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jibi
03-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Might be old information (I know the 8707 has been mentioned here). 'Codenames' are presumably uElectron and uCharm for the UMTS devices (8700 series and 7100 series); wElectron for the WiFi 8700. There appears to be confirmation of the expected 7100 series EDGE device, as well. All appear, from the file information, to be 64MB (or more, perhaps) devices. Take this with a grain of salt, as its just information within the Device.xml of the latest Development Device Simulator code.

<!-- 7100 EDGE -->
<os radio="GPRS" series="7100" Colour="True" Theme="Normal" JVMLevel="1.0" Memory="Large" KeyboardType="Reduced" MMS="True" Bluetooth="True" Sound="Tunes8700g" SystemSize="normal" Backdrop="68M_240x260" ThemeSupport="Enhanced">0x84000903</os>

<!-- wELectron -->
<os radio="WLAN" series="8700" Colour="True" Theme="Normal" JVMLevel="1.0" Memory="Large" KeyboardType="Qwerty" Sound="Tunes8700g" SystemSize="normal" Bluetooth="True" ThemeSupport="Enhanced">0x04000906</os>

<!-- 8707 uELectron -->
<os radio="UMTS" series="8700" Colour="True" Theme="Normal" JVMLevel="1.0" Memory="Large" KeyboardType="Qwerty" Sound="Tunes7130c" SystemSize="normal" MMS="True" Bluetooth="True" ThemeSupport="Enhanced">0x84000B07</os>

<!-- 7130u uCharm -->
<os radio="UMTS" series="7100" Colour="True" Theme="Normal" JVMLevel="1.0" Memory="Large" KeyboardType="Reduced" Sound="Tunes7130c" SystemSize="normal" MMS="True" Bluetooth="True" Backdrop="68M_240x260">0x84000907</os>

Also mentioned in the Device.xml file from the Bharti 8700 series software is the following:

<!-- 7135 -->
<os radio="GPRS" series="7100" Colour="True" Theme="Normal" JVMLevel="1.0" KeyboardType="Reduced" MMS="True" Bluetooth="True" Sound="Tunes8700g" SystemSize="normal">0x84000903</os>

Not sure if that's something in the works or not, but considering the SystemSize says normal (32MB), I'm betting that its outdated information.

BrooklynzFinest
03-03-2006, 08:07 PM
Any word on the carriers testing these devices or are they not even at that stage yet?

jibi
03-03-2006, 09:12 PM
Not a clue if these devices even exist (grain of salt), but if I'd have to guess, I'd say that it was European (T-Mobile, Vodafone, O2, Orange), Asian (CSL, SingTel), and North American (Cingular, Rogers) doing the testing ... they all have UMTS networks in place. If I'm not mistaken (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong), T-Mobile's main focus in the states is their UMTS upgrade to be available in the next year (late 2006 for some areas, mid-2007 for the rest of their network).

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 03:54 AM
Hi guys

Seemed a suitable thread to post this -I can now confirm the 8707v BlackBerry will be launched shortly with Vodafone UK. This is a 3G enabled device, full QWERTY and of course will ship with 4.1 code on board. Cannot confirm an exact date yet unfortunately. It's slightly wider than an 8700 device but about the same height, thickness and weight. Got an image on our site if you fancy a look:

http://www.airtimemanager.co.uk/Articles/Mobile_Phone_Article.aspx

Seattle18
03-24-2006, 04:09 AM
Hi guys

Seemed a suitable thread to post this -I can now confirm the 8707v BlackBerry will be launched shortly with Vodafone UK. This is a 3G enabled device, full QWERTY and of course will ship with 4.1 code on board. Cannot confirm an exact date yet unfortunately. It's slightly wider than an 8700 device but about the same height, thickness and weight. Got an image on our site if you fancy a look:

http://www.airtimemanager.co.uk/Articles/Mobile_Phone_Article.aspx
DAMN! That's kewl! I like the look, and more importantly the 3G. Will the Cingular version have on board WiFi? And will it ship UMTS capable for Cingular? WHEN??? (y)

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 04:13 AM
I know Vodafone UK will have an exclusive period with it, but don't know how long. The really annoying bit is that when I used it, it was in an area with no coverage so I couldn't test the speeds!!! It appears to have it's own summary 'today' screen as well which is nice (unless you write third paty apps like that)!!

