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I've got a verizon Moto Q, and I want to switch over to a blackberry, but want to get input on how they work.

On my motoq with wireless sync, i can see my entire folder structure of my inbox, and I only receieve notifications of things that come into my main inbox, not sub folders... Will blackberry be the same, or can it be?

Can you limit sync hours?
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IOn my motoq with wireless sync, i can see my entire folder structure of my inbox, and I only receieve notifications of things that come into my main inbox, not sub folders... Will blackberry be the same, or can it be?
It's up to you. You can choose whatever folders you want to be redirected to the handheld.
If you only want the inbox messages to be delivered to the handheld, that's fine.

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Can you limit sync hours?
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It's up to you. You can choose whatever folders you want to be redirected to the handheld.
If you only want the inbox messages to be delivered to the handheld, that's fine.
Are there subfolders on the blackberry that duplicate the users inbox?
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Are there subfolders on the blackberry that duplicate the users inbox?
Sort of.
You can view your entire folder structure and file messages into those folders.
However, when new messages are delivered to your Blackberry, they will simply be put in a single list of messages within the Messages module on the device.

If differs from the way a WinMo device functions.
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So i will get an audible alert on EVERY email that I receive?

Let me explain my scenario.

I have a sub folder called Server Notifications... All server alerts go to this folder, sometimes one every five minutes or less... I usually review these 2 times a day and don't really want an audible alert of them ever time they come in, I just want to be alerted of other emails, but I do want to the capability of viewing them.
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So i will get an audible alert on EVERY email that I receive?

Let me explain my scenario.

I have a sub folder called Server Notifications... All server alerts go to this folder, sometimes one every five minutes or less... I usually review these 2 times a day and don't really want an audible alert of them ever time they come in, I just want to be alerted of other emails, but I do want to the capability of viewing them.
You should not have any problem at all doing what you want to do.
One way to set this up on your device is to create a filter that flags your Server Notification emails as a 'Level 1' message. You can then assign different alerts to those L1 messages so they behave differently than other email messages.
You can set them to not alert at all if you don't want. They'll still be delivered to your device for review.
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You should not have any problem at all doing what you want to do.
One way to set this up on your device is to create a filter that flags your Server Notification emails as a 'Level 1' message. You can then assign different alerts to those L1 messages so they behave differently than other email messages.
You can set them to not alert at all if you don't want. They'll still be delivered to your device for review.
Thats what i like to hear! Is that done via the device or phone? I will be running blackberry pro software for exchange.

Where can I learn more about this stuff?
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Thats what i like to hear! Is that done via the device or phone? I will be running blackberry pro software for exchange.

Where can I learn more about this stuff?
You can set everything up from the device itself.
Your best bet for learning these functions is reading the product documentation at BlackBerry and also skimming through the FAQ at Main Page - BlackBerryFAQ
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It seems like you will need some support on how to set up your blackberry to do this, I advise going with a hosted exchange BlackBerry Enterprise service. Right now I'm ussing the service from EmailActivation.com and I think it's great they help me with any questions or configurations.
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I advise going with a hosted exchange BlackBerry Enterprise service.
This makes little sense.
This user already has their own Exchange server and will be using BPS.
Why would they need to use a hosted Exchange service?
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Wireless sync..are you referring to Windows Mobile Activesync? IMO, and I have both a Blackberry and a WinMo phone.. Activesync's push is truely superior. There are no permission issues ever, no real calendar/task sync issues, it works how it's supposed to and best of all there's no 3rd party server..

You can sync subfolders and it mirrors in real time, plus, WinMo currently offers HTML email out of the box, whereas Blackberry's dont.

However with that being said, the Blackberry OS is far far better programmed/tuned.. It never freezes, stalls, lags, or does any of the other crap that WinMo does.. They, IMO are superior hardware, and the OS is perfect for it.
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ActiveSync is ok if you don't have to worry about reporting, security policy management, having secure VPN connection via MDS.

We offer both and the numbers tell the preference:

Blackberry - 2016 devices and growing
WM - 675 and decreasing

WM with ActiveSync is just too flaky and we've been back and forth with Microsoft on how to improve performance. Typical MS responses:

Upgrade to Exchange 2007 - major upgrade to us with a budget likely 1 million+ so it's a ways off

Get a newer WM (6.0, 6.1) device for improvements

Now I can't be updating mobile hardware every year, at least with Blackberry you get a good 2 years per device with OS updates etc.

BES & Blackberry is just easier to manage and provides the tools to do so without extra expense on top of "free" ActiveSync connectivity.
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Yes, from a security standpoint, AS is far less secure and you can't lock it down as you can a Blackberry.. you can still sync a WinMo device with SSL checked as long as you have SSL enabled on the server..

but.. with that being said, you dont have any variables that need to be looked at with a WM/AS device.. It syncs via OWA.. as long as you have the "Mobile Web Access" flag checked it should all be good..

I just hate all the little permission issues, sendas/receiveas, etc.. cdo/mapi dll issues, srp issues/disconnects, all that happen on a BES..
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I just hate all the little permission issues, sendas/receiveas, etc.. cdo/mapi dll issues, srp issues/disconnects, all that happen on a BES..
If you have any of the above, then you just don't have your BES set up properly.
BES is pretty much hands-off (other than adding/removing users) after it's properly configured.
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Setting up OMA on Exch 2003 sp2 with ISA2004 you have to jump through some hoops to get it to work with SSL. It did not work out of the box.

But once done is hands off.
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If you have any of the above, then you just don't have your BES set up properly.
BES is pretty much hands-off (other than adding/removing users) after it's properly configured.
You can use that analogy against anything.. I have a dent in my car.. my car's not properly configured.. =P


but any event..we DID have some random issues lately, but were resolved..
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Wireless sync..are you referring to Windows Mobile Activesync? IMO, and I have both a Blackberry and a WinMo phone.. Activesync's push is truely superior. There are no permission issues ever, no real calendar/task sync issues, it works how it's supposed to and best of all there's no 3rd party server..

You can sync subfolders and it mirrors in real time, plus, WinMo currently offers HTML email out of the box, whereas Blackberry's dont.

However with that being said, the Blackberry OS is far far better programmed/tuned.. It never freezes, stalls, lags, or does any of the other crap that WinMo does.. They, IMO are superior hardware, and the OS is perfect for it.
wireless sync is verizon's push sync software. we have exchange 2000 and doesn't offer active sync. windows mobile 5 is far to slow/buggy for us as we currently use it.
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