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Old 05-24-2006, 04:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Hands on review: Seidio 8700 USB Desktop Cradle

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Blackberry 8700 USB Desktop Cradle

Hands on review by lgreenberg

May 24, 2006

Price as reviewed: $24.95 for cradle with USB cable only or $34.95 for cradle with USB cable and Travel charger

** I have been told by Seidio, but can not comfirm since I only have a 8700c in my possession, that this cradle works with all variations of the 8700x series.

Therexxx8217;s nothing like being on the cutting edge. I love when companies see something thatxxx8217;s missing in the market place and fill the hole with a wonderful new product. Seidio has done it again with the release of their Blackberry 8700 Desktop Cradle.

Since the Blackberry 8700xxx8217;s charging port is uniquely located on the side of the device designing a cradle which would not only hold the device upright but charge and sync it as well would be no easy task.

RIM themselves hadnxxx8217;t done it yet. Those of us who liked using a cradle were forced to use the RIM cradle designed for the 72xx series Blackberry.



This sort of worked but it really didnxxx8217;t hold the 8700 securely. The slightest bump and out came the device. Not to mention you needed to plug the OEM cables directly into the Blackberry. This was really nothing more than a stand. Good for keeping the device upright but not really safe.



Well it wasnxxx8217;t long ago that David Chang from Seidio surveyed Blackberry Forums members about what products theyxxx8217;d like to see developed for the 8700. A cradle seemed to be at the top of everyonexxx8217;s list. A few short weeks later, BAM! Seidio releases there own cradle for the 8700. I love it!



The cradle is available in two configurations.

For $24.95 youxxx8217;ll get the cradle and a mini USB to USB cable. This will allow you to sync your Blackberry with your computer as well as charge it but only when your computer is turned on.



Or for $34.95 you get the ultimate set up. Not only do you get the cradle and the mini USB to USB cable but you also get a DC to USB cable and a USB/DC charging adapter. This allows you to both sync your Blackberry with your PC. It also allows you to charge your Blackberry even when your computer is turned off.





For me itxxx8217;s no decision. For the extra $10 Ixxx8217;d go with the full package every time. Personally I turn my computer off every night and thatxxx8217;s the time I plug my Blackberry in to be charged. I mean think about it. When your computerxxx8217;s turned on, youxxx8217;re sitting in front of it. Chances are youxxx8217;re reading your e-mail on your PC. I let my Blackberry charge when Ixxx8217;m not using it.

The cradle is made of hard, durable, black plastic. There is no branding of any kind on the cradle.



The back of the cradle has to ports, one for the mini USB cable and one for the power adapter.





Once everythingxxx8217;s plugged in the cradle emits a blue light on the front letting you know itxxx8217;s drawing power. I was somewhat disappointed to see that the light really doesnxxx8217;t do anything else. It just keeps a constant blue.

I donxxx8217;t use my LED on the Blackberry itself. So it would be great if the blue LED on the cradle was actually a charging indicator. I wished it only lit up when charging was actually occurring instead of lighting up as soon as the cradle itself is plugged in.



To insert the 8700 in to the cradle you simply position it along the grooved area of the cradle.

Because of the special location of the mini USB port on the Blackberry it's important to really push hard on the device to make sure a proper connection is made. It's not as easy as simply dropping the device into the cradle and off you go. It does take a little work to get it done. It can be inserted one handed but for me requires two to remove.

After speaking with Seidio's technical support people it seems that the side convenience key is partially to blame for the difficulty in making the connection between the cradle and the device. Since it's right below the mini USB port it can sometime prevent the connection from being completely made. Rest assured Seidio is aware of this issue and is looking at alternate solutions. It's not that it's a major issue but a fix could simply make things easier.

Edit- I awoke this morning to find my Blackberry only at 80% battery even though it had been in the cradle all night. So it looks like the Blackberry lost it's charging connection sometime during the night. It seems the connection issue might be a bigger problem that I thought. I do have Egrips on the back of my Blackberry so this may be causing the issue. I'll have to test it tonight with the Egrips removed to see if it happens again.



Then you slide it in.



For those of you who use Egrips I found when I had them on my battery door it was much harder to make the proper connection between the device and the cradle. Once I removed the Egrips from the back inserting the device into the cradle became much easier.

I donxxx8217;t plan on removing my Egrips but wanted to make anyone who does use them aware of this. Itxxx8217;s not a problem per se. It doesnxxx8217;t seem to effect the overall usage of the cradle itself. It just makes that initial insertion of device to cradle a little stiffer.

With both cables plugged in the back youxxx8217;ll also be able to sync your device with the cradle.





One thing worth mentioning. If you are an extended battery user take note. Siedio is working on a version of this cradle which will accommodate the extended battery. So if you primarily use the larger battery you may want to wait.

Also, it's impossible to use this cradle while your device is in a case or skin. If you use a form fitting case or skin just be aware, you'll have to remove your device from the case every time you want to charge it on this cradle.

Several people have reported having similar issues to the one I mentioned above where the Blackberry will not stay connected while in this cradle. This seems to be a bigger issue than I initially thought.

I'm also not going to give this item a rating until the above issue is addressed.

Pros: Nothing else like it available, charges and syncs.
Cons: LED doesnxxx8217;t indicate when charging is occurring, won't work with any skins or cases, possible problem with connection.