Seattle18
03-24-2006, 04:15 AM
I know Vodafone UK will have an exclusive period with it, but don't know how long. The really annoying bit is that when I used it, it was in an area with no coverage so I couldn't test the speeds!!! It appears to have it's own summary 'today' screen as well which is nice (unless you write third paty apps like that)!!
Can you get any first-hand photos or screenshots?

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 04:27 AM
When I saw the beta versions a few months ago it was under NDA so I couldn't take pics or say anything. The pic on our website (which is the finished polished version) is the only one I have so far which I've only just been given permission to share. The minute I get something else you guys will be the first to know. With luck we'll get our hands on one shortly and I can give you more info.

Seattle18
03-24-2006, 04:32 AM
We all will be anxiously awaiting...

Thanks in advance!

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 04:35 AM
Have just received more images - will try to get them up on the site within the hour - watch this space!!!!

jeffharris
03-24-2006, 05:33 AM
Will the 8707 also support EDGE? This would make it truly a Universal device.

I am tired of 3G phones, that don't have EDGE (only UMTS and GPRS), and 3G carriers, where my 8700, which has EDGE, has to use GPRS, because 3G carriers generally don't support 2.5G (n)

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 07:04 AM
Here you go, enjoy:

http://www.airtimemanager.co.uk/BlackBerry/Enterprise/BlackBerry-8707v.aspx

Si

dc/dc
03-24-2006, 07:58 AM
All, please bear in mind that the 8707 will not take advantage of UMTS in the United States as our UMTS frequency is different (as usual) than the rest of the world.

Cingular operates UMTS/HSDPA in 1900, whereas the rest of the world operates UMTS in 2100.

However, I will likely purchase one as it means I should be able to now use BlackBerry whilst roaming in Japan. :)

aphr0deity
03-24-2006, 08:38 AM
When I first saw those images, I got scared and thought there was a camera lens in that little red earpiece.

Don't jump all over me now--but I'm one of the few consumers who wouldn't mind a simple crappy camera (but just a camera. No video and music capabilities, please). Anyway...

WHEW. Looks like it's the 8700, just taking advantage of different technologies. Not like we in the US will be getting it in the next 6 months or anything ;) so I'm still in line for the 8700.

---Just keeeeding. I like the look of this font much better than what's on std US models now. Ha!

dc/dc
03-24-2006, 08:59 AM
When I first saw those images, I got scared and thought there was a camera lens in that little red earpiece.

Don't jump all over me now--but I'm one of the few consumers who wouldn't mind a simple crappy camera (but just a camera. No video and music capabilities, please). Anyway...

WHEW. Looks like it's the 8700, just taking advantage of different technologies. Not like we in the US will be getting it in the next 6 months or anything ;) so I'm still in line for the 8700.

---Just keeeeding. I like the look of this font much better than what's on std US models now. Ha!

8707 won't be sold in the US at all unless RIM attached the UMTS radio to both the 1900 and 2100 band.

Seattle18
03-24-2006, 10:51 AM
8707 won't be sold in the US at all unless RIM attached the UMTS radio to both the 1900 and 2100 band.
DOH! It's always something...

jax
03-24-2006, 12:10 PM
Any idea if this will work in Japan to send / receive data?

jeffharris
03-24-2006, 12:27 PM
Any idea if this will work in Japan to send / receive data?

Yes, as long as it is UMTS 2100, it should. Like my Nokia N70 does.

@<hidden> Admin or @<hidden> dc/dc

I understand it won't be able to take advantage of UMTS 1900 (Cingular) in the US, but, I would love to know if it will support EDGE, so I can use EDGE in the US, and UMTS everywhere else. By the included specs in the sheet, it seems it doesn't.

