Playbook vs 'The New' iPad

[johnherdman]

Yes, the new iPad looks like to have a wicked screen, but I think the playbook is better cos :-

7" Form Factor - fits nicely into my works jacket

A true Multi-Tasking OS - Not the half hap hasserd on the iPad

Integration with the BB Phones - How does the iPad integrate with the iPhone???

Browser - True HTML 5 support unlike the iPad - and studies to back this up.

PIM Features - Best in Class.

Now the iPad has better hardware (As you would expect) but nowadays it’s all about software, and personally I think the Playbook wins hands down in this regard. The only thing the iPad has over the Playbook is the ecosystem for buying Movies/Music is better.

Yes it has more apps, but in general the apps for the Playbook are better in my personal opinion.

My Background.

I am a Apple Tech by trade, Small Business Server Specialist as well. I work for an IT Support company based in Manchester, UK.

I have had iPhones, Android phones, Still have an Xoom Tablet and the BB Curve 9360 and BB Playbook.

[Claidheamhmor]

And another one: AFAIK, the new iPad still only has mono speakers - no stereo!

[dc/dc]

What does "cos" mean?

[Dubdub]

I have email, calendar, contacts, a browser and apps I need on my iPad. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start.

That is why it is better for me.

[NJBlackBerry]

I have already ordered the iPad3 to replace my original iPad.
Having a limitless number of applications, including Skype, just works for me.
And I don't have to sideload anything. Sigh.

[Claidheamhmor]

What does "cos" mean?

Because.

[dc/dc]

Because.

In what language?

[federgejzla]

I have email, calendar, contacts, a browser and apps I need on my iPad. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start.

That is why it is better for me.

I have email, calendar, contacts, a better browser and even included apps I need on PlayBook. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start. It also shows the same emails, calendars and contacts I have other phone without even having to think of or pay for the cloud. It allows me to do my presentations anywhere with HDMI (at 1080p and 3D!) same time I am doing other things, due to multitasking. It saves me money proactively by requiring only one mobile connection and can use it even if your carrier does not let you or you don't pay for the mobile hotshot feature.

I can carry it around (unlike any iPad) and have magnificent screen detail that Apple only brought with its latest iPad3. I don't have to purchase or convert my media files. I can simply copy them over WiFi with existing and standard software. I can view and edit Office files on it without purchasing additional apps. I can send send emails and attach pictures, for example, that are either on my PlayBook or my phone. My PlayBook tells me about stuff happening on my phone. I have Video Chat application that works better than anything I have used before including Skype, with the same people on the same networks, at the same time.

I had access to the fastest, still most reliable and definitely most secure instant messaging available - BBM from the beginning. I can use my phone as a remote control for my PlayBook because my PlayBook is so versatile I need to do things like that.

And if anyone complains that some of this is via the bridge, stop and think again. That exactly is one marvelous feature and not a shortcoming by any measure. Now that I have "native email" everyone was eager to get, with all its beauty, I still use the bridge... Perhaps I am oldfashioned in that respect but I get my emails and pay for them once and my replies are available everywhere.

PlayBook has the best architects OS enabling best apps to work better than on other OSes, including non-tablet. Ask Citrix guys, for example.

So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning, event without the new stuff in OS 2.0 I just scratched. iPad 3 specs catch-up thing included.

[jsconyers]

So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning, event without the new stuff in OS 2.0...

So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.

[NJBlackBerry]

Yes - it is always convenient to have to bridge to an existing BlackBerry and have no applications from the beginning..

My iPad3 arrives tomorrow. Native e-mail, contacts and calendar out of the box. A "few" more applications than the Playbook. And a charging port in the right location so that it doesn't get covered by the one case that I could buy.

[zerog46]

I need to hold off buying my new iPad or my wife is going to kill me. I have an original and a iPad 2 right now. And as far as presentations, I just use our Epson projector and do everything wirelessly on my iPad or iPhone.

[federgejzla]

So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.

Do not twist my words to justify lack of knowing what is actually in there. That is not what I said. What I did say is that what PlayBook did have from v1 (and it did give me faster access to email/PIM than any other tablet) was and continues to be better for me.

