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kitmoni
03-03-2007, 03:37 PM
Other than the obvious answer (wait until March 11th)...

I'm on BES, and I've talked with IT about DST patches. They said they would be pushing the fix to all blackberry devices, which sounds awesome. Can I check my device to see if they have done this? I'm a heavy calendar user, and have two other individuals posting items into my calendar as well. I just want to make sure I'm doing things on time. :)

NJBlackBerry
03-03-2007, 03:41 PM
Click on the Options icon.
If IS pushed the patch, you'll see 2007 DST Patch as the first item.

Hopefully they have also patched the E-Mail servers also...

ac0403
03-03-2007, 03:42 PM
If you go to Options, there should be a 2007 DST Patch in there. Another way you can check is, to go to Options, Date/Time and then check to see if you have a Mexico City - New timezone. If you do then you're patched, if not then you're not.

NJBlackBerry
03-03-2007, 03:43 PM
I didn't notice the Mexico City - New timezone until you pointed it out! Thank you!

ac0403
03-03-2007, 03:52 PM
No problem....I've been quite involved with patching everything concerning DST at work, so I think I've gotten to know the in's and out's of DST.

kitmoni
03-03-2007, 03:55 PM
Wirelessly posted (Thumpers 8700c: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8703e/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)

Great NJ & ac, thank you! Looks like I'm not patched yet, but we are a very large shop (>50,000 users), so I'll have faith (and keep checking). Have a great weekend...

John Clark
03-03-2007, 04:06 PM
Ok...I must be missing something. Does the Pearl require the patch? I understood that it does. I have Mexico City as a time zone but nothing about 2007 DST Patch in the options. It appears I've been patched (RE the Mexico City time zone) but I don't see the patch in the options.

ac0403
03-03-2007, 04:19 PM
Ok...I must be missing something. Does the Pearl require the patch? I understood that it does. I have Mexico City as a time zone but nothing about 2007 DST Patch in the options. It appears I've been patched (RE the Mexico City time zone) but I don't see the patch in the options.

If your BB Pearl has OS 4.2.0 then yes you will need to patch it. If it has 4.2.1 or later then you do not have to.

As for the Mexico City timezone, there has always been a Mexico City timezone, if you have the 2007 DST patch applied then it will have a "Mexico City" AND a "Mexico City - New" time zone. So if you don't have "Mexico City - New" then you are not patched, hence you do not see the 2007 DST Patch under Options.

John Clark
03-03-2007, 04:22 PM
I knew I was missing something! Thanks. Missed the "-New"

JSanders
03-03-2007, 04:27 PM
Wirelessly posted (8700g: BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

Hey, the "Mexico City - New" is.a good thing to know, thanks! I see I have both "Mexico City (-6)" and "Mexico City - New (-6)", as well as, of course, the 2007 DST Patch in the Options.

NJBlackBerry
03-03-2007, 04:34 PM
I believe the Mexico City -New is PART of the DST patch...

ac0403
03-03-2007, 04:39 PM
I believe the Mexico City -New is PART of the DST patch...

That is correct..."Mexico City - New" is one of many new changes part of the 2007 DST.

NJBlackBerry
03-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Which will be valid until Congress changes it again. Or maybe not.
March 11th is going to be messier for the average consumer than Y2K...

John Clark
03-03-2007, 04:42 PM
I think it's more of an issue for business with many computers. It took me 10 minutes to fix my home computer and my wife's BB. The admins are pulling out their hair.

ac0403
03-03-2007, 04:45 PM
From what I have heard (I can not confirm this) but the 2007 DST changes will stay in place until 2009.

It is coming down to crunch time for DST patching. There is a lengthy process involved with patching servers and workstations for DST. Especially Exchange and BES. To make matters worse, Microsoft is requiring that companies still running Exchange 2000 to pay $4,000 for a patch, which is a little steep.

John Clark
03-03-2007, 04:51 PM
ac0403, in case nobody else said it.....

Welcome to the forums. You've already been most helpful.

~John

ac0403
03-03-2007, 04:52 PM
I think it's more of an issue for business with many computers. It took me 10 minutes to fix my home computer and my wife's BB. The admins are pulling out their hair.

