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geekboy2000
07-28-2006, 01:39 PM
I'm considering this:
Currently, I have Comcast broadband internet, but also have Verizon DSL for redundancy (yes, at times, one or the other goes down for 24 hours or more). So, I'm thinking:

Dump the 8700c from Cingular, go with a 7250 from Verizon, and take advantage of Verizon's $15/month EV-DO broadband access/modem tethering for those times when Comcast is down. I'd be dumping my land-line completely, and relying on the 7250 for my only phone, as well as the BlackBerry features I now use, but also for broadband modem tethering. Their online chat rep (Verizon) just confirmed for me that the $15/month broadband add-on is truly unlimited. And with a 15 day return policy, it sounds like it might be a good plan - at least to try. My Verizon wireless bill would probably end up being about $140/month, which is about $35 more than I'm now spending with Cingular, but I'd be dumping a $90/month land-line/DSL bill. Net savings, about $55/month.

So is it just me, or does this sound like a reasonable plan, and what functions/features of the 8700c would I lose moving to a 7250? They seem very similar.

Thanks!
Mark

mrogers
07-28-2006, 01:47 PM
Have you ever used a 72xx series for any length of time? I had one for a year and a half, and now I have an 8700c...and I would rather eat rusting nails than go back to my 7290. It is astonishing how much more I get done just with the faster processor in the 8700c, let alone the much better display and louder call volume. You'd be torturing yourself by going back.

geekboy2000
07-28-2006, 01:58 PM
Have you ever used a 72xx series for any length of time? I had one for a year and a half, and now I have an 8700c...and I would rather eat rusting nails than go back to my 7290. It is astonishing how much more I get done just with the faster processor in the 8700c, let alone the much better display and louder call volume. You'd be torturing yourself by going back.

Thanks very much. That's exactly the kind of info I need. No, I haven't ever used a 72xx series BB, and it sure sounds like I don't want to. :) Let me expand on my question then. Do you feel that there's *any* Verizon EV-DO/broadband capable phone that would make a switch worth it to me? Or, all things considered, am I better exactly where I'm at? Thanks again.

Mark

junior1790
07-28-2006, 02:15 PM
if you can stand suretype ( it's about 50-50 people who love it or hate it), then the 7130 could be an option. Otherwise for a full qwerty keyboard, nothing compares to the 8700. The rest verizons devices are windows mobile5 or some variation of and believe me you do NOT want to go there, bad choice in my opinion. Stick with what you've got for now, rumor has verizon will have a 8700 by sept, oct....

HowieSee
07-28-2006, 02:33 PM
if you can stand suretype ( it's about 50-50 people who love it or hate it), then the 7130 could be an option. Otherwise for a full qwerty keyboard, nothing compares to the 8700. The rest verizons devices are windows mobile5 or some variation of and believe me you do NOT want to go there, bad choice in my opinion. Stick with what you've got for now, rumor has verizon will have a 8700 by sept, oct....

Meh, don't hate on the xv6700 (aka PPC6700)

Wifi built in, I pull 100KB + tethering via bluetooth or USB cable.

phone is great too, i do however, HATE dialing by touchscreen.

The other features of the phone are great, expandability are great as well.

I'm however, more into a "have it all in once device" person, including Mp3 replay, Movie replay, camera, movie cam, internet, IM, yadda yadda.

But for instant e-mail, nothing beats a blackberry.

geekboy2000
07-28-2006, 02:45 PM
if you can stand suretype ( it's about 50-50 people who love it or hate it), then the 7130 could be an option. Otherwise for a full qwerty keyboard, nothing compares to the 8700. The rest verizons devices are windows mobile5 or some variation of and believe me you do NOT want to go there, bad choice in my opinion. Stick with what you've got for now, rumor has verizon will have a 8700 by sept, oct....

Thanks. I much prefer the full QWERTY keyboard. If Nokia would re-invent the 6800, with a larger display, BIS, and bluetooth, I'd jump on it. That had to be my overall favorite phone/keyboard. In any case. Looks like I'll stick with what I've got. It's too bad that the best Cingular can offer is a $30 (I believe) modem tethering package at (from what I understand) not much better than dial-up speeds. :( Anyway, thanks for info!

Mark

junior1790
07-28-2006, 02:46 PM
Meh, don't hate on the xv6700 (aka PPC6700)

Wifi built in, I pull 100KB + tethering via bluetooth or USB cable.

phone is great too, i do however, HATE dialing by touchscreen.

The other features of the phone are great, expandability are great as well.

I'm however, more into a "have it all in once device" person, including Mp3 replay, Movie replay, camera, movie cam, internet, IM, yadda yadda.