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Old 05-24-2006, 06:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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lgreenberg,
Great review. I'm a little confused about one thing. It seems to me that you could just plug the original Blackberry charger into the cradle. I guess the advantage of the extra charger is that a) you have two now, and b) you can have the charger and the USB cable plugged in at the same time.
I wonder: would you want them both plugged in at the same time? That would be a double electricity source...
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I was a little confused at first myself.

But I think you get it and I do now.

If you plugged the OEM Blackberry charger into the back of the cradle you'd have to unplug the sync cable to do so. You'd then be limited to only charging the Blackberry. When you wanted to sync your device via the cradle you'd have to then unplug the charging cable and plug in the sync cable.

By using the DC in 5V cable you're able to both charge and sync and more importantly charge when your computer is off without ever having to unplug a cable.

The cradle claims to utilize some sort of "quick charge technology" so I'm guessing having two power sources plugged in won't have any adverse effect. Personally having owned and reviewed many of Seidio's products over the years I trust what they stand behind.
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Thanks. That sounds right. I'm going to use this at work so I think I'm okay without the charger which wasn't available when I ordered it...
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, in that sort of situation you wouldn't need the DC charger.

If you're at work more than likely your computer will be on and that'll power the cradle.

I have this plugged in at home. So the DC cable is important to me since I do turn off my PC at night. And since it's at night when I like to leave my BB to charge.
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Old 05-24-2006, 07:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks Larry. Been waiting for your review before placing the order. 5 blackberries did the trick.
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I can't wait for mine to get here!
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Old 05-25-2006, 05:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I've updated my review with concerns over the connection issue.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lgreenberg
I've updated my review with concerns over the connection issue.

Mine just got here. However, I can't get it to connect at all...

If I hold it in, it connects, but if I let go, it pops right off the usb connection.

It's almost like the usb connection that plugs into the BB is just a TOUCH too short. My side convenience key is what's getting in the way...

BEWARE...this thing is NOT working for me...

EDIT - So you know, My case is completely stock...no case, no e-grips...it's factory fresh.

Now what?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizzle
Mine just got here. However, I can't get it to connect at all...

If I hold it in, it connects, but if I let go, it pops right off the usb connection.

It's almost like the usb connection that plugs into the BB is just a TOUCH too short. My side convenience key is what's getting in the way...

BEWARE...this thing is NOT working for me...

EDIT - So you know, My case is completely stock...no case, no e-grips...it's factory fresh.

Now what?
Just experimented with this. If you take a hard straight edge and lie it flat against the length of the left side of the 8700, then press inward upon the edge, (at least in my case) the convenience button is not depressed at all. Therefore, it's the body's curve that is preventing the solid contact with the charger's usb connector, not the convenience button. If you look at the vertical edge of where the 8700 sits within the charger, it doesn't appear to accommodate its concave curve. Then again, there may be enough 'slop' in the tolerances of either the 8700's plastic body and/or the charger that this combo may work for some but not others.

Can anyone confirm that Seidio is doing the OEM production on these? They're all over the place either with someone else's branding or without any branding whatsoever. Seidio shouldn't get nailed for a design oversight if they didn't do the work.
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Seidio is not manufacturing these cradles.

I had a lengthy talk yesterday with Seidio's technical support person. He is aware of the issue and is working at a fix.

It's definetly a concern.
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My cradle arrived today and I too am having the same isue. It only charges if I squeeze it on the cradle much the same way as Pizzle noted. My blackberry is completely stock with no skin whatsoever.

I thinks it will have to go back. Oh well it was work a try.
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I've gone back to the 72xx series cradle already.

It's way to difficult to insert/remove the BB from this cradle for me.
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Mine has not yet arrived but obviously my enthusiasm level is dropping quickly. This was an expensive purchase in Canadian dollars with shipping. I expect Seidio to address this issue with customers that have paid for a product that apparently doesn't work as advertised.

And I don't agree that they are in any way off the hook if they didn't design and/or manufacture it. You brand it, you sell it, you have to stand behind it. This is especially true if you are a boutique outfit like Seidio that greatly relies upon word-of-mouth recommendations such as are shared on this forum.

I'll post with further feedback when my unit arrives.
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lgreenberg, have you heard from David and the folks there? Should we send these things back already?
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Haven't heard back from them yet re: a PM I sent about the problem this morning.
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Right on. Thanks for being the point person on this. I LOVE my Seidio holster, and have had a great experience with them. This doesn't sour me on the company...just hoping we can get a fix for this issue.

Thanks again.
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Yeah, I have no doubt, not should anyone, that they'll work with everyone to get through the issues.

Just be patient.
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Quote:
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Right on. Thanks for being the point person on this. I LOVE my Seidio holster, and have had a great experience with them. This doesn't sour me on the company...just hoping we can get a fix for this issue.

Thanks again.
Absolutely. The holster is great and problems do happen. What sets companies apart is how they deal with the problems. David seems like a stand-up guy so my expectations remain high.
Lgreenberg, thanks for following up.
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Well, I just got mine today, and all I can say is I don't seem to have any problems at all making the connection. I just plugged my charger into the USB port in the back, slipped in the BB, and it's been charging just fine.

100% satisfied.

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