That is correct....for the average home user, all they have to do is run Windows Updates and their machines are patched.

For businesses, the process is a little different. It involves multiple patches and before the patching can occur, testing must be done to make sure these patches don't break anything. The process takes longer and varies depending on their environments.

NJBlackBerry
03-03-2007, 04:52 PM
It was originally $40,000. Reduced to $4,000. Unconscionable.

ac0403
03-03-2007, 04:54 PM
ac0403, in case nobody else said it.....

Welcome to the forums. You've already been most helpful.

~John

Thanks for the welcome! And I am glad to be of assistance.

Peterme
03-04-2007, 08:51 AM
On my 8700g 4.1.0.284 I see "2007 DST patch applied." in my Options menu, but my "Mexico City (-6)" time zone does not say "New".

dkf747
03-05-2007, 08:18 AM
I have 4.1.0.377 on my 8700g. Someone said that the .377 OS doesn't need to be patched. I just want to confirm this with anybody. There is no indication in options about it.

JSanders
03-05-2007, 08:26 AM
I have 4.1.0.377 on my 8700g. Someone said that the .377 OS doesn't need to be patched. I just want to confirm this with anybody. There is no indication in options about it.

That does appear to be correct.. from the RIM website:
"BlackBerry Device Software Versions 4.1.0.375, 4.1.0.377 and 4.1.0.378
These versions of BlackBerry Device Software contain the new DST table to support the new transition times so no action is required. See these tables for a list of current service providers, BlackBerry device models and versions that fall into this category. Click on the service provider name to go to their software download page."
BlackBerry (http://www.blackberry.com/select/dst2007/resolutions/device_impact.shtml#v410378)

ac0403
03-06-2007, 03:33 PM
On my 8700g 4.1.0.284 I see "2007 DST patch applied." in my Options menu, but my "Mexico City (-6)" time zone does not say "New".

It appears that RIM has released a new 2007 DST patch that no longer displays the "Mexico City - New" Timezone. So I guess the only way now to verify if the patch is installed is through the "2007 DST Patch" under Options.

IceCreaMan
03-06-2007, 07:57 PM
if your blackberry doesnt bluescreen, then you will know

kitmoni
03-07-2007, 01:57 PM
It appears that RIM has released a new 2007 DST patch that no longer displays the "Mexico City - New" Timezone. So I guess the only way now to verify if the patch is installed is through the "2007 DST Patch" under Options.
I can confirm that I have the patch, and do not show the "New" timezone. It was interesting that my IT department initially told me they would be pushing the change from the BES. However, last night they sent me an email with a link to make the change by downloading the patch from the blackberry site. Is this possibly because of the hefty MS fee? Interesting. I could have done the patch weeks ago if I had known they were going to do that.

On the flip side, my Lotus Notes (I know, I think it sucks too) is completely hosed. IT says I have the patch, but appointments are already off by one hour starting next week. Surprisingly, this is worse than Y2K. At least that was a non-event.

hailer
03-07-2007, 02:18 PM
Another confirm. I have the patch but no "Mexico City - New" timezone, just "Mexico City."

ac0403
03-07-2007, 10:35 PM
I can confirm that I have the patch, and do not show the "New" timezone. It was interesting that my IT department initially told me they would be pushing the change from the BES. However, last night they sent me an email with a link to make the change by downloading the patch from the blackberry site. Is this possibly because of the hefty MS fee? Interesting. I could have done the patch weeks ago if I had known they were going to do that.

On the flip side, my Lotus Notes (I know, I think it sucks too) is completely hosed. IT says I have the patch, but appointments are already off by one hour starting next week. Surprisingly, this is worse than Y2K. At least that was a non-event.

The hefty MS fee is not the reason why your IT department did not push it out through the BES. I think the reason was because they probably had issues with the BES not playing nice so instead of spending countless hours trying to get it to work, they would just have all the users do it manually.