But for instant e-mail, nothing beats a blackberry.
pretty much what i was trying to say, i tried the Q, treo 700w and just could give up the ease of use on my berry, i do however carry a razr as well for voice calls, two phones is a pain but thats the price of staying connected i guess...

geekboy2000
07-28-2006, 02:50 PM
Meh, don't hate on the xv6700 (aka PPC6700)

Wifi built in, I pull 100KB + tethering via bluetooth or USB cable.

phone is great too, i do however, HATE dialing by touchscreen.

The other features of the phone are great, expandability are great as well.

I'm however, more into a "have it all in once device" person, including Mp3 replay, Movie replay, camera, movie cam, internet, IM, yadda yadda.

But for instant e-mail, nothing beats a blackberry.

Thanks. So, here we go . . another alternative maybe. E-mail is important to me, but perhaps it's not essential that I have BIS/push. I had been using a Sony Ericsson Z520a for awhile, I *might* be able to live with that. But anyway, here's another question:

If you had to be without desktop broadband access for 48 hours, what phone would best fill the gap. The one thing that I have a hard time with (on the 8700c, even with Opera Mini), is the formatting of web pages. If there's a phone with "wide-screen" browser, that truly renders web pages correctly, *and* handles e-mail, IM, and text, with a QWERTY keyboard, then maybe that's a viable alternative for me. Hmm..

Mark

RydeWitM3
07-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Why not just use your cingular blackberry for tethering and internet access when your cable goes down. I have tmobile, and when i was remodeling i had to disconnect my cable modem and wireless router, and so i just plugged my BB8700G into my Thinkpad and went online. Its not that bad, its like a slow DSL connection.

geekboy2000
07-28-2006, 06:38 PM
Why not just use your cingular blackberry for tethering and internet access when your cable goes down. I have tmobile, and when i was remodeling i had to disconnect my cable modem and wireless router, and so i just plugged my BB8700G into my Thinkpad and went online. Its not that bad, its like a slow DSL connection.

I've heard Comcast's EDGE w/tethering isn't much better than dial-up, and at $30/month . . well, my 3.3MB DSL is only costing me that. I think the best option for me, eventually, might be to move to Verizon's EV-DO, but their BlackBerry lineup has only 2 models, neither of which I like. If I could unlock my 8700c, I don't think there'd be much to think about.

Mark

Dubdub
07-29-2006, 07:34 AM
Why not just go for dial-up when your high speed goes down? Would be much cheaper, although not as fast.

geekboy2000
07-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Why not just go for dial-up when your high speed goes down? Would be much cheaper, although not as fast.

Dial-up still requires a landline, and with Verizon (and a qualifying voice plan), they're giving me 3.3MB DSL for $24.95/month (after a $5 discount). So, we're probably talking about $15/month extra (at most) for DSL, which I can use with my second wireless network).

I saw that Kyocera offers an EV-DO wireless router for about $279. Ultimately, with an EV-DO phone, and Verizon's $15/month broadband package (with a BlackBerry package), I could plug the phone into the EV-DO router, and still maintain a second network if Comcast went down. Then again, I think I may be just getting myself nuts here. :)

Mark

drgoodtymes
07-29-2006, 02:36 PM
If you are really wanting to switch, hold out for a few more months and Verizon should have the 8700 series. I work for a VZW authorized dealer and everything we have seen points to October or November for the 8700 release on VZW.

geekboy2000
07-29-2006, 05:16 PM
If you are really wanting to switch, hold out for a few more months and Verizon should have the 8700 series. I work for a VZW authorized dealer and everything we have seen points to October or November for the 8700 release on VZW.

Thanks. That's not really that far off. That's what I'll do then. You know how it is being a gadget addict. It's hard to sit still for very long. I *almost* went out today to look at an LG VX9800. I just gotta cool off and wait.

drgoodtymes
07-29-2006, 06:07 PM
Thanks. That's not really that far off. That's what I'll do then. You know how it is being a gadget addict. It's hard to sit still for very long. I *almost* went out today to look at an LG VX9800. I just gotta cool off and wait.


Believe me I know how it is, now the problem is that my wife is becoming as big of a gaget freak as me, lord help up.

FYI, the 9800 is a joke, IMHO

rudyo
07-31-2006, 07:13 PM
Have you ever used a 72xx series for any length of time? I had one for a year and a half, and now I have an 8700c...and I would rather eat rusting nails than go back to my 7290. It is astonishing how much more I get done just with the faster processor in the 8700c, let alone the much better display and louder call volume. You'd be torturing yourself by going back.

Eat rusting nails??? :-) I love my 7250 and am a HEAVY user (3500 min a month and >100 emails daily) of well over a year.

Am I really missing that much with the 8700?

geekboy2000
07-31-2006, 08:51 PM
Believe me I know how it is, now the problem is that my wife is becoming as big of a gaget freak as me, lord help up.