In the BlackBerry ecosystem this works really well. I get instant email message delivery with significant data traffic savings while still having the easiest way to access content on both my phone and tablet.

I'll just illustrate few examples:

1. Email is sent you you with few large attachments. In BB world these get delivered to you over the air only once and are then shared between the tablet and the phone. Not twice - once to each device, not to mention that I don't need a second data plan either.

2. If you send an email from your tablet, do you see a copy of it on your phone (or vice versa)? How does it get there?

3. You want to send a picture, for example, from the convenience of your tablet, but it is the picture that you took with your phone. I just attach the picture from the phone - communication only happens via Bluetooth between the two devices, no mobile network, extra data plans and traffic, no need for cloud and slowdowns it introduces.

In the end, this is a BlackBerry forum for those who either "get it" or "want to get it". If you are neither, please don't post misinformation because you didn't care about getting informed in the first place.

As for 2.0, it adds more, including the native email with extraordinary functionality of its own. And that runs on the original PlayBook as well - no need to siphon more money into incremental hardware enhancements.

[NJBlackBerry]

Gee, it's great to have a new expert here on a BlackBerry Forum (with two posts) who gets it.

I guess I don't "get it".

Unfortunately, the market doesn't get it either, as the PlayBook is a major cause for RIM's decline in the last year. They got distracted from their core business.

2.0 adds ActiveSync capability. Nothing more. I do get it.

[jsconyers]

Do not twist my words to justify lack of knowing what is actually in there. That is not what I said
Yes, it is what you said. I actually quoted you directly.



In the end, this is a BlackBerry forum for those who either "get it" or "want to get it". If you are neither, please don't post misinformation because you didn't care about getting informed in the first place.

As for 2.0, it adds more, including the native email with extraordinary functionality of its own. And that runs on the original PlayBook as well - no need to siphon more money into incremental hardware enhancements.
I don't know if you have noticed my join date or post count, but I have been here nearly 5 years longer than you and have a couple more (and more informative) posts than you. On top of that, I manage my company's entire mobile environment, which includes BlackBerry devices of all models, iPhones, Android's, Windows Mobile devices, all shapes and sizes of tablets, etc. So, to say I am not informed is probably the most ignorant comment I have seen on these forums in quiet a while.

Now to rebuttal your points. I can put iOS 5 on my iPad2, I didn't have to buy new hardware. I can sync pics I took with my iPhone to my iPad with iCloud. What slowdown does the cloud introduce? Just for your knowledge, you pair via Bluetooth. Bluetooth data transfer speeds max out at about 2.1 Mbits/sec, HSPA+ can peak data rates at 56 Mbits/sec. That is 28 times faster. So I would say uploading a pic to the cloud and back down to my iPad, would be a lot quicker than your limited Bluetooth connection. I don't have to have an extra data plan, I could just use WiFi if I wanted. But I have the option of using 3G or 4G on the iPad 3. An option that doesn't exist with the Playbook. I am glad the Playbook works for you, but to say that with OS1 it is "the best tablet from the beginning" is plain ignorant as well.

[federgejzla]

Yes, it is what you said. I actually quoted you directly.


:smile: I said many things and concluded with:

So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning...

I stand by that, for all the reasons I mentioned and more.

You twisted that around into:

So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.

Number of posts is a measure of one's activity on the forum, nothing else. This is not about you or me, so no point in weighing our expertise (don't be sure you'd win). I presented and stand by my arguments - they can be easily verified by anyone interested to find out. You haven't responded with your thoughts as to which tablet suits which purpose or with any counterarguments, but have rather restored to defensive distortiots . That is why I don't like getting involved in forums, and perhaps this has been a mistake on my part.

So my last post here, for those interested in actual devices... If you aree evaluating tablets for whatever purpose, do not be blinded by statements made by those saying that "others can't do something". That is pointless. Nobody can tell you what you can't do - maybe the just didn't even try.

