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Old 06-27-2008, 01:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking to consolidate with out going virtual.
Would like to install BES onto webserver after move from MSDE to SQL.
Current BES is only using 900 meg commit and using 5% of the CPU.

Currently have a decent webserver running the following

SSL access to IIS by our CRM group. 50k hits day
SSL access to our parts system. 20k hits day
Second Drive for Exchange backup and old user account data.
FTP that runs as its own service with no IIS access. 1-2 gig per month

See any reason BES will not work if it uses remote SQL 2005 DB?

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dual proc 3.2hhz xeon 3 gig ram.
73 gig raid 1, 600 gig raid 5
CPU spikes at 10% max
free ram 2.5 gig, commit 600 meg

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270 gig raid 10 8 spindles
5 data bases less than 100 meg each
free ram 2.5 gig, commit 1.4 gig
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What and where is your BES running on now.
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Will it work, Yes.

Would I ever do this, no.

Consolidating application servers to the same server instance is only asking for trouble.
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BES now is on dedicated 2.8 p4 server with 1 gig ram 2k OS and a 120 gig sata drive.
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BES now is on dedicated 2.8 p4 server with 1 gig ram 2k OS and a 120 gig sata drive.
Can you upgrade the box to 2k3 and setup a redundant drive array?
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BES now is on dedicated 2.8 p4 server with 1 gig ram 2k OS and a 120 gig sata drive.
A single SATA drive, or a RAID-1 container?
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Single sata, I do have a webserver 2003 OS from old FTP server and have a raid controller and drives that could be swapped in.

But I was looking to remove this server and make the room a lil cooler.
New A/C is lot of money to upgrade.
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At a very minimum, you should be running RAID-1 on a production server.
Whatever you can do to make that happen... do it.
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I know, but when we bought it it was for 2 people and not worth it in the eyes of management. Different story now.
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I know, but when we bought it it was for 2 people and not worth it in the eyes of management. Different story now.
So now you have a different business requirement . bring in the raid!
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Wanted to xfer BES to the webserver that has raid.
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Not sure if you made a decision or not but. If you don't have a large budget for this I would at the very least ghost the current drive. Buy an inexpensive or used raid card that support raid 1 with hot spare. Also if you do go this route make sure you buy all brand new drives. Do not use the current drive with this setup use the image from the old drive.
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Since you are on Windows Server 2003 already:

1. add another drive of similar or larger capacity
2. Open Disk Management
3. Set it up as RAID-1 mirroring your C: drive

Sure the O/S and CPU are handling the heavy lifting, but with only 45 users your BES will NEVER see an impact and your CPU utilization won't be more than it is now. In the case of a Primary Hard Disk failure you can boot form the mirror with some adjustments. Definately better and faster than loading a backup.

Killing one server to lower heat load is a start, but it will take a lot more than that to notice a significant difference.

As for reasons migrating to another production server is a bad idea:

1. DLL files typically don't play nice with one another with some applications
2. Server Apps that contain web pages (such as the BES) can sometimes ASSUME they are the only app on the server and place them in default locations where other pages are located or accessed causing server app or web page unavailability.

Multiple Servers doing their own job or virtualization solve this problem, but sometimes have their own contingencies. Some server applications are better left alone. If you are "the" server admin with no other IT support of "equal or more knowledge", leave it alone as the lesson/experience you will learn from placing your BES onto another production server or virtual server will come at a greater expense than any will ever want.

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