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dyzs 06-22-2005 02:28 PM

Same BES, two locations?
 
Is it possible to use the same BES at two different locations and therefore on two different exchange servers on two different domains? We have a few extra licenses which we would like to use at another office with a different domain. Can this work? Any tips?

udontknowjack 06-22-2005 02:39 PM

If one is a child domain in a forest with trusts using the same besadmin ID, sure. We do it now.

dyzs 06-22-2005 02:46 PM

I'm not familiar with the terminology, could you please explain it in simpler terms? Basically we would be using the same besadmin ID (SRP) on two different domains (different names i.e. joe.com and jack.com) using two different exchange servers.

jibi 06-22-2005 02:47 PM

If the two domains are in the same AD Forest and you can grant permissions on either Exchange server, then you should have no issue. If they are not in the same forest, then no.

jibi 06-22-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyzs
I'm not familiar with the terminology, could you please explain it in simpler terms? Basically we would be using the same besadmin ID (SRP) on two different domains (different names i.e. joe.com and jack.com) using two different exchange servers.

What kind of domain are you running? NT 4.0, 2000 or 2003? and which version of Exchange - 5.5, 2000 or 2003?

dyzs 06-22-2005 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jibi
What kind of domain are you running? NT 4.0, 2000 or 2003? and which version of Exchange - 5.5, 2000 or 2003?

One is currently using server 2000 with exchange 2003 and the other is planned to be using small biz server 2003 with exchange 2003.

What do you mean by the AD forest? Active directory?

Why does there need to be trust/permissions on either exchange server?

We would like to install the BES at both locations to use the other CAL's, not have one location manage both domains. Can this work?

jibi 06-22-2005 03:00 PM

No. You can only use the SRP Identifier/Auth Key for one server. Basically your question (if that is your question) is asking if you can pirate their software and services (which is, mind you, illegal). This is against their licensing agreement, not to mention that your SRP would be disabled the second you put up an additional server using the same SRP.

dyzs 06-22-2005 03:04 PM

I'm not at all asking if I can pirate their software. I am wondering because if BES can run in multiple instances then why couldn't it be installed to run on a second server to use our other CAL's?

How can I make this work without buying a second BES since we have the extra CAL's? We are trying to avoid having the other office manage our BES users.

udontknowjack 06-22-2005 03:19 PM

Jibi I think, already said it, you can't. BES can only run on one server, period. Each BES has it's own SRP key, That is what you pay for when you get the BES software.

dyzs 06-22-2005 03:23 PM

Looks like the other office will be managing our BES users afterall, unless we access it with terminal services etc.

All that's left now is setting up permissions.

Thanks.

jibi 06-22-2005 03:45 PM

There are no trusts or permissions you could add between two different AD domains that are not under the same Forest and make it work with BES. The limitation of the reach of the BES is at the Forest level, provided permissions are setup correctly. The Forest is the highest parent level in the Active Directory - the top-level root. If these environments are not connected at all within the same AD structure, then you will have to purchase another license, plain and simple.

As for having more than one instance (with 3.6), I believe you still had to purchase an instance license, correct? With 4.0, instances are no longer used.

corey@12mile 06-23-2005 01:29 PM

jibi... it's actually about 5 seconds for an SRPID fight... we did it during training for proof of concept. Instances are actually used because of a MAPI limitation of 500 connections. And each instance requires a seperate SRPID which you can get from RIM at no additional charge.

If I was this person, I would call RIM and see if they would help out with an SRPID for the second office, and provided they point at the same SQL database as the existing BES server, they should be able to grab licenses.

cd.

dyzs 06-23-2005 03:19 PM

I was under the impression that you only needed Windows server, exchange, and BES to work. Is SQL server also a requirement?

jibi 06-23-2005 03:32 PM

SQL or MSDE database. It can be local on one of the BES servers or remote on its own.

BB_God 06-24-2005 10:50 PM

RIM just doesn't hand out new SRP\Auth Keys especially permanent ones.

corey@12mile 06-25-2005 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BB_God
RIM just doesn't hand out new SRP\Auth Keys especially permanent ones.

Apparently you don't know the people I know at RIM.

cd.

BB_God 06-25-2005 04:03 PM

Apparently!

jibi 06-25-2005 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corey@12mile
Apparently you don't know the people I know at RIM.

cd.

corey, when dealing with people on here, its probably best not to think of them in the light of your graces with RIM's business, so keep that in mind. There's a difference between strangers and college fraternity brothers... most admins on here would fall under the category of the first label not the latter.

:-)

MobileRC 06-25-2005 05:38 PM

You mean not everyone on here is best friends with everyone at RIM!?!?!?!?

dyzs 11-21-2005 12:41 AM

We have decided to revisit this again and could use some help in the setup. Office #1 has Exchange 2003 and BES 4 and is the domain controller for that domain. Office #2 in another city, is running Exchange 2003 as well. What needs to be done so that two users in Office #2 can be added to the BES in Office #1 and still have their email addresses stay the same using their current exchange inbox?

Also, what access (full access, logging on the BES, etc.) will Office #1 have to the mail for Office #2 as they are separate entities so some discretion is required?

Anything to keep in mind in this setup such as server strain, delay in wireless sync, etc? Other considerations?


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