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Nick DC
01-14-2006, 11:00 AM
what is the difference between the two other then one of them is locked to Cingular / Rogers and the colour of the device? everyone seems to want the 8700r??

I just bought an 8700c on ebay, I will unlock it to use it with Rogers but then i'm off to europe in 2.5 weeks..so it'll be used on another carrier anyways.

Finally, since I'll be originally putting a Rogers SIM for the remainer time that I'm here would it be adventegeous to load the Rogers BB load for the device instead of the cingular one? is there a point to-do that? I will be putting another SIM later on anyways in 3 weeks time.

Thanks!

barjohn
01-14-2006, 11:10 AM
Physically, the only difference is the color of the casing (I have both). I am on Cingular but use the Rogers load because it is more current and has a few minor bug fixes. So I would load the Rogers firmware and go off and enjoy.

Nick DC
01-14-2006, 11:15 AM
sweet thanks. I'm sure soon enough they will have the housing replacements for sale so everyone can change the color if they want?

SamBerry
01-14-2006, 02:31 PM
There must be at least some other technical differences.

I bought on eBay a battery that the seller claimed was suitable for 8700 and 8700c, and equivalent to the C-S2 battery.

My 8700r has a C-S2 battery but the one I purchased wouldn't work with it.

Long story, short. Paypal is getting me my money back.

NJBlackBerry
01-14-2006, 02:39 PM
No one else has any known technical differences. Sorry.

barjohn
01-14-2006, 02:57 PM
They both require a locked type battery that has the RIM brand. Third party batteries or older RIM batteries will not work.

rcbjr
01-14-2006, 02:57 PM
There must be at least some other technical differences.

I bought on eBay a battery that the seller claimed was suitable for 8700 and 8700c, and equivalent to the C-S2 battery.

My 8700r has a C-S2 battery but the one I purchased wouldn't work with it.

Long story, short. Paypal is getting me my money back.

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Did the "equivalent" battery have the Blackberry trademark and C-S2 marked on it? Somewhare in the RIM documentation I have seen a warning concerning non-authorized batteries causing problems. Apparently there is some special technology in the 8700 batteries. This is directed more at others that may be tempted to buy "equivalent" discount batteries that at you. You've already learned that lessen.

Hope this helps.
Rcbjr

SamBerry
01-14-2006, 08:18 PM
Here is what the seller said about the battery I bought:
"Brand New; Non-OEM...Replace Your Current Battery, Or Use As A Spare
Compatible To The RIM Blackberry C-S2 Battery
Rechargeable, With No Memory Effect
Advanced Lithium Ion Technology Makes This Possible
NOTE: Fully Compatible With The RIM Blackberry 7100, 7100i, 7100g, 7100r, 7100t, 7100v, 7100x, 7105, 7105t, 7130, 7130e, 8700, 8700c Cellular Phones."

Here is what his newer listings say:
Brand New; Non-OEM...Replace Your Current Battery, Or Use As A Spare...Rechargeable, With No Memory Effect
Advanced Lithium Ion Technology Makes This Possible
NOTE: Fully Compatible With The RIM Blackberry 7100, 7100i, 7100g, 7100r, 7100t, 7100v, 7100x, 7105, 7105t, 7130, 7130e, 8700, 8700c Cellular Phones."

He has removed the reference to C-S2.

rcbjr
01-14-2006, 11:14 PM
Well, it sounds like he's still mis-representing the facts. The 8700c requires the C-2S. It's the only one that RIM says works. Checkout the 8700 accesories at www.blackberry.com.

Hope this helps.
Rcbjr

sabesh
01-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Perhaps a complete newbie question (coming from Symbian/ MS PocketPC background):

Is it possible to flash a 8700r with 8700c software and vice versa provided that the phone is unlocked?

Thanks, Sabesh.

atomic80
01-15-2006, 09:31 AM
Can you point out what the "fixes/differences" are between the Cingular and Rogers firmware? Can a Cingular user download the Rogers firmware into the 8700c and expect it to still work well within the Cingular network? And lastly, where can we find it if it'd work well?

Thanks so much!

lrdiaz
01-15-2006, 10:41 AM
https://www.blackberry.com/SoftwareDownload/index.jsp?client=biERdLcdT

lfchristian
01-15-2006, 11:09 AM
Can anyone tell me where I could purchase an unlocked BB 8700r. I am with Cingular and I could get the 8700c but I prefer the look of the all black 8700r.