I am unfamiliar with Lotus Notes since all I really work with is Microsoft Exchange, but there is a calendar update tool that needs to be ran for Exchange users...So I would only assume that there is a similar tool for Lotus Notes.

mssconsulting
03-08-2007, 11:39 AM
I have 4.1.0.377 on my 8700g. Someone said that the .377 OS doesn't need to be patched. I just want to confirm this with anybody. There is no indication in options about it.
I spoke with Blackberry tech support this morning about this matter. First of all, I was on hold for 27 minutes before I could talk to a human, and then I had to deal with a person who knew nothing about anything related to my 8700c. After she put me on hold for the fourth time to ask someone more knowledgeable, I was disconnected. Basically, I just wanted to know why, if indeed my operating system (4.1.0.377) does not require the patch, all dates in my device's calendar are one hour ahead after March 11?

Prior to this stupid DST change, one could enter an appointment scheduled for after DST was to commence, and it would not show up on the device as one hour ahead, right?

John Clark
03-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Have you updated Windows and your PC's calendar program? If you run Outlook you'll need to run the Outlook timezone tool (I would expect similar tools for other calendar apps.) If all that is done, then I don't have any other answers.

mssconsulting
03-08-2007, 01:43 PM
Have you updated Windows and your PC's calendar program? If you run Outlook you'll need to run the Outlook timezone tool (I would expect similar tools for other calendar apps.) If all that is done, then I don't have any other answers.
Windows XP is updated via Automatic Updates, and when I ran the Outlook timezone tool, I got a message that it had already been installed (I assume by automatic update).

Am I the only 8700 owner that is experiencing all Calendar events after March 11 shown one hour ahead of the time I entered them in Outlook?

John Clark
03-08-2007, 01:59 PM
I was under the impression that that version didn't require the patch. Have you tried patching it anyway?

rjw3000
03-08-2007, 02:27 PM
Just checked my 2007 DST Patch under Options, and after 2 days of having the message of patch is running, it finally says patch is installed. Two timezones I have are "Mexico City - New" and "Chihuahua - New". The patch applied was 2.3.

My company seemed to have had issues pushing this out through BES as well and sent out an email to update by clicking on the link.

mssconsulting
03-08-2007, 08:01 PM
I was under the impression that that version didn't require the patch. Have you tried patching it anyway?
The Blackberry web site says that for my version (4.0.1.377) there are two options - Option one is to manually move the clock forward on March 11, and then manually move it back on April 1. Option 2 is to install the patch as per "Impact to Blackberry Devices".

That link takes you to a page with lists of versions to select; when I select my version, it goes to another page that states that this version supports the transition to DST, so no action is required.

Then why are all my appointments after March 11 shown as one hour ahead on my device? This is the question I was trying to get answered on the phone today with Blackberry technical support. I guess they couldn't answer it, so they disconnected me.

Hey, and I was nice as could be on the phone with the technical person....

southernbills
03-08-2007, 10:16 PM
I also have .377 on my 8700 and have found out that I do not need the patch. I used a very simple test to figure it out. (I must confess that I actually read and followed the instructions from RIMS website:oops: )
Go into options and select date/time. Manually adjust the time to 1:59AM and the date to March 11, 2007. Turn off the option to retrieve the time from the network or the blackberry. Then save that setting and wait one minute. If you have the updated software, when it becomes 2:00AM, it automagically becomes 3:00AM! After the test, go back into date/time and have the date/time synchronized from the network to restore the correct date/time.
BTW-the one hour ahead problem is from the DST patch to Outlook on your desktop.

meagvg
03-08-2007, 10:17 PM
The Blackberry web site says that for my version (4.0.1.377) there are two options - Option one is to manually move the clock forward on March 11, and then manually move it back on April 1. Option 2 is to install the patch as per "Impact to Blackberry Devices".

That link takes you to a page with lists of versions to select; when I select my version, it goes to another page that states that this version supports the transition to DST, so no action is required.

Then why are all my appointments after March 11 shown as one hour ahead on my device? This is the question I was trying to get answered on the phone today with Blackberry technical support. I guess they couldn't answer it, so they disconnected me.

