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Old 10-26-2007, 12:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone interested in this competitive offering from Microsoft for Windows Mobile devices? Looks like they're shooting for Q1/Q2 2008 for it's release, just ahead of BES 5.0's tentatively scheduled release target date (May 2008, although somehow I don't think it'll still be doing the early beta rounds at that time).

Licensing for MDM will be through Volume Licensing and not a free product from what I'm gathering, so there goes the one big advantage Microsoft had over BlackBerry in terms of perceived, face-value TCO.

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Old 10-26-2007, 05:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm sure my company would be interested in MDM 2008, some people prefer windows mobile over blackberry.

Jibi from what you have heard/read/seen how would this compare to BES?
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From what I gather they're addressing a lot of the device fleet management issues by implementing a proper console with IT policies. The current management console for Direct Push (the Active Sync Web Administration Tool) only has the ability to remote kill a handset, so it really lacked features.

What I found amusing was this quote in the launch speech:

"Enterprise-wide mobility has not taken off because companies are overwhelmed by the complexity and volume of issues unique to this environment"

Does anybody else feel this? I don't. I think MS saw their product not take off because it wasn't very good!!!
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Old 10-26-2007, 09:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hey Guys ...

I have a webcast if anyone missed it .. I believe it's posted on Jason's site as well.

We have around 600 WM devices and a large portion will likely move back to a Blackberry due to poor performance / battery life etc.

We will likely get the MDM as we are a big MS shop with SMS etc. From what I've heard is full System Center intergration is not due till 2009 and the first one will be stand alone. I'm interested in what the pricing will be as I'm sure it will be per device you want to "manage".

It's definately needed as the current Exchange 2003 SP2 mobility is very lacking in the security / reporting aspect compared to what the BES can do.

Being the Mobility admin I don't see the value in having yet another MS product to admin and license. If they provided this as part of Exchange it would be a huge win for MS but it's going to depend on the price. Right now it's hard to beat RIM's TCO / RIO.

Don't know if anyone else caught this but it's only currently supporting 3 of the new WM6 devices.
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... and Microsoft has partnered with someone so at the Exchange Connections conference in Vegas next month they'll supply any attendee a Treo with WM6 for the duration of the conference. Guess I should probably go to a few of the mobility sessions.
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Old 10-26-2007, 05:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Don't know if anyone else caught this but it's only currently supporting 3 of the new WM6 devices.
I thought that during the launch webcast it was said (during the Q&A section) that only "next version of Windows Mobile only" devices were supported? Maybe I fell asleep at the wrong moment?
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There are a few from AT&T that are being updated - Tilt, Treo 750, etc.
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*bump*

Now that pricing and more information is out, has anyone had a chance to look at it? The reported scalability of a single server is leaps and bounds beyond BlackBerry, but the licensing is rather pricey - $57 per user/device. Not sure if support is separate (likely is). Perhaps someone should tell MSFT that RIM makes very little money on support and licensing?
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there is a pdf comparison on BlackBerry between the BES and this solution.
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there is a pdf comparison on BlackBerry between the BES and this solution.
Do you have a link? I would like to see this.
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do a google search for BES vs direct push its on there somewhere. dont have the link on me and im tired lol
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ok ok i actually had the link bookmarked http://www.blackberry.com/select/get...eMessaging.pdf
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I've actually been testing and it's a bear to install, but very cool none the less.
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Our migration to System Center 2007 has been pushed back from all I've seen it has some very cool features around device updating / management. The cost is not cheap compared to Blackberry CAL/T-support.

Nothing is driving Windows Mobile anymore as the bulk of users who wanted it have all migrated back to Blackberry. The next thing is the Iphone craziness.

If your a huge Windows Mobile shop this definately is something you want though.
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We are certainly curious about this product. As a university, we try to accommodate technology as much as possible, so Blackberry devices, iPhones, and Windows Mobile devices are everywhere. Now that these products can tie in better with our infrastructure, we look for any product that will save us money and/or provide us with a greater impact.

To this point, we have utilized Blackberry devices as our "Secure" stamped device for those who handle sensitive data. Anyone else who requests access via a Treo or other method, we ask them to sign a waiver acknowledging the lack of device management and possible security issues since we cannot centrally force them to password protect, wipe, etc.

With MDM's release, there were encouraging signs that we could easily implement this into our infrastructure, but alas, their licensing killed us. We were disappointed when we saw that the MDM was not a free product for us and we would have to invest much more hardware in it than we do for our BES. As I recall, Microsoft's recommendations on the MDM were one server per "component", which equated into 4 servers. Then in smaller print, they say you could get away with two minimum.

We are not sure what we are going to do, but we will surely look at it. Hopefully it can handle iPhone management too, as we have a large demand for it.

Speaking of the iPhone, back to beta testing the new iPhone firmware (ugh). For anyone who cares, it's a POS! Pre-beta in my eyes, particularly the Exchange component. I'm surprised it was even released in it's current condition.
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ok ok i actually had the link bookmarked http://www.blackberry.com/select/get...eMessaging.pdf
Microsoft changed the ballgame with the Mobile Device Manager release. I wouldn't mind seeing an updated unbiased white paper comparison between the two enterprise-class server solutions (MDM vs BES).

EAS/MSDP had a lower TCO but less control and very little security. BES has a higher TCO but more control and security. It was easy to determine which was a better fit for your organization (not taking into account the devices, their battery life, usability, etc).

I'm also curious as to what the iPhone's EAS implementation in the 2.0 device software and what expanded control, if any, would MDM 2008 have over it.
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Pinjo, I've heard from a number of people that the iPhone beta software was buggy, however we're still pending a decision as to whether or not we'll participate. As tight-lipped as their confidentiality agreement is for the beta participants, they sure let ANYONE into the beta... I've talked with a few people from very, VERY small companies (20 people total, perhaps one IT person, and only a couple million in annual revenue) who are beta testing the software. Very surprising, to say the least.

As for MDM, I read yesterday that it could handle up to 2,500 users with a single server implementation (which would include the database and other components). That is substantially more than BES in a similar configuration (sans database, I would imagine MDM would be upwards of 5,000 users/devices). That is something that intrigues me.
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Well considering the Iphone is using ActiveSync (though it seems a very lite client) it should connect to SCMDM as the remote wipe policy works. Everything seems to be tied to the user email/DN/AD account so I'm crossing my fingers. If anyone that is using SCMDM can confirm that would be helpful.

The beta .. more like pre-beta. If anyone is thinking this is going to have the level of exchange intergration BB has, they will be let down. Yes it functions and does "push" email and the other noted features function. GAL lookup is nice. Remote erase works. The password policy works differently though and the requirement for Itunes is beyond annoying. Having had zero user footprint with BES 4.1 this is a major step back and needs to be corrected. OTA activation is where it's at.
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