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 12:39 PM
At this stage I don't believe it will based on the information I have received

dc/dc
03-24-2006, 01:21 PM
Yes, as long as it is UMTS 2100, it should. Like my Nokia N70 does.

@<hidden> Admin or @<hidden> dc/dc

I understand it won't be able to take advantage of UMTS 1900 (Cingular) in the US, but, I would love to know if it will support EDGE, so I can use EDGE in the US, and UMTS everywhere else. By the included specs in the sheet, it seems it doesn't.

I would be surprised if it did not support EDGE. However, Vodafone does not have EDGE deployed anywhere in the world, so the EDGE hardware may have had to have been removed to support the UMTS hardware.

Any idea if this will work in Japan to send / receive data?

Yes. NTT DoCoMo and the soon-to-be-sold Vodafone KK networks operate UMTS 2100, so if you have T-Mobile or Cingular and put your SIM into this device (provided it is unlocked) you should be able to use it in Japan. This does not guarantee that BlackBerry services will be available, but phone and SMS for sure.

aphr0deity
03-24-2006, 02:16 PM
8707 won't be sold in the US at all unless RIM attached the UMTS radio to both the 1900 and 2100 band.

I realize that (y) . My original post was a little vague.

I just mean (and sort of to make myself feel better) that the 8707 will have no personal advantage in my usage of the phone over the 8700. I'm not techno-savvy enough to know all the specifics, but you only reconfirmed to me that the US doesn't support the technology that the 8707 is being marketed for.

And also considering that no phone, essentially, is really off limits to purchase once it's unlocked! Haha.

jeffharris
03-24-2006, 04:18 PM
I would be surprised if it did not support EDGE. However, Vodafone does not have EDGE deployed anywhere in the world, so the EDGE hardware may have had to have been removed to support the UMTS hardware.


Most UMTS phones do not support EDGE (like the WM5 JASJAR). EDGE is not an evolution technically between GPRS and UMTS, it needs to be separately deployed on top of the GSM system, and relatively few operators around the world have deployed it -- they went straight from GPRS to UMTS. Or maybe they had the other short lived 2.5G technology, I forget the name.

jax
03-24-2006, 04:52 PM
Right that's it I've got to have one!

BBAdmin - let me know when you have availability!

paulbblc
03-24-2006, 05:06 PM
I really like the look of the 'today' screen. Having one that's not a 3rd party app would be really nice.

My question would be is that just a software upgrade away? Meaning could RIM release that software for the 8700 or maybe even the 7100 series?

Jagga
03-24-2006, 05:21 PM
OK I've since realized that most of you posters know a LOT more about BB's than I do; I'm learning at an exponential rate ... BUT one major thing to consider is where their headquarters are .... North America ... thats close try a lil harder ..... CANADA sweet Jesus!!! And they have an INCREDIBLY TIGHT relationship with Rogers Wireless; whom got them started on the map since day 1. Remember Cingular's exclusive contract with the 8700c which was delayed almost 30days .... Rogers shipped in bulk to EVERY major city in Canada within 14days after Cingular shipped theirs.

So I'm willing to BET that RIM will have a EDGE class 10 with quadband & UMTS for BOTH 1900/850mhz for North America (Cingular is insisting on this hence why Nokia's N80 is out of the picture). Remember Rogers is already testing 3G in major cities here and has announced in February that'll launch NATIONWIDE this Fall.

jibi
03-24-2006, 05:35 PM
For some reason, I recall someone stating that RIM and Roger's relationship wasn't all that peachy these days. If they show it off at WES, then perhaps. Otherwise, I doubt we'll see it in North America anytime soon.