Christian

barjohn
01-15-2006, 11:24 AM
You don't have to have an unlocked unit to use Rogers firmware on a Cingular unit or vice versa. The 8700r is very dark blue, not actually black.

riley9576
01-15-2006, 11:30 AM
barjohn, you seem to have knowledge of everything going on. would you happen to have a source that could unlock the 8700r? I've tried GSMLOCKER which couldn't provide a code and everytime i contact rogers, they tell me that they can't unlock it (as of July, 2005). i don't mind paying whatever it is they're going to charge.

bryan

rcbjr
01-15-2006, 11:39 AM
Am I reading this right? How'd you get an 8700r in July?

Thanks for your Help.
Rcbjr

riley9576
01-15-2006, 11:41 AM
Am I reading this right? How'd you get an 8700r in July?

Thanks for your Help.
Rcbjr

no no ... the worldwide services people are telling me that, as of july, 2005, rogers no longer provides unlocking services.

sorry for the confusion ...

rcbjr
01-15-2006, 11:43 AM
No Problem.

barjohn
01-15-2006, 12:02 PM
I recall back when they first came on the market that there were threads talking about the fact that Rogers charged $250 to unlock the phone. I don't know of any source other than Rogers. Of course I have not looked for one either.

sabesh
01-15-2006, 01:39 PM
You don't have to have an unlocked unit to use Rogers firmware on a Cingular unit or vice versa. The 8700r is very dark blue, not actually black.
Does this mean that if I purchase a LOCKED 8700c and load it up with the Rogers O/S I will be able to use it on the Rogers network? Thanks, Sabesh.

NJBlackBerry
01-15-2006, 02:51 PM
No. If you get a locked 8700c is will work only on Cingular. You can put the Rogers software on it, but it will still only work on Cingular. If you want the 8700c to work on any other network beside Cingular you must get it unlocked.

takeshi
01-16-2006, 08:58 AM
There must be at least some other technical differences.

Nope.


My 8700r has a C-S2 battery but the one I purchased wouldn't work with it.

It may be physically compatible but only a RIM CS2 battery will work with the 8700's (in the same way that the CS1 is physically compatible with th 8700's). Odds are that the seller doesn't know what he's talking about.

yosmiley
01-16-2006, 05:40 PM
After reading the posted differences above... what I'm more interested in at this moment is the look of the two unit OS's theme (8700c & 8700r).

The 8700r looks way better in graphics compare to the 8700c. I will be getting my 8700c tomorrow (company issue). By installing the 8700r software via the BlackBerry website as mention above, will that give me the look of the 8700r theme (with the 3d graphic icon etc...)?

Thanks in advance,

Vic

Nick DC
01-16-2006, 05:48 PM
i'll be doing that too. you can load the 8700r software , i heard it has a newer release and bug fixes. plus it looks nicer.

hf1khal
01-16-2006, 06:51 PM
i'll be doing that too. you can load the 8700r software , i heard it has a newer release and bug fixes. plus it looks nicer.

I thought the bug fixes were mostly due to Rogers' issues and nothing new that will make it superior to the c version!

Nick DC
01-16-2006, 07:09 PM
no clue.. i'll be using it with rogers for a bit so i'll be doing that.

sabesh
01-16-2006, 07:57 PM
I just bought a SIM unlocked Cingular 8700c for use on the Rogers network. If I load up the Rogers software, will it get locked again? Thx, Sabesh.

barjohn
01-16-2006, 08:00 PM
No the firmware has nothing to do with SIM locking or unlocking.

joshrodriguez
01-17-2006, 10:34 AM
does anyone have detailed instructions on how to load the 8700r software on a 8700c? I downloaded the software, just a little hesitant to load it!!!

NJBlackBerry
01-17-2006, 10:44 AM
There is a sticky thread with detailed instructions.
Download the handheld code.
Execute the downloaded code.
Locate and delete "Vendor.XML" on your PC C: drive
Start Desktop Manager (and Application Loader if necessary)
Note that you may lose your applications that were loaded over the air.

Good luck.

sabesh
01-17-2006, 11:26 AM
does anyone have detailed instructions on how to load the 8700r software on a 8700c? I downloaded the software, just a little hesitant to load it!!!
I haven't tried it as I haven't received my 8700c yet, but here are the instructions:

http://www.blackberryforums.com/showthread.php?t=1871

Cheers, Sabesh.

yosmiley
01-17-2006, 11:36 PM
Well, turns out I don't have to install the 8700r firmware after all... I was able to goto the Theme settings and use the same interface the 8700r uses.