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Old 10-23-2007, 10:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Non-Notes user on a BES for Domino Server

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I'm sure that the answer to this is no, but I figured I would give it a try.

We currently have a BES for Domino server in place. We will soon be adding an Exchange server to our WAN, which is supposed to look to Domino's Names.nsf for calendar and address info (via the Notes Connectors).

Is there some method in which I could "trick" BES into thinking an Outlook/Exchange user is a Notes user (e.g. creating a dummy Person Document, with the user's true email address, such that the user is selectable from BES' Add Users (Domino) list)?

Obviously there are other concerns (Roaming would not exist, so address book could not be synched).

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The problem with this approach is that, whilst you can create a dummy record with the exchange email address it would not get round the mailfile problem.

When you add a user to a Domino BES, it searches names.nsf for that user and pulls in the home mailfile location from their record, server and filepath. You have control over which Address Book and Journal are specified, but the mailfile pulls direct from names.nsf and is uneditable.

Even if you "tricked" names.nsf into listing an exchange mailfile in the person record for that user, the agents on the Domino BES server would have problems copntacting it as it is (a) not an NSF file, so would be alien to the whole domino BES mail system and (b) not sure you'd get that far, as the exchange server would not be in the same notes named network and/or have a connection document from Domino BES.
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You can't do what you want to do.
Domino for BES needs to have a real Domino mail file to function properly.
A dummy person document in the address book will not suffice.
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Oh penguin3107, you said it so much faster. I need to stop waffling on so much.
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TTCTECH - much better idea --> Fully register all your users on Domino, install notes for them, forward all their exchange mail to their domino mailfiles, et voila! Two problems solved. Users on BES AND eliminated exchange mail! Hurrah!

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Unhappy Re: Tricking BES

Thanks everyone for your fast, and in depth responses.

I was pretty sure that would be the answer.

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TTCTECH - much better idea --> Fully register all your users on Domino, install notes for them, forward all their exchange mail to their domino mailfiles, et voila! Two problems solved. Users on BES AND eliminated exchange mail! Hurrah!

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I was going to add, why not just migrate the exchange users to Domino. They could still use outlook if they were persistent, but you could always migrate the whole lot to Notes / Domino.
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Unfortunately we have a pro-Notes shop, and a pro-Exchange shop...and neither want to part ways with their chosen messaging systems.
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Unfortunately we have a pro-Notes shop, and a pro-Exchange shop...and neither want to part ways with their chosen messaging systems.
Maybe someone will change their minds now that it's clear you'll need to purchase another BES to have support both platforms.
Whether it be Domino, or Exchange... it makes sense to consolidate to a single messaging platform in the long run.
You've already invested in Domino BES... so it sort of makes a bit of financial sense to dump Exchange at this point.
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Maybe someone will change their minds now that it's clear you'll need to purchase another BES to have support both platforms.
Whether it be Domino, or Exchange... it makes sense to consolidate to a single messaging platform in the long run.
You've already invested in Domino BES... so it sort of makes a bit of financial sense to dump Exchange at this point.
I concur

Migrating from Exchange to Domino is far less painful o the business than the other way round. Forgetting the mail and blackberry side for the time being. If you were to migrate the other way, what happens to the notes applications?

Sorry, got my Notes hat on. I lose count with the times I've had this discussion with directors.
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Question Re: BES and BES Lite

How about this scenario?:

Since we already have the production BES for Domino, could we install BES Lite for Exchange (we're probably talking less than 5 BB users on the Exchange side)? Is this possible, and if so, could we actually utilize the BES Router (already in place in the DMZ) for BOTH BES setups?

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How about this scenario?:

Since we already have the production BES for Domino, could we install BES Lite for Exchange (we're probably talking less than 5 BB users on the Exchange side)? Is this possible, and if so, could we actually utilize the BES Router (already in place in the DMZ) for BOTH BES setups?

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To be honest, I'd run away from that scenario!
Maybe it is possible, I have no idea. However, IMO it would be better to keep the 2 BES systems totally separate.
Or, if it is only 5 users on exchange, tell them they have to migrate.
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