BBAdmin
03-24-2006, 06:16 PM
Jibi, another new avitar - I didn't know BlackBerrys came in yellow?!?!?!

bigdave
03-24-2006, 06:27 PM
Its like Stewie from family guy with an afro! :smile:

TheRFGuy
03-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Don't forget the new spectrum which is going to be autioned out by the US FCC will be 1700/1900 while Cingular is currently deploying UMTS in 4-6 cities in 1900. Real complex situation!!!

dc/dc
03-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Don't forget the new spectrum which is going to be autioned out by the US FCC will be 1700/1900 while Cingular is currently deploying UMTS in 4-6 cities in 1900. Real complex situation!!!

1700????

Do you have a source for that info?

jibi
03-27-2006, 12:30 AM
The new spectrums auctioned off by the FCC on June 29 are 1700/2100. dc/dc, just look up the date and the spectrums on Google and you'll find quite a few articles.

jnelson2000
03-27-2006, 09:04 AM
8707 won't be sold in the US at all unless RIM attached the UMTS radio to both the 1900 and 2100 band.
I am a little confused here. Because, according to the official specs:

Networks

* Quad-band Operation - North America, Europe and Asia
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

No mention of a 2100 band.

jeffharris
03-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Well, they pulled the specs and stuff from that web site, but, don't worry, WCDMA 2100 is included !

dc/dc
03-27-2006, 03:29 PM
I am a little confused here. Because, according to the official specs:

Networks

* Quad-band Operation - North America, Europe and Asia
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

No mention of a 2100 band.

That is likely the specs for the 8700. The 8707 is a different device, and will have different specs.

Scotty_T
03-29-2006, 06:10 PM
Well, they pulled the specs and stuff from that web site, but, don't worry, WCDMA 2100 is included !

WCDMA 2100 will not be needed in the US. I hope that 8707 is for real!!

Would love to see a UTMS Blackberry soon.

ollywompus
04-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Hey, i'm jumping on an old thread here, but wanted to clear something up. You guys were talking about how the FCC is auctioning 1700 and 1900 spectrum... this is because UMTS *usually* needs two different frequencies (an upload and a download) to work. Currently, Cingular is deploying theirs with a 1900 down (which is what everyone refers to when saying UMTS 1900) and *I believe* also a 1900 uplink. This is a really inefficient way to do it, because they end up constraining their deployment possibiliities in the long run. What T-Mobile has talked about doing (and I hope does do) is something along time lines of 1700mhz for the uplink and 1900mhz for the downlink, which would mean that we would have *yet another* set of phones... so a T-mobile UMTS phone wouldn't be compatible with a Cingular UMTS phone. While this phone incompatibility would suck, it would mean that T-Mobile's 3G solution would be much more efficient in the long run, and would lead to 4G and 5G solutions much easier down the road.

Anyone starting to think that North American cellular deployment is a total cluster****? Ya, me too.

-olly

EricaJ1074
04-14-2006, 05:10 PM
The link doesn't work.

digital/blasphemy
04-15-2006, 08:17 AM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7100/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

I'm gonna be anxiosly awaiting the results of the FCC auction at the end of June. Might even break out a cooler of beer and cheer on my favorite team (tmo of course).

Does this make me a geek?

aphr0deity
04-15-2006, 02:10 PM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7100/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

I'm gonna be anxiosly awaiting the results of the FCC auction at the end of June. Might even break out a cooler of beer and cheer on my favorite team (tmo of course).

Does this make me a geek?

lol. Maybe just a little.

dc/dc
04-15-2006, 10:16 PM
Anyone starting to think that North American cellular deployment is a total cluster****? Ya, me too.

-olly

It always has been. The only time that the whole world was compatible was with 800 MHz AMPS.

I regularly get quite pissed about the US mobile telephone system, and why we can't be compatible with most of the world. GSM/GPRS 900/1800 and UMTS 2100. Three bands, and we're all done. No CDMA 1x required.

aphr0deity
04-15-2006, 11:17 PM
We like to be... "special."

What's this metric system thing, again?

dc/dc
04-15-2006, 11:21 PM
We like to be... "special."

What's this metric system thing, again?

Yeah, special like Jerry's Kids. :x

jeffharris
04-18-2006, 05:04 AM
WCDMA 2100 will not be needed in the US. I hope that 8707 is for real!!