Re HSPA+, iCloud and other stuff - that is exactly what I was talking about. Yes, I use Bluetooth. One hop. Local. With less interference from others. I don't need multiple trips, multiple data plans and data stored elsewhere. It is immediate, without data duplication and latencies. And, most of the time, I don't need to transfer anything really at all, but I'll leave you to think about it. Before talking about speeds, measure them first, learn about what latency is and think about how much needs to be communicated as well - this is something BlackBerries are different from others, too - they are more efficient. Then actually truly try a PlayBook and a BlackBerry pair for a couple of days to see what it is about. If you don't you have no right to speak what they can or cannot do.

It serves little purpose speaking of what was there from beginning and what was not. Yes, right, native email wasn't there. But email was - and in a form still better for me, many others and, perhaps you. We can talk about what other devices didn't have from the beginning and still don't have but that is pointless too. I'll just mention a few to satisfy the hunger of some - cameras, high dot pitch screen, proper multitasking letting your device do, say a presentation, remote computer access and document editing at the same time, flash support without someone lying to you that not having these is good for you (that is Apple trademark, not mine, in case you are wondering).

As for presentations, I don't need to carry a "wireless projector" everywhere I go (oddly enough I think there is a power cord needed for it (I guess "cord" with the entire projector attached to it does not count as a "wire"). Just a standard HDMI cable, for 3D 1080p video. And if I forget it, I can get it anywhere... BTW, just came back from the park where I recorded some 1080p videos of my children using the PlayBook from my jacket's pocket (front *and* back cameras) and played them in full quality on my 50" plasma TV.

I'll sum up my perspective this way...

If you tend to need a tablet only while on the couch and not while on the move, you don't have a BlackBerry, don't care about 1080p playback on standard equipment or ease of media transfer, and you are fine spending more money on data, think iPad or Android (Android is better in a number of respects here).

On the other hand, if you want to carry it and use it on the move, you care about cameras and media you already have, you want to not spend money on multiple data plans but spend it on better things (say fun), want most natural gestures of any platform, then by all means get a PlayBook + a BlackBerry phone. This pair does everything others do and more.

As for the number of apps - if that is what you are after, get one of the keyboardless touch screen Windows boxes. They have more apps than all BlackBerry, Android and iOS devices combined.

See - you can't cut it just one way. Don't work in reverse by finding justifications why everyone should like your purchase. One needs to choose based on his/her specific needs and when you realize that, you will realize that Apple (or any other product) is very far from ideal of any kind.

To even out some other comments to, I'll finish on this one, a woefully ignorant and oversimplified observation to match that poster's (so don't take this too seriously): "iPad3 is all about catching up with screen pixel density and to be just able to control additional pixels them they had to throw in more some CPU power and bigger battery. That's all. Still lagging on other fronts."

Think for yourselves and enjoy!

[NJBlackBerry]

Wow. What a self absorbed schmuck.
Feel free to report me to the Moderators.

I am very happy that you like the PlayBook. Apple will sell more iPad 3s today than RIM will sell in total. The PlayBook was an overpriced niche device. It failed. And your perspective (which is just an overinflated opinion) can't change that.

[juwaack68]

Apple will sell more iPad 3s today .....

Don't you mean 'The Tablet Formerly Known as iPad3'? :razz:

[NJBlackBerry]

"The new iPad".
As opposed to the old PlayBook?

[audit]

The iPad just works, plain and simple. No hooking it up to a 3rd party server (BES) and it's allowed me to leave my laptops in the bag. It doesn't matter that I have a Wifi only iPad 2 because I'd need WiFi for my laptop to connect to the internet so I could VPN in to fix any issues anyhow so carrying my iPad around is just easier. Most times my wife puts it in her purse when we're out in case I need it. All the apps that I need for work related functions were free. I won a Playbook and gave it to a friend of mine who hated it after a week, he traded it for an iPad and loves using that better because it just works.

