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PacketRat
12-13-2005, 08:14 AM
I just noticed that the NUM key (cap) has NUM on the key even though its not used to enter numbers. ? Now if you hold down the ALT key then hit NUM you get the NUM sign top right. They should really rename that to CAP.


I am really starting to think this device was rushed into service before it was ready.

Stinsonddog
12-13-2005, 08:20 AM
Totaly intentional. Alt-num is num lock. The up arrow means caps.

I just noticed that the NUM key (cap) has NUM on the key even though its not used to enter numbers. ? Now if you hold down the ALT key then hit NUM you get the NUM sign top right. They should really rename that to CAP.


I am really starting to think this device was rushed into service before it was ready.

nb_mitch
12-13-2005, 08:23 AM
I guess my learning is done for the day ;) I never noticed the pop-up in the top right corner before, didn't know there was a num lock and thought the key was mislabeled too ;)

takeshi
12-13-2005, 09:22 AM
Please search or read the manual! This is covered in many many many threads...

The keys with NUM and CAP are SHIFT keys. Notice how the shift arrow is at the bottom? Also notice that the default function of every key on the BB is on the bottom? The upper/secondary functions are accessed by pressing the ALT key and this approach is thoroughly consistent on the Blackberry. NUM and CAP are the NUM and CAPS locks when used with the ALT and SHIFT keys. Every Blackberry (at least all four models that I've used) functions this way.

NJBlackBerry
12-13-2005, 09:23 AM
It is also in the online "help" system.

PacketRat
12-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Yes I am sure it is but I am looking at it from a user view. I have to make sure and take everything into consideration before I deploy these out to 900 users. How many will read the manual? maybe 10%. The rest will be calling the helpdesk. Now I can prep them with a here is why. When looking at the button the NUM shows up larger then the bottom part so looks like its the designated button. I still think its a bad idea. Maybe if it was smaller it wouldnt stand out so much.

PacketRat
12-13-2005, 11:50 AM
I would also like to add. I do consider this a helpful forum, I hope it doesn't turn into a "OMG you didn't read the manual we are going to humiliate you" type of board.

AlbertoM
12-13-2005, 12:18 PM
I would also like to add. I do consider this a helpful forum, I hope it doesn't turn into a "OMG you didn't read the manual we are going to humiliate you" type of board.
No, it isn't. But why is it easier to believe "I am really starting to think this device was rushed into service before it was ready", rather than anything else? In another words, I didn't know about it therefore is poorly designed? I think this is what generated some of those responses....

Stinsonddog
12-13-2005, 12:21 PM
Feel free to give out the tips document

I would also like to add. I do consider this a helpful forum, I hope it doesn't turn into a "OMG you didn't read the manual we are going to humiliate you" type of board.

corey@12mile
12-13-2005, 12:30 PM
If I was preparing to roll out something, and that doesn't mean it has to be a blackberry, to 900 people... I would most likely take a group of about 15 people and do a little pre-rollout testing... take 1/3 of them and give them a 1 hour training session explaing all this, and a followup 1 hour session after they have used the device for a week. Take the next third and give them some customized help documents... kinda like a 1 page, double sided cheat sheet. Take the last third and give them nothing.

This is going to do a number of things... first it's going to allow you to see what the main tech support issues are going to be, which will allow you to be prepared. It will also give you a general idea of what you are going to have to do to prep your users for a rollout like this.

I think as a responsible admin, my first thing to do is to personally read every document that came with the device, you are responsible for the whole thing, you better know it inside and out. I would then make sure that my carrier(s) has given me access to everything, including their support teams to escalate issues to and as well to provide support for the network side of the devices. I would then make sure that my TSupport account was all setup and that I would have access to complete support from the manufacturer.

No offense to you, but for a rollout the size that you are talking, if you haven't done everything I have mentioned above, maybe you shouldn't be rolling these out.

You should be able to run a pilot group of users for 2-3 wekks and have a pretty good idea of what kinda things you are going to come up against. It will also allow you to work on your default policy too as people are always tempted to do things they aren't supposed to.

cd.


Yes I am sure it is but I am looking at it from a user view. I have to make sure and take everything into consideration before I deploy these out to 900 users. How many will read the manual? maybe 10%. The rest will be calling the helpdesk. Now I can prep them with a here is why. When looking at the button the NUM shows up larger then the bottom part so looks like its the designated button. I still think its a bad idea. Maybe if it was smaller it wouldnt stand out so much.

NJBlackBerry
12-13-2005, 01:04 PM
Corey's is right on. When we rolled out the BlackBerrys we had customized laminated tip cards (5X7) made up which showed people how to do the basics, since no on reads manuals, uses online help systems, or searches. That's a reality. Then we piloted it. They we did 1 hour hands on training sessions in about a half dozen locations on three continents. I traveled a lot then ;-)

AlbertoM
12-13-2005, 02:15 PM
dupe -please delete

AlbertoM
12-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Good ideas, Corey. Probably could get by with less with a "train the trainer" approach wherein key personnel in each area get the training. The "cheat sheet" is also a good idea, NJBB. Heck, you could go through this forum and make a really good guess as to what the FAQ's are going to be...!

PacketRat
12-13-2005, 02:49 PM
Hence my observations and such before roll out. We are on hold for the 8700 roll out due to a number of reasons including known bugs in the os. Before this device gets rolled out there will be documentation done for all personal involved from the helpdesk to the on site technicians. I get information from RIM support along with other web sites. My original message was more of a statement then anything else. Do I read the manuals yes. Do I believe that this device is ready for roll out. No. Then again those are my thoughts. I am disappointed in the responses I have gotten from this message. It seems that everyone is more concerned with trying to find fault with people positing instead of sharing thoughts for a common goal which I would hope is, "we like BlackBerrys. Lets share some knowledge".

Sorry for the rant. Just my 2 cents.