Would love to see a UTMS Blackberry soon.

Well, I do not think the 8707 is intended for the US market. And, as it should be released imminently, UMTS is not mature enough in the US for them to have it as a UMTS 1900 device.

So, now, I will carry 2 Blackberrys -- one for the US (8700), and one for when I am in Japan (8707), in particular, as there is NO GSM netowrk there , as Europe UMTS and Japan WCDMA (both 2100) are compatible. I just am not sure how to be a ble to have 2 devices and 1 BIS/BES -- I guess I7ll address that bridge when it happens

dc/dc
04-18-2006, 05:24 AM
Well, I do not think the 8707 is intended for the US market. And, as it should be released imminently, UMTS is not mature enough in the US for them to have it as a UMTS 1900 device.

So, now, I will carry 2 Blackberrys -- one for the US (8700), and one for when I am in Japan (8707), in particular, as there is NO GSM netowrk there , as Europe UMTS and Japan WCDMA (both 2100) are compatible. I just am not sure how to be a ble to have 2 devices and 1 BIS/BES -- I guess I7ll address that bridge when it happens

Same with me. Last time I went to Japan, I took my Nokia 6630 there to use.

jeffharris
04-18-2006, 07:19 AM
Same with me. Last time I went to Japan, I took my Nokia 6630 there to use.

Yep, I bought a Nokia N70 just for that purpose. I also have a Vodafone KK (RIP) subscription. I can use ot for e-mail, but, I know the BB 8707 will be much better for use there.

dc/dc
04-18-2006, 07:25 AM
Yep, I bought a Nokia N70 just for that purpose. I also have a Vodafone KK (RIP) subscription. I can use ot for e-mail, but, I know the BB 8707 will be much better for use there.

Keep the KK SIM as a souvenir... I keep all of my SIMs... :)

Yeah, I checked Gmail on my 6630, but couldn't check my work Exchange account obviously.

I may actually end up with a Nokia E61 instead of an 8707 though because that has GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/WIFI, runs Series 60, and has BB Connect.

jeffharris
04-19-2006, 05:45 AM
When it says it has "BB connect", like the Nokias, and Treos, does that include BB data? Meaning, since, I no longer pay for data internationally, as it is included in the International data package, (web surfing, etc) on my 8700, will that T-Mobile BB data plan work on these "BB enabled" devices, and I also will not have ot pay for international data roaming?

I am in Thailand now -- this data thing rocks !! I even tether the 8700 as an EDGE modem here, and should not be billed!! (famous last words -- although, I have not been billed using it this way in Europe)

dc/dc
04-19-2006, 06:24 AM
When it says it has "BB connect", like the Nokias, and Treos, does that include BB data? Meaning, since, I no longer pay for data internationally, as it is included in the International data package, (web surfing, etc) on my 8700, will that T-Mobile BB data plan work on these "BB enabled" devices, and I also will not have ot pay for international data roaming?

I am in Thailand now -- this data thing rocks !! I even tether the 8700 as an EDGE modem here, and should not be billed!! (famous last words -- although, I have not been billed using it this way in Europe)

Yes, BB Connect is simply software that enables a non-RIM brand device to act like a BlackBerry, so you would replace your 8700 PIN with the PIN from BB Connect, and be off to the races.

darkmark
05-02-2006, 06:57 AM
For those of you getting excited about 8707 there are a couple of issues.

The device uses the qualcomm chipset, not the intel one used in the 8700. this is because to get the stack coded by RIM would take to long and they wanted something specifically to cater for the japanese market that could be used in the rest of the world (more and more global travellers). This means it's slower than people have come to expect from the 8700.

Also, because 3G coverage is more patchy it's constantly searching for networks and the device I used showed a 50% decrease in battery life compared to my 8700.

All in all, unless you intend travelling to Japan I'd say stick with the 8700. Just my opinion, but I have to value it because other people have a choice not to! :smile: