, 08:30 PM
I really hope this isn't true. This was my only real problem with the 7100t/g series. The noise cancellation was terrible. I hope at least the reception is better with the 8700 (over the 7100t/g)
A review is just one person's opinion....form your own when you get it....!

bperkins
11-03-2005, 08:57 PM
Where is this video???

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/03/technology/circuits/03pogue.html

The link is on the left under the multimedia heading.

mike_187
11-03-2005, 11:25 PM
When you say "super bright mode", do you mean the backlight goes even BRIGHTER to remain visible in sunlight? :?

Or does it turn it completely off, like on the 7200 and 7500 series?

If it needs the backlight in the sunlight, that's retarded! There was nothing wrong with the TFTs from a year or 2 ago as far as visibility in sunlight goes.

BTW, I asked at my local Cingular corporate-owned store yesterday. Asked the store manager. He still hasn't been told anything about the release date for the 8700c. All he could tell me is "I've seen what it looks like". So, at this point, we know more here than people who work at Cingular's stores know! That's hilarious! 8-)


yes the screen goes even brighter in direct sunlight, because we are not dealing with the same low color lcd, u want beatifull, colorful, bright display at high resoultion, well thats where the super bright mode comes in, and i have to say it is fully usable without and problems, and automaticly switches the light modes depending on where you are. sounds kinda werid, but very cool and works very well.

foner
11-04-2005, 07:55 AM
Hey guys. I've heard it is fast on the web (words like "crazy" and "STUPID" have been used) How is the web browser?

corey@12mile
11-04-2005, 08:06 AM
If and when any of you have it and/or get it... put your thumb on the screen 1/4" to the right of dead center... it should brighten up :) damn hidden sensors...

cd.

dcfroe
11-04-2005, 08:30 AM
That video is s riot. Good info with just enough humor to make it funny.

Boy Genius
11-04-2005, 12:24 PM
Web browser is stupid and crazy :) no for real its amazing especially with javascript disabled things fly by faster than those cows in twister. Its madness

mike_187
11-04-2005, 02:30 PM
the sensor for the light is rigth where the LED is. i figured it out after playing around enough. cover the LED and you will see it brighten up.

ItsAllVerbatim
11-04-2005, 03:59 PM
I like it. This is the handset that will finally break me away from Nextel.
Don't forget that Cingular PTT service will be out by the end of the year, as well. So you won't be without PTT - as long as some of those people switch to Cingular, too.

Some people have been postulating that the 3-dot soft key on the left hand side of the 8700c is for Push to Talk.

But who knows? 8-)

MozMan68
11-04-2005, 05:12 PM
the sensor for the light is rigth where the LED is. i figured it out after playing around enough. cover the LED and you will see it brighten up.

Shouldn't it be brighter when the LED is NOT covered?? If it was covered, that would mean it is dark out and the screen would not need to be as bright.

My Audi guages have the same function....really helpful when you go through a tunnel.

Mark Rejhon
11-04-2005, 05:14 PM
Shouldn't it be brighter when the LED is NOT covered?? If it was covered, that would mean it is dark out and the screen would not need to be as bright.That's correct - That is the way the 8700 light sensor behaves. The original poster probably got confused. There is an approx 3 second filter for rapidly fluctuating light levels, so you have to cover for a moment before the gradually settles to its dimmer level.

cuniman
11-04-2005, 06:33 PM
Mark:

Apologies if I missed it in an earlier post, but can you turn off the light sensor feature and leave the screen at maximum brightness?

Charlie

AlbertoM
11-05-2005, 02:45 AM
Mark:

Apologies if I missed it in an earlier post, but can you turn off the light sensor feature and leave the screen at maximum brightness?

Charlie
Wow! That would just about kill the battery in no time....>!

mike_187
11-05-2005, 03:48 AM
Wow! That would just about kill the battery in no time....>!


yah wouldnt be good for the batter but u can do it, you can turn the light sensor off and then you can adjust the light ur self wit the button on on top left, much like the 7290.