[foobbar]

The iPad just works, plain and simple. No hooking it up to a 3rd party server (BES) and it's allowed me to leave my laptops in the bag. It doesn't matter that I have a Wifi only iPad 2 because I'd need WiFi for my laptop to connect to the internet so I could VPN in to fix any issues anyhow so carrying my iPad around is just easier. Most times my wife puts it in her purse when we're out in case I need it. All the apps that I need for work related functions were free. I won a Playbook and gave it to a friend of mine who hated it after a week, he traded it for an iPad and loves using that better because it just works.


(n) PlayBook also just works, plain and simple. It does not need to be hooked up to BES - in fact you could not even do it initially (before OS 2.0), and BES is not 3rd party but RIM's own, for enterprise customers. And while we can certainly appreciate that wives carrying large purses are useful, one does not need those with PlayBooks. I stopped using (let alone carrying) my personal notebook since I got myself a PlayBook. All the apps that I need to work related functions on PlayBook were free. I was offered an iPad 2 as a part of promotion (with another purchase) and declined it, negotiated and got a PlayBook. I know of a number of people who have both PlayBooks and iPads and swear by their PlayBooks. Some of them keep iPads because they are in a Mac ecosystem, which I am not.

[audit]

I own 2 apple devices, iPhone 4GS and iPad 2. This last weekend I was out all weekend at the Sportsmans club shooting and had my iPad with me the entire time, Many of the guys there that had their playbooks with them were impressed with it. And yes if I need to install another server just for BES then I consider that a 3rd party server, just like I would an Exchange server, Proxy server or anything along those lines. Migrating over to the iPad's and iPhones allowed me to eliminate a lot of servers that I don't need to manage anymore since those devices hook to the Exchange server.

[LunkHead]

What's a Playbook? Is this the one that recently went on clearance sale @<hidden> $199 for a 64GB model and they still could not sell em?

If this is the EPIC tablet that the OP speaks of then all I have to say is:

Chicken salad sammich!

[foobbar]

And yes if I need to install another server just for BES...

And again - you don't need BES. What BES does for BlackBerries is way beyond what you get without some MDM software, so don't compare what cannot be compared.

[foobbar]

What's a Playbook? Is this the one that recently went on clearance sale @<hidden> $199 for a 64GB model and they still could not sell em?

:smile: Maybe that's because most people find it easier to be copycats rather than actually getting the good thing. And it was $199 for a 16GB model... and where I was there were limits to one per customer because they were selling faster than vendors were getting them. Right, still not blind-sighted Apple fan teritorry, but...

[LunkHead]

:smile: Maybe that's because most people find it easier to be copycats rather than actually getting the good thing. And it was $199 for a 16GB model... and where I was there were limits to one per customer because they were selling faster than vendors were getting them. Right, still not blind-sighted Apple fan teritorry, but...

My Best Buy had all 3 versions priced at $199 and when I asked if they had any left he said "oh ya, plenty"

[foobbar]

Well, you must live in a very special place. I hope you bought a number of them and just can't admit it due to Apple fan peer pressure.

[jsconyers]

Well, you must live in a very special place. I hope you bought a number of them and just can't admit it due to Apple fan peer pressure.

I think you may be the one living in a special place. Take a look at the numbers:

VatorNews - Apple hits all-time high in tablet market-share demand (http://vator.tv/news/2012-03-13-apple-hits-all-time-high-in-tablet-market-share-demand)

This is for corporations, RIM's bread and butter. The iPad is the only tablet with an increase in demand, the Playbook dropped 2% from November 2011 to Feb 2012.

[LunkHead]

Well, you must live in a very special place. I hope you bought a number of them and just can't admit it due to Apple fan peer pressure.

Because I have an iPad I bowed to Apple peer pressure? You are making yourself look dumb with statements like that...

And no I didn't buy and playbooks.. Why would anyone?

[foobbar]

Well, about dumbness and peer pressure - I didn't see you making a single factual comment about device abilities and have only pointed out the incidental, surrounding effects. That says you are mostly affected by that kind of information.

Why would anyone buy PlayBooks? Because they have to offer stuff competing products do not, for example. I should not list those, there's enough of it everywhere, one just has to be willing to read.

[LunkHead]

It's funny when people have to defend and / or justify their purchase to themselves..

