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Taikun
03-08-2006, 09:00 PM
The largest display seen so far which leaves behind even the Nokia 7710 (which is really good, you have to see the 7710s display and become awed before starting the comparison), along with the name "MDA" means that this one is going to be a major hit. The display deserves more than just a line of mention, since the MDA IV ( also knows as the XDA IV in case I lost you with the names) has a 640 x 480 pixel screen. This is something that you may be familiar with if you use Pocket PC devices (non - phone). The T-Mobile MDA IV will probably be the first windows based phone device to enjoy such a display.
The XDA IV will be powered by XScale 624 MHz processor much more powerful then its predecessors. Being 3G (UMTS) capable and having 2 cameras allows user to enjoy video calling. The phone has a large comfortable QWERTY keyboard and being based on the Windows OS means that it carries around with it software such as Pocket Word, Powerpoint, Excel in short the Office works.

The MDA IV has been completely loaded with features. I could begin with the USB and SD memory card support and go on to the much advanced 3G, Wifi and even wireless Internet (WLAN). At this point there is nothing in the market that comes close to offering all these at the same time. Top end models from Nokia, SonyEricsson, Motorola (yes even the MPX) loose out by one or more functions.

Detailed specifications are awaited beofre a verdict can be passed on the MDA 4. We can just hope that T-Mobile (and HTC which will probably do the manufacturing) dont do a repeat of what Motorola did to the MPX by giving it too less memory. In their favor though, giving so many features is going to ensure that the price will raise more then just a few eye-brows. There may be cost cutting to be done before the device can finally enter the market.

Fireproof
03-08-2006, 09:29 PM
8700 wins! Because the MDA is not....well...a BlackBerry. ;)

SlamMan
03-08-2006, 09:39 PM
I had an MDA and it took me about half an hour to figure out that I hated it. So I returned it. Unlike BB I found Win Mobile to be entirely unintuitive and clumsy. Navigation was horrible. I'm sure it does more stuff than the BB but that's why I have a lap top.

The 8700 is fast (faster than my 7105t) and does email and lite web browsing just fine and I find it easy to use. MDA's keyboard blows away the 8700 though but the 8700 is more pocketable.

Comes down to what your going to be using it for. Usually when you have a device that trys to do everything, it does nothing well.

mgerbasio
03-08-2006, 10:19 PM
There are numerous threads comparing the pocketpc phone to the 8700c here and on www.howardforums.com. The one that is best is the one that fits your needs. These are very different devices, out of the box the PocketPC does much more, lots of inexpensive third party software, expandable memory, multimedia, bluetooth, wifi. The 8700c is a better phone, better secure push email, smaller, better battery life.

It would be a close call for me, but I'd probably pick the MDA IV if I had a choice. The only way to get work email is through the BB so that's what I use. With the 7290 I carried both a ipaq and 7290, now I just carry the 8700c. I miss some of the PPC features, but I'd rather carry one device. Now if Cingular would finally upgrade the BIS like T-Mobile....

Regards-Michael G.

DuckWingDuck
03-09-2006, 01:39 PM
As have been said countless times in countless threads, everybody will have different needs for their devices.

drgoodtymes
03-09-2006, 03:23 PM
As have been said countless times in countless threads, everybody will have different needs for their devices.

I have to agree with you. Its almost like the difference on a MAC vs. a PC. Its all in what you need!

DuckWingDuck
03-09-2006, 04:11 PM
I have to agree with you. Its almost like the difference on a MAC vs. a PC. Its all in what you need!

Exactly! These types of conversations are pointless and only serves to make people more upset for no reason. What fits for Person A isn't going to work exactly for Person B. I had a O2 XDA IIs for six months and I loved it, before that, I had one of the original 5x series BB and I loved that. For different phases of my life, I have had different needs and different devices. I'm back onto a BB now because the most critical component is my availability to read emails.

Hyper7PCR
03-09-2006, 04:24 PM
I hate MDA. I want T-Mobile USA Blackberry 8700 better.

DuckWingDuck
03-09-2006, 04:42 PM
Heh, if you hate the MDA, wait for the BB from TMO at the end of the month! :)

Mark Rejhon
03-09-2006, 05:35 PM
I have both a PocketPC and BlackBerry. The PocketPC serves different purposes, but I can't type 40-65 words per minute while standing up or walking on a PocketPC. The PocketPC is my video/photo player, and the BlackBerry is the device that gets business done, while still being able to do some games, photos, etc. BlackBerry can also multitask too (Alt+Esc keypress for switching between concurrently running applications)

If you need convenient wireless that does things done, very reliably and quickly, the BlackBerry would be the best bet. (A PocketPC user takes a couple of days to get used to BlackBerry, and then they realize that the BlackBerry user interface is often faster to navigate than a PocketPC) But if you want just an MP3/video player, with occasional telephone and Internet Explorer use, the MDA would fit the bill.

Check out the first 3 links of the BlackBerry FAQ ("Why BlackBerry", "BlackBerry myths", etc)

DuckWingDuck
03-09-2006, 07:12 PM
Mark, agree with most of your points but a few quibbles. I type a bit faster on the BB but not all that much faster and if I didn't love push email so much, I would probably still be using the XDA.

Hyper7PCR
03-09-2006, 07:15 PM
T-Mobile UsA will annouce new BB 8700 tomorrow.




Just Kidding!! but I wish.

KingTermite
03-10-2006, 07:08 AM
Two reasons why I'll go for the BB 8700 over the MDA.