FYI, the 9800 is a joke, IMHO

A friend at work has a 9800, and it seems pretty capable. Granted, AFAIK, it doesn't handle e-mail the way the BlackBerry does, but otherwise it *seems* to be loaded with features. It also seems (but I haven't seen it) that the "wide-screen" display, and it's web browser implementation would be nice. Although I don't depend on my 8700c for browsing, when I do use it, web pages are horribly mangled.

But, on another note, as part of my plan to break free of the landline, I did something drastic yesterday. I bought a Motorola V195 (very nice basic phone) from T-Mobile, with their 1500 anytime minutes plan, to use as my "home phone". It wasn't that much more money (if any at all) that Cingular for the extra minutes, and I have both a dedicated "home" phone, and some "backup", should either provider have a problem.

Yeah, maybe it's all about buying something new. :) Here at home, where I'll use the V195, I get full 5 bar signal strength, good call quality, and what seems to be outstanding battery life. This, of course, does not take into consideration my original plan to get something that would offer broadband speeds via modem tethering for backup internet access, but I figure, in a pinch I can use my BlackBerry for e-mail.

The only truly good news is that I'm the only gadget freak in the house. :)

tsac
07-31-2006, 09:09 PM
one thing to think about is using any cell phone for data and not being able to use it for phone at the same time. I had a 7290 and data was sloooow. Tried Verizon and not much better. now using a 8700c from cingular and the Edge network combined with the 8700 is fast. It may have been the processor speed on the other 72xx BB's In any event it works. I also tried to drop the telephone line and lost service on the Cell during a storm. figured that is not a good time to loose service so I had a "land" line put back in. another thought is if your in an area that cingular and ATT service you may be able to get a discount on service bundling. I have Verizon and they do with the phone line and DSL service. I would get more if i had their Cell serivce but think i will stay with Cingular until Verizon offers 87xx BB's. Had ATT cell service before Cingular took them over.
Never tried Tmobile , they may be better

good luck

geekboy2000
07-31-2006, 10:09 PM
I don't have much of a concern here about losing cell service, as although all of the lines here are underground, I typically lose my POTS/DSL on average, about every 2 months. Yes, they've wired the area for FIOS, but after a few good storms, the ground gets saturated, and my phone line crackles and then dies. I was told that they (Verizon) can't justify running an entirely new cable, when just a few homes are affected. In any case, I really believe I'll be more likely to have phone service with 2 cell phones with different carriers, than with Verizon's landline service. FIOS sounds attractive, but I'll wait until they can deliver TV as well, and so far, in my area, there's no ETA for that. Even with FIOS though, your telephone becomes VOIP. So, the network has issues, you have no phone service. It's amazing that as far as we've come, we still can't put "all our eggs in one basket", and expect it to be reliable.
But, to get back on topic, Verizon did provide me with a "bundled" discount for DSL. Still though, adding up all of my costs to be "wired" made me a bit queasy. As far as T-Mobile goes here (Philly suburbs), so far, the call quality and signal strength is great. I think ultimately, when Verizon offers the 8700, that'll be the way to go. EV-DO, modem tethering, etc, for prices that now seem to beat everyone else.

tsac
08-02-2006, 06:47 PM
To be covered, I have Verizon,Cingular and Sprint Cell service.
They all have some issues but generally work.
Good luck with what ever you do

hailer
08-03-2006, 10:10 AM
To be covered, I have Verizon,Cingular and Sprint Cell service.
They all have some issues but generally work.
Good luck with what ever you do

tsac, how do you get all three services? You surely don't pay a monthly bill to all three, do you?

Tennvol
08-04-2006, 06:59 AM
I had Comcast broadband and Netzero for a dial-up backup until I got my 8700G. I cancelled Comcast and Netzero and only tether on the 8700G. I still have 10 hours free on Netzero should my TMobile go down for any reason. While it's not blazing fast the 8700G is more than enough for me since I rarely download anything at home.

takeshi
08-04-2006, 08:50 AM
Eat rusting nails??? :-) I love my 7250 and am a HEAVY user (3500 min a month and >100 emails daily) of well over a year.

Am I really missing that much with the 8700?
The 72xx BB's are definitely very good. I still use a 7290 for work in addition to my 8700c for personal use. I definitely prefer the 8700c. The screen, responsiveness, EDGE, speakerpone, and MP3 ringers are pluses in my book. I have to agree with those that say the 87xx's don't feel as sturdy as the 72xx's but I've dropped my 8700c and aside from cosmetic case scratches it has held up just fine. The non-recessed screen is, however, annoying as you have to have some sort of screen protector which was not an issue with the 72xx's and other older models.