John-Fox
11-05-2005, 08:56 AM
Was the 7100 the first BlackBerry to have separate settings for in and out of the holster? Since the 8700c comes with a plastic swivel holster, is it probable that the in and out of holster settings will not be on the 8700c?

KonTiki
11-05-2005, 09:46 AM
I have a swivel holster in my 7250 and it has settings for ina nad out of the holster, that feature is controlled bya magnet. The swivel has nothing to do with it.

Acoaxet
11-05-2005, 11:06 AM
Does anyone know when the 8700 will be available for Verizon?

John-Fox
11-05-2005, 02:51 PM
I did not think the swivel would affect it, but thought the plastic may. I knew my 7100g holster had a magnet in it, but did not know if the plastic holster would. Thanks.

mrogers
11-05-2005, 04:06 PM
I did not think the swivel would affect it, but thought the plastic may. I knew my 7100g holster had a magnet in it, but did not know if the plastic holster would. Thanks.

EVERY Blackberry for YEARS has had in- and out-of-holster settings. The 7100 was not the first. Yes, the 8700 will have a magnet in the holster, just like the 6200 series, the 6700, the 7200, and the 7700. Even the old-school 950 or whatever it was from four years ago had a magnet in the holster.

John-Fox
11-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Very good. Thank you.

Boy Genius
11-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Boy Genius does it again! 2 BlackBerry 8700c with full retail box and accessories!

Boy Genius
11-05-2005, 08:04 PM
damn 5 picture limit!

motorsport96
11-05-2005, 08:52 PM
2 boygenious, 2! i hate you...lol j/k hey...gimmi one :razz:

bperkins
11-05-2005, 11:09 PM
Sweet, thanks for the pics. Nice looking holster. Do you really need two?!? Rub it in a little more why don't ya....LOL.

Boy Genius
11-06-2005, 02:01 AM
...

Boy Genius
11-06-2005, 02:16 AM
Haha had to do that! This is the true blackberry killer!

Seattle18
11-06-2005, 04:27 AM
Kaaaaahhhhhhnnnnnn!!!!!!!

zx6racer
11-06-2005, 08:25 AM
Thats a nice BB, One of the best looking ones I've seen.

delmarco
11-06-2005, 10:01 AM
Wow, nice pictures.
The 8700 will be mine this X-Mas! Now I just gotta get rid of my awful t-mobile 7290!

One thing about the 8700 shell. It looks a little 1980's in color and design. Whiles the screen looks awesome, the rest of it looks bland, boxy and cheaper than the 7280 and 7290 sleek curvy exterior.
Its not in my hand as yet so I can't judge...but style wise is the 8700 sleeker than the 7290?
I'm sure it's better function wise...

Stinsonddog
11-06-2005, 11:16 AM
Wait till you put in your hand. I don't think you will be disappointed. My 7100 is crap compared my old 7280 in terms of build quality. The 8700 matches the 7280 IMO after using one at a launch party.

Wow, nice pictures.
The 8700 will be mine this X-Mas! Now I just gotta get rid of my awful t-mobile 7290!

One thing about the 8700 shell. It looks a little 1980's in color and design. Whiles the screen looks awesome, the rest of it looks bland, boxy and cheaper than the 7280 and 7290 sleek curvy exterior.
Its not in my hand as yet so I can't judge...but style wise is the 8700 sleeker than the 7290?
I'm sure it's better function wise...

rpfeffer
11-08-2005, 03:04 PM
people make fun of my current BB, a 7290 because of its size. They will hold a wallet to their ear and act as if that is their phone to poke fun. I think this device will make them drool. I want one!

Aroc
11-08-2005, 03:26 PM
Wow, nice pictures.
The 8700 ... looks a little 1980's in color and design. .. the rest of it looks bland, boxy and cheaper than the 7280 and 7290 sleek curvy exterior.