If you are happy with it (you'd be one of the few) then enjoy it.. As for me? Love the new iPad and the wicked 4G speeds..

Enjoy the Playbook dude.. LOL

[penguin3107]

Because they have to offer stuff competing products do not, for example.

I know one thing that the PlayBook has which the iPad doesn't... Failure.

[johnherdman]

Well, as we don't even have BES in our company (Which is an IT Support company) but I can still use the playbook on the network, easy access the shared drives on the server and edit them with DocsToGo Premium (Which is included as standard), bridge my Curve 9360 with it so I can get all my emails (through Bridge) and use active sync for contacts/calendars (Through the data connection on the Curve) whats not to like.

Also the 7" format is an idea compromise to carry around with you. I also have a Motorola Xoom which never leaves the house because its simpley to big.

For Business, The Playbook is the ultimate tablet, there are short comings on the thing, just like there is on the iPad and Android, but the security is better (Blackberry is more secure than both, plus the fact that there isn't a lot of them around helps matters) and does exactly what business people want.

Want an entertainment device, get an Android Tablet, the Xoom excels in Games etc, but is absolutely crap at business stuff and I've already had a virus on it from Google Play. Luckily I have Dr.Web installed on it. iOS is not better, just visit MobileSafari iOS 5.1 - Adress bar spoofing Demo (http://majorsecurity.net/html5/ios51-demo.html) for a demo of just how good iOS security is.

oohh and before you think I hate Apple Product's, I am an Apple Tech and love Mac's.

[audit]

Well, as we don't even have BES in our company (Which is an IT Support company) but I can still use the playbook on the network, easy access the shared drives on the server and edit them with DocsToGo Premium (Which is included as standard), bridge my Curve 9360 with it so I can get all my emails (through Bridge) and use active sync for contacts/calendars (Through the data connection on the Curve) whats not to like.

Odd how you need to bridge your playbook to your blackberry to sync your emails while I have my emails coming to both my iPad and iPhone at the same time and I don't need to "bridge" them together to do it. I paid for 1 app total for business use and that's it. I use my iPad to browse the network shares, admin the routers, switches, ssl/vpn, RDP into all the servers, print off reports, etc. Basically the same work that I do on my work laptop. All without ever connecting my iPhone to my ipad to get emails. Everything on both devices are through Exchange.

[johnherdman]

Odd how you need to bridge your playbook to your blackberry to sync your emails while I have my emails coming to both my iPad and iPhone at the same time and I don't need to "bridge" them together to do it. I paid for 1 app total for business use and that's it. I use my iPad to browse the network shares, admin the routers, switches, ssl/vpn, RDP into all the servers, print off reports, etc. Basically the same work that I do on my work laptop. All without ever connecting my iPhone to my ipad to get emails. Everything on both devices are through Exchange.

Bridge is a free app, i didn't have to pay for it. DocsToGo Premium is also free on BB OS7 and Playbook OS2.

Yes you might use the iPad and iPhone to get emails, but thats 2 data sets you are using, not one. 2 devices that require 2 data connections, Active Sync is also not that Data Efficient compared to BIS/BES either is it? (Every time it checks for emails it uses 100+k, BIS/BES uses 10k.)

Also like i said, iOS is a consumer device, yes it can do everything you need apart from true multi tasking. I would prefare security over anything since i deal with customers data all the time.

[NJBlackBerry]

So iOS is for consumers.
PlayBook is for a very small niche. And it is killing RIM.

[penguin3107]

iOS is a consumer device

Famous last words by RIM.

[NJBlackBerry]

Which is why more than 40% of our corporate users have switched from BlackBerrys to iOS device. Consumers. Right. The PlayBook is taking RIM down quickly, and the company is doing NOTHING to stem the tide. BB 10? Requires new BES? Forget about it.

RIM has to do something dramatic. And NOW.

[federgejzla]

I didn't want to come back to this thread, but it is ridicilous what kinds of statements are made. "Requires new BES? RIM has to do something dramatic. And NOW."? Seems to me that you are angry at the company without a single clue as to what is going on.