Hey, and I was nice as could be on the phone with the technical person....
I am having the exact same problem. I have patched my 8703, and updated Windows. Any changes in Outlook and/or Entourage sync fine with the Blackberry but any change or new appointment made on the BB is shown as an hour later on the desktop.
No help from RIM or my BES provider. Anyone have a solution??

mssconsulting
03-08-2007, 11:51 PM
I also have .377 on my 8700 and have found out that I do not need the patch. I used a very simple test to figure it out. (I must confess that I actually read and followed the instructions from RIMS website:oops: )
Go into options and select date/time. Manually adjust the time to 1:59AM and the date to March 11, 2007. Turn off the option to retrieve the time from the network or the blackberry. Then save that setting and wait one minute. If you have the updated software, when it becomes 2:00AM, it automagically becomes 3:00AM! After the test, go back into date/time and have the date/time synchronized from the network to restore the correct date/time.
BTW-the one hour ahead problem is from the DST patch to Outlook on your desktop.
So, then - are you also experiencing all your appointments after March 11 being one hour later than they actually are?

jviola_simi
03-09-2007, 11:18 AM
I can confirm that I have the patch, and do not show the "New" timezone. It was interesting that my IT department initially told me they would be pushing the change from the BES. However, last night they sent me an email with a link to make the change by downloading the patch from the blackberry site. Is this possibly because of the hefty MS fee? Interesting. I could have done the patch weeks ago if I had known they were going to do that.

On the flip side, my Lotus Notes (I know, I think it sucks too) is completely hosed. IT says I have the patch, but appointments are already off by one hour starting next week. Surprisingly, this is worse than Y2K. At least that was a non-event.

OK, so I'll take great offense to the Notes sucks issue. Most times the reason it "sucks" is the people who are in charge of mainting it haven't taken the time to learn the features and the users haven't taken the time to learn it.....I'll agree if you just want to send e-mail don't bother with it.....besides now that Microsoft has Ray Ozzie(the original Notes designer) maybe exchange will catch up with the other 90%....at least Lotus isn't charging for it's DST patch...you don't even have to be under maintenance.....sounds like your Admins were to lazy to do it...sorry rant over...

Jeff
Sr. Lotus Administrator

southernbills
03-09-2007, 11:24 AM
So, then - are you also experiencing all your appointments after March 11 being one hour later than they actually are?
Only the appointments that were already on my desktop before the Outlook DST patch was applied.

Andi
03-09-2007, 12:41 PM
I believe the Mexico City -New is PART of the DST patch...

BUT... Mexico City- New and Chihuahua - New do not appear on older (prior to 4.1.0.346) HH OS versions after the patch has been applied.

mssconsulting
03-09-2007, 12:52 PM
I also have .377 on my 8700 and have found out that I do not need the patch.
You're confusing me, dude. You said in the posted quote above that you didn't need the patch, and now you're talking about teh dates being correct after you applied the patch. Did you do it, or not?

mssconsulting
03-09-2007, 03:37 PM
One more quirky thing - whenever I synch my 8700c, the clock on my device moves back one hour. I really think that the world is going to be in chaos starting this Sunday.

albiesf
03-09-2007, 09:46 PM
Whoa, that sounds scary. I'm assuming the PC you're syncing to is also updated with the DST patch from Microsoft, although I know that's been a nightmare for my IT guys. If you're syncing on your own personal desktop not connected to the network, I hope you've already updated that.

I agree with you...I think there will be a lot of missed appointments and flights on Monday.

southernbills
03-09-2007, 10:16 PM
You're confusing me, dude. You said in the posted quote above that you didn't need the patch, and now you're talking about teh dates being correct after you applied the patch. Did you do it, or not?
I did not apply the patch to the 8700. However my office applied the Outlook patch to our desktop servers.
My test on the 8700 was to see if the .377 OS already had the DST dates updated or if I needed to apply the patch.
Sorry for the confusion

nileon
03-10-2007, 10:54 AM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Anywhere I can dwnload patch strght onto my BB? I'm not near my desk for 3 days!

kitmoni
03-10-2007, 02:00 PM
Wirelessly posted (Thumpers 8700c: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8703e/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)

Hey Jeff, let me clarify for you. We outsource to IBM, so it's liky we have a nearly obsolete implementation. I will admit that the database features of Notes are significantly stronger than Exchange's "public folders". BUT, for a messaging solution it is a dinosaur at best. Three or four clicks to do what takes one or two in exchange. No folder sorting memory (for those of us that actually file messages). Super slow and labor intensive address book management (like only able to keep one email address per contact). Very limited drag and drop. There is more, but this shouldn't turn into a Notes review thread.