I guess tastes are different, to me "sleek and curvy" is so 1990s. 8-) All of the current model materialistic stuff seems to have "edge" or "new edge" styling. Just look at all of the cars. Maybe pewter gray is making a comeback as the "new" black. I dunno.

For me faster responsiveness from the device and a better screen are nice improvements. Personally I like the the blue exterior of the 7510 and 7230. I think it wears and weathers a little better. Even if they are blueberrys. Right now I'm just looking for a rugged device. To me a business tool, plain and simple. But I do respect the aesthetic concerns. That's understandable and reasonable to me. I think that's partially why the Treo 650 sells so well.

rjharary
11-08-2005, 07:20 PM
ROTFLMAO!!

What does that mean?

blkberryboy
11-08-2005, 07:25 PM
Roll On The Floor Laughing My Arse Off

Aroc
11-08-2005, 10:21 PM
people make fun of .. a 7290 because of its size. They will hold a wallet to their ear and act as if that is their phone to poke fun.

So true. I've had people say my blue 7510 looks as if I am holding an icepack on my ear! LOL. Not that it bothers me at all. I get a chuckle out of it.

AlbertoM
11-08-2005, 11:32 PM
So true. I've had people say my blue 7510 looks as if I am holding an icepack on my ear! LOL. Not that it bothers me at all. I get a chuckle out of it.
Sometimes I DO hold an icepack to my ear.... 8-)

judgenot
11-09-2005, 06:03 PM
Don't forget that Cingular PTT service will be out by the end of the year, as well. So you won't be without PTT - as long as some of those people switch to Cingular, too.

Some people have been postulating that the 3-dot soft key on the left hand side of the 8700c is for Push to Talk.

But who knows? 8-)

The 3-dot soft key on the left hand side is a "Side user-definable convenience key" according to RIM.

http://www.blackberry.com/products/pdfs/blackberry8700c_ent.pdf

I still hope it can be used for PTT.

Boy Genius
11-09-2005, 08:22 PM
Me too, that would be great use of the button... that is a definable key aswell as the one between the send and end buttons.

rpfeffer
11-14-2005, 10:31 AM
Has cingular release official news about PTT becoming available this year? If this is true, and that side button is infact able to be used for PTT, there is no doubt I'll be upgrading to this device if it is PTT-ready.

greggebhardt
11-16-2005, 06:28 PM
Not saying how i got it, only 7 devices were given out at this event, you can put the pieces together. Holster thank god is plastic and very fuctional. Great design, speakerphone is incredible, the best I have heard on a mobile phone. Even better than a nextel. Its not only super loud but super clear and clean. Date i heard from top cingular and RIM reps was Nov 21st, havnt heard another date.

Talked to my Cingular rep today and he says with out a doubt, I will will have one in my hand on the 21st. If it works well, it will be good by 7520 AND Nextel and hello Cingular. I have had an account for like 6 years with two phones for my Mom and brother and Cingular has great coverage.

I feel like a trader but the 8700 is just too sweet to pass up!

Mr Pink57
11-16-2005, 07:14 PM
I was wondering how the screen is with the auto sense feature it has on it? How exactly does that work BoyGenius?

pink

Boy Genius
11-16-2005, 07:40 PM
Very very cool feature, it basically sensing the light and adjusts accordingly, takes about 3 seconds to sense, but works very nicely. Also now as soon as you take a key on blackberry the backlight turns on, and the adjusts to the surrounding light. Kinda like the 7100 when you push the on/off button it fades up instead of the 7xxx series when its simply on or off, this fades lighter, and darker.

rpfeffer
11-17-2005, 08:52 AM
I've talked to our rep as well. I think we'll be getting an 8700 to test out initially. However, he did mention that the price tag on the 8700 will be $399. I was hoping it would be closer to 299 so I could easily pick one of these up as a personal phone... but there is just something about paying $400 for a cell phone, even if it is as sweet as the 8700 seems to be. We'll see how the test goes I guess. If it does end up being as good as it sounds, I'll probably pick one up anyway.