Enhancements in RIM devices are leaps and bounds more "dramatic" than anything Apple has *ever* done since they came into existence decades ago. You wouldn't want a new BES? Well, wake up! If you want to actually manage new devices (including your beloved iOS), you'll need new software. Can't keep the old and want the new. That does not work that way.

PlayBook is an amazing product whichever way one cuts it, if you are willing to have a look. What RIM has failed (so far) is something they never did (I guess because they didn't have to) - marketing. Apple's marketing is powerful enough to sell whatever crap they want. RIM's products are better in almost every respect of any importance, if you compare what needs to be compared.

So NJBlackBerry, penguin3107, audit, stop your posts. You talk too much, yet manage to say nothing about what is at hand. You keep hating RIM and its products but have not provided a single actual reason as to why is PlayBook or iPad better than the other. Apple fanboys (girls?) on blackberryforums.com ... It is interesting that you hang out here and not somewhere else.

[mriff]

You have no idea who you're talking to. Those guys were using Blackberry devices when you were in diapers. They have forgotten far more about Blackberry products than you will ever know.

[NJBlackBerry]

I'll be more succinct - stop shilling for RIM. You sound like an idiot. I've had a BlackBerry since RIM gave me a 950. Google it. It was unbelievable for the time.

I have a PlayBook. I bought a 64GB one the day it came out. Couldn't wait for it. The shortcomings appeared immediately. It had "potential" but wasn't useful. No apps. No native e-mail (bridging is innovative?). It was a desperate attempt to get to the tablet market which the iPad owned then and owns now.

I also have a new iPad (replacing an original iPad), a Motorola XOOM, a Kindle Fire and some sort of Samsung Android device somewhere. I think I can compare the usefulness of each. I am a customer who works for a company with revenues of over $40bn. I know what works for me and what doesn't. I don't need to be lectured by someone who showed up 30 seconds ago to promote a product that the market has rejected. I also know that our internal customers are sprinting away from RIM. I, however, won't be giving up my BlackBerry any time soon.

With respect to a new BES, we have 30 BES globally. All in redundant clusters. No one in my company will pay for a new BES because of BB 10. I know. I own the budget. Perhaps you have one BES and it is achievable, but that's just more bad marketing.

I am NOT an Apple Fanboy. I just know a useless device (the PlayBook) when I use it.

Just wondering - do you work for RIM or their PR company? Because you certainly sound like a shill.

[federgejzla]

No, I am not anyone's PR. Don't know how to that. But you sure sound like you are, and perhaps that is why 40% of *your* corporate customers are "switching away from BlackBerrys". I am using all the devices, have had and developed for them for a very very long time. BlackBerrys have their shortcomings but nothing more than any other product.

As for "desperate attempts", PlayBook has apps (of course it didn't have many the day it came out, no product ever did), bridging *is* innovative beyond what seem to be willing to accept, is very useful. Now it has native email for those like you.

And mriff, you have no idea who you are talking to either.

Again, lots of words, "you think you can compare" and "you know what works for you and what doesn't". Still not a single mention of any actual advantage of either device, just playing doen "old PlayBook" vs. "new iPad".

My PlayBook does more for me than iPad does for my iPad friends. I find it curious how much unfair bias there is everywhere against RIM, possibly because it is old stuff and people want to try something new, but still. Had there been more objective information about all products, the market picture would have been a lot different - not necessarily much better for BlackBerry, but definitely not as good for Apple.

I came to this forum recently to see what is going on forums. I usually don't spend time on these things. And I joined this one, as it is supposed to be BlackBerry oriented, hoping to find more people to exchange tons of good stuff. This thread was about the (old) PlayBook and the *new* iPad. You guys, the "veterans" of this forum, turned it into "my dad (Apple) is (now) bigger than your dad (RIM)".

As for whether you will pay for a new BES - if you want the functionality in it for any devices you will manage, you will need something new one way or another. And I am sure, based on your attitude, that you will pay for anything but BES, even if it isn't as good.