1. Where I work we can not have camera phones, so I'm limited by that.

(most importantly)

2. It seems MDA has Windows OS. I once previous had a PDA with Windows CE and it was the crappiest buggiest OS I'd ever worked with short of Windows ME.

AlbertoM
03-10-2006, 08:13 AM
Not much awe there. Getting to the point that one might as well carry a notebook computer.

Always love this a versus b questions. Much like going on a BMW forum and asking whether they like the Lexus better.

And, considering everything else, there is always that pesky thing about push mail...

takeshi
03-10-2006, 08:43 AM
People's needs definitely differ. What I'm always leery of is relying on the specs to compare products. Yes, they're hard numbers. However, they never really say anything about a product's reliability or ease of use which are two of the most important features to me. All the whistles and bells in the world don't mean a thing if the device is buggy or poorly designed (whether it's hardware or software).

wibbly
03-10-2006, 09:36 AM
The MDA Pro (here in the UK on T-Mobile) is also also a LARGE device. Smacks of 'creeping featurism' to me. Also I'm unconvinced WM5 is 'quite there' yet. To me the BB brings what early Palms did in their time - really robust functionality, very high utility and good performance/battery life/etc. They don't do everything, but what they do they do exceeedingly well.

It's like BB's are designed to reflect the needs of real users - whereas the WM5 stable is more about winning the length of the features list, today at too much cost to the UI, stability, battery life, size (in the case of the MDA Pro), etc.

Just my 2c

W

DuckWingDuck
03-10-2006, 11:12 AM
2. It seems MDA has Windows OS. I once previous had a PDA with Windows CE and it was the crappiest buggiest OS I'd ever worked with short of Windows ME.

I used the O2 XDA IIs running Windows Mobile (the descendant of Windows CE) and I loved it. It served my needs at the time wonderfully. I'm back onto BB now but I look back to the XDA with fondness.

joginder
03-10-2006, 12:43 PM
Also I am not big fan of thumb keyboard.

Hyper7PCR
03-10-2006, 12:46 PM
Go MDA away now.

wibbly
03-10-2006, 03:22 PM
Also I am not big fan of thumb keyboard.

Neither am I. But I still find it better than having to deal with a stylus on a touch screen on a train or bus or as a passenger in a car...

Fireproof
03-10-2006, 03:43 PM
Neither am I. But I still find it better than having to deal with a stylus on a touch screen on a train or bus or as a passenger in a car...

Yes - I'm incredibly more efficient with one hand on the BB than I am with stylus-based devices.

But I'll second the comment above on the OS - I've never had a crash on the BB. I've had plenty of crashes on the palm-based PDA phones (more than should be) and the PPC I tried.

For me, with heavy email usage, and little need for MP3 player (I have an IPOD and Nano for that) or phone (I have a nice compact Canon for that) or other miscellaneous apps (I have my Laptop for that), the BB is just the right choice when I'm out about town.

go2duke
03-10-2006, 09:57 PM
Hit the nail on the head... One handed operation makes the difference. I owned several "other" devices but none of them ever did exactly what I want and that includes the BB. The difference is the BB gives me the 80% solution. Like Mark I get the light web, heavy email, good phone and most apps that I need. With pocket pc's I get a lot of apps that I might use a few times daily, but it always seems unnatural...
...that seems to be the biggest difference. The usage of BB seems to be more natural and you can go from model to model and pick it right up and start using it. Never did that with out PDAs.. they were all different and moving from one to an another made a big difference.

-G2D

hondacrvaz
03-10-2006, 11:35 PM
8700 wins! Because the MDA is not....well...a BlackBerry. ;)
Enough said!! (y)

VidGameKing
03-11-2006, 11:31 AM
I had a MPx220 it sucked major balls.

Hyper7PCR
03-11-2006, 11:53 AM
MDA is not :bb:

TomN
03-11-2006, 07:15 PM
I had the Cingular 8125 which is pretty much the same as the MDA with some minor differences. It was a neat PDA but I went back to the Blackberry 8700. I didn't care for having to, at times, use both the keypad and stylus at the same time. Also it was very hard to use one handed. Plus I was hitting that reset button at least twice a day because of lockups or major slowdowns. As a phone the volume was tinny sounding and having to dial on the screen was a pain for me. But I do know a lot of people that have one and love it, so as they say, YMMV.

jmejonesnovo
03-13-2006, 08:17 AM
Its not even a competition. I just gave my Cingular 8125 (MDA clone) away. It was slow, antenna not as powerful, cumbersome. The only thing it has over the 8700 is voice dialing...which I do miss. BB rocks.

Now I did order the Nokia E61 from the UK preoder. That's the only thing that I think will give the BB a run if it has bb connect installed. Nokia just announced a US version, E62 w/o wifi, or bb connect....why, I don't know.

wibbly
03-13-2006, 09:31 AM
Hmm. BB Connect has always been the poor relation to the software in a RIM device so far...

Also the E61 has a 'joystick' instead of a wheel, right? I've never got on with joysticks on phones :-(

W

zygut
03-13-2006, 01:44 PM
Now I did order the Nokia E61 from the UK preoder. That's the only thing that I think will give the BB a run if it has bb connect installed. Nokia just announced a US version, E62 w/o wifi, or bb connect....why, I don't know.

Where were you able to pre-order the E61? I'm really curious about this device and will need to try it before I decide to get an 8700 or not.