Dubdub
11-27-2005, 06:42 PM
Question about Cingular options - I already have the MEdia Unlimited for $19.99 for my PPC, so when I "trade up" to the 8700 will that be all I need for unlimited email/web usage? Or MUST I also/instead get the BlackBerry package? I'm a longtime Treo/PPC user, and new to the BB world, so please fill me in on this. Thanks!

BTW - I really like the icons in the 1st and third pics much better than the advertised set in the second pic - glad they're all in there...


Yes, you will need the Blackberry data plan for $44.95 on CIngular. The store originally upgraded me to the MediaNet $39.99 but it didn't work.

I upgraded from a Treo 650 to the 8700c. Got it Friday, Nov 25th. Store only had one and i called as soon as they opened and they held it for me. Fairly easy to set up. Had used a 7750 on Verizon for awhile a couple years ago.

I have 3 email accounts running to it, including my gmail. So far, so good.

Dubdub
11-27-2005, 06:43 PM
I've talked to our rep as well. I think we'll be getting an 8700 to test out initially. However, he did mention that the price tag on the 8700 will be $399. I was hoping it would be closer to 299 so I could easily pick one of these up as a personal phone... but there is just something about paying $400 for a cell phone, even if it is as sweet as the 8700 seems to be. We'll see how the test goes I guess. If it does end up being as good as it sounds, I'll probably pick one up anyway.


Mine was $349 with a $50 rebate making it $299 with a 2 year contract. From a Cingular Corporate store in the mall.

AustinMan
11-29-2005, 10:21 AM
I'm working in China for two years. I'd like to buy a 8700 for personal use -- mostly for wireless email. What type of plan will I need? Do you know anyone who is used one overseas yet?

Airpoppoff
12-05-2005, 02:55 AM
Just got mine today. Loving it. Getting used to it though.

http://www.posdsm.com/uploads/images/5/DSC03186%20%28Large%29.JPG
http://www.posdsm.com/uploads/images/5/DSC03188%20%28Large%29.JPG

Chrscott22
12-05-2005, 12:47 PM
Just got mine today. Loving it. Getting used to it though.

http://www.posdsm.com/uploads/images/5/DSC03186%20%28Large%29.JPG
http://www.posdsm.com/uploads/images/5/DSC03188%20%28Large%29.JPG


Matt??

Airpoppoff
12-05-2005, 12:50 PM
:oops: Matt??
Yeah? Who are you?

idealist
12-08-2005, 07:32 PM
BoyGenius, I am considering purchasing an 8700. Thank you for the information you have posted for us to view. I have one question, "was it unlocked when you purchased?" I am w/ TMO, but heard Cingular will unlock.

Thanks

cactus
01-05-2006, 02:13 PM
people make fun of my current BB, a 7290 because of its size. They will hold a wallet to their ear and act as if that is their phone to poke fun. I think this device will make them drool. I want one!

B'HAHAHAHA :cry: (crying laughing) thats the greatest post I've ever read in this forum! Funny stuff...

And yes, thats just one of the reasons why the overwhelming majority prefer the Treo to BB devices.

Rubicant
01-05-2006, 05:07 PM
Cactus....exactly how did you find Blackberryforums.com....shouldnt you be on Treoforums.com? :)

8700_calgary
01-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Hey have you figured out how to add an attendee to a meeting/appointment? The manual speaks of clicking the wheel to add an attendee, but this item does not show up in the menu. So far that's my only beef with the 8700r.

MobileRC
01-23-2006, 12:51 AM
you have to be on a BES to invite attendees. Alternately you can send appointments by MMS, but the recipients unit would most likely have to be able to accept mms, but I am not 100% about that.