You have disclosed that much - thank you. That positions you clearly for others to know how to view your posts, past or future.

Whatever I sound like, views/posts like yours need a lot of balancing and someone needs to do this. Hopefully people will be able to read between your lines and past "you don't need this/that marketing" as I am not going to continue doing this. Had some time past few weeks, getting busy again.

[mriff]

And mriff, you have no idea who you are talking to either.
Maybe not, but you should go back and read some of NJ's previous posts (might take you a while as he has over 26,000). He's been a defender of RIM for a very long time.

[federgejzla]

So maybe he got fed up doing the same thing for so long just at the time when RIM started making big changes? I'm not too happy with the past either, for the records. But things *are* changing now big time.... And while I do understand a lot of frustration, this thread was not started for that. There could be a lot said about that - somewhere else.

I found myself getting involved in the same thing... again. Forums like this are not for me.

[penguin3107]

So NJBlackBerry, penguin3107, audit, stop your posts. You talk too much, yet manage to say nothing about what is at hand.

Prior to this post, I typed 18 words in this thread.
More than twice as many as I needed to get my point across.
I'll try to do it in 4 words...

PlayBook. Failure. Game Over.

[NJBlackBerry]

Forums like this are not for me.
For the first time I agree with something you've said.

[dc/dc]

So maybe he got fed up doing the same thing for so long just at the time when RIM started making big changes? I'm not too happy with the past either, for the records. But things *are* changing now big time.... And while I do understand a lot of frustration, this thread was not started for that. There could be a lot said about that - somewhere else.

I found myself getting involved in the same thing... again. Forums like this are not for me.

What's changing? A polished turd is still a turd.

[LunkHead]

Please click my thanks button!

[jsconyers]

But things *are* changing now big time....

This may be true, but in my opinions, it's too little much too late.

[audit]

Let's see here, we have RIM who has a recent history of going out for a few days or even 24hr's at a time, RIM's infrastructure down means no data and no emails coming through to the Blackberry. Now any decent company is going to have redundant email servers so if 1 goes down, the other comes up and nobody except the IT department knows the difference, if the BES is down, doesn't matter how many BES servers there are, it's not like you can just move a user to another one and off they go again with emails working. Our company develops apps for all the major tablet's and smartphone devices for our clients. multi billion $$ company and I'm in charge of the IT side of things as well as the budget. Like NJBlackBerry, I am not spending money where it's not needed. Our sales and marketing people have been more then happy with iPads and these people tried Android tablet's as well as I did. Nothing get's deployed out until I have tested it myself along with my teams and at least 2 execs. Then we sit down and talk about what we liked and what we didn't like about the devices.

Since switching people over to the iPads before the "new ipad" came out, not one single complaint has come in to the helpdesk. iTunes is not allowed on any company laptops and we lock the iPad's down to keep people from installing apps. There are 2 apps that are installed on them and they are ones that were written by our company for use on our company network. That includes the VPN software and file manager software. No need to update them for the "new ipad" because we're not rolling that out this year because it doesn't give us anything that we really need.


RIM is a sinking ship, playbook is/was an attempt to come try to compete with the tablet market and they lost in a major way. You need to open your eyes and see what's actually going on like the rest of us have who's been around for years with RIM and have defended them until we just couldn't do it anymore. I use the device that works for ME the best, we have options for the employee's to choose from and I'll be shutting down the last BES server by the end of the week since everyone will be on IOS.

[NJBlackBerry]

Clearly someone else who is missing the greatness of the PlayBook.

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NJBlackBerry, Yea I guess I missed that memo along with you and the others about the Playbook being the top of all tablet's and we should ban anything else from our networks.

[NJBlackBerry]

And once again I forgot to pack my PlayBook when I went on a business trip. But that pesky new iPad somehow found its way onto the plane..

And BetaMax was MUCH better than VHS.

[dc/dc]

And HD-DVD was much better than Blu-ray.

[jsconyers]

And the Zune was much better than the iPod.

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And Atari was much better then playstation or Xbox.

[dc/dc]

I like tacos.