I'll admit that there are some powerful features, if you'll admit there is some significant user un-friendliness. I just heard from our admin on my patch issue - I'm patched, but I still have to go in and manually change many of my recurring appointments, and those in the affected date range.

JSanders
03-10-2007, 02:07 PM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Anywhere I can dwnload patch strght onto my BB? I'm not near my desk for 3 days!


Yep, i've personally posted this link about a dozen times in the past few days, other have also.

BlackBerry (http://www.blackberry.com/select/dst2007/)

kitmoni
03-11-2007, 05:55 PM
Interesting note to add here. I did install the patch, and I do see the 2007 DST Patch under options. HOWEVER, my device hasn't changed for DST yet, and when I click on the Patch in options it tells me: "2007 DST Patch Manager is running... Patch not found: Trying again later at: Mar 11,2007 6:19pm". The time moves each time it tries and adds a later time.

Does this mean there's a problem applying the patch to my device?

kitmoni
03-11-2007, 06:13 PM
Interesting note to add here. I did install the patch, and I do see the 2007 DST Patch under options. HOWEVER, my device hasn't changed for DST yet, and when I click on the Patch in options it tells me: "2007 DST Patch Manager is running... Patch not found: Trying again later at: Mar 11,2007 6:19pm". The time moves each time it tries and adds a later time.

Does this mean there's a problem applying the patch to my device?
Now it's fixed. I went on-line and did the USB patch and that worked great. My time automatically changed and I'm good. That doesn't solve the calendar issues I'm having with Notes, but the inconvenience should be somewhat minor.

saa001
03-11-2007, 08:15 PM
Yes, chaos has ensued. My microwave did not change time (it doesn't do the daylight saving thing). The horror of taking 20 seconds to change the time. Also my car did not change time. I had to spend another 20 seconds changing that too.

This was really blown out of proportion. Yes there was some minor incconvinience but really it was a Sunday and that gives a lot of people time to fix anything they mave have overlooked.

One more quirky thing - whenever I synch my 8700c, the clock on my device moves back one hour. I really think that the world is going to be in chaos starting this Sunday.

John Clark
03-11-2007, 08:22 PM
True. For the individual user it's really not that big of a deal. Just set the clock. However, if you use calendar connected to an exchange server on a BES then it is a big deal because your appointments will be an hour off. If you invite others to meetings using the calendar function, which many people do, then it creates real havoc on the whole system because they are all interconnected with the individual PC's time, Outlook's programming, the BB's time, the Exchange server's time and the BES server's time. If any one is not corrected then problems ensue. That's where the problem lies.

For someone who has a BB and doesn't use any of that stuff then it's no big deal. Just set the clock and move on.

kitmoni
03-11-2007, 09:15 PM
I agree with John here. I don't think it will be chaos, but it's not as simple as resetting your microwave, saa. I'm a Notes user, and we patched. But the patch doesn't apply to recurring calendar entries or invites sent from someone else. So I have to inspect my calendar for entries that meet those criteria and may be off (but no guarantee). Plus, you can't change a calendar entry send via invite from someone else because they own it. So you need to send them an email to request that they change the calendar time on their end. Or just delete the entry and enter a non-invite version, which of course completely eliminates the benefit of invitations where you can manage attendees dynamically.

If it were just my microwave I would be quite happy. That was adjusted before beddy-bye. But since I now have to question every calendar entry for the next month, then again at the end of DST, it's a bit more of an inconvenience, and may cause some missed commitments.

NJBlackBerry
03-11-2007, 09:20 PM
Please note that if you did not patch your PC or BB, then on April 1st, it will jump ahead an hour, and it will fall back on the OLD date in October and not the new date in November.

Nothing more than a nuisance for the consumer. But please don't post and ask, on April 1st, why your BB has the wrong time :-)

SharifTK
03-11-2007, 09:42 PM
I have this "2007 DST Patch" on the top of my options menu - it's just annoying me lol ... I want it gone :(