[zerog46]

I haven't used a BB in a while now but I sure as hell hope they do recover from this. The more competition the better. I switched because of work. I on the other hand work for a small company and we can do pretty much everything on an iPhone you can do on a BB but without the cost of the BES. For a small company it's all about money in today's economy.

[GoldenGod]

I don't have a playbook but I'd rather buy it than the iPad2 or the new iPad because of the access over flash content.

Apps? Well we can sideload android apps until the other apps arrive the App World, I think that'll suffice.

Price? Playbook (right now) is way cheaper than all of the iPads that Apple has ever released and that's one of the reasons why the Playbook gets my vote.

Oh, and its not as bulky as the iPads. =D

[dc/dc]

Oh, and its not as bulky as the iPads. =D

An iPad is bulky? Really? Have you had your head checked?

[Mark Rejhon]

Yes, the new iPad looks like to have a wicked screen, but I think the playbook is better cos :-All is fine and dandy, but we need to find ways to make RIM earn more money; there's some flaw with the demo units at Future Shop and Best Buy that is still unaddressed as of PlayBook OS 2.0:

Future Shop / Best Buy Demo of PlayBook -- Major flaw losing millions of $ for RIM (http://www.blackberryforums.com/rants-raves-forum/258968-future-shop-best-buy-demo-playbook-major-flaw-losing-millions-rim.html)

I hope RIM can fix these flaws over time & make the units more appealing to first-time users. Although IMO, it may be too late for the current PlayBook, they should do a simultaneous hardware/software refresh that addresses these shortcomings, to get people to come back and "try the latest and greatest new thing".

[PaulM]

I really have nothing constructive to bring to this topic other than my personal opinion on the PB.

I initially bought my PlayBook because of it's physical size, available onboard memory and price. I shopped around a lot and found that the PB fit the bill for what I was looking for in a tablet. FWIW, I couldn't pass up on my 64GB for $199. That, and I felt a bit of brand loyalty wasn't a bad thing since I've been so happy with every BB that I've owned.

Having owned it for a few months, I find that I am a bit dissapointed with the availability of native apps, and a few other minor things, but overall I've enjoyed it. I've found that sideloading isn't so difficult, but it would be nice to just be able to have the app availability that the Android and Apple market enjoy.

Although I'm definitely not an "Apple guy", lately I have found myself looking at the iPad's. It's a bit out of the budget for now, but I think that sometime soon, one might find it's way to my house.

It's hard to admit, but I really like the functionality and features that the iPad advertises. It's definitely is a game changer in the tablet market and Apple has nailed it.

I wish that I could say the same for RIM, but I too see a sinking ship. I'll stay faithful to the phones for as long as I can, but eventually I see myself shifting allegiances.

[knottyrope]

I have had a PlayBook since it came out. Wonderful device. My kids both have PlayBooks for a year now too. Just bought one for my Mother in Law too. Video chat is great on it.

It did have a slow start but so did every other new device out there. Bridge is great, dont need native support and If I do it is there with out the need for a BES server.

I use standard USB cables to connect to my accessories that I have owned for 3 years prior. HDMI out with out the need for an adapter thing that costs more.

I now have plenty of games and tons more coming. Andriod is losing developers fast and many are running to BB10. App world has grown a lot and is getting more content.

I tried a xoom, encrible 2 and I dont get andriod interface.

ithings are boring and suck to use. press button for this and that. I grew tired of pressing that button in less than 2 weeks and was happy to have my BlackJack back.

Ipad has a bigger screen, I looked at one at AT&T store and held it. yes it is heavy and as I looked at the sides, it slipped out of my hands onto the counter corner which cracked the screen. damn that thing is slippery! AT&T guy said not to worry about it and this was like the 20th one that was dropped and broken in the store. That made me think I would be dropping it at home quickly and I despise the front button for all actions.

I have a pair of Torches for my kids to play with on wifi to remote contol their playbooks with. My son really loves showing off his playbook to friends and I have not seen one kids not ask their parent for one.

My kids were happy to sell their ipod touch and use the money for apps on BlackBerry Playbook.