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Old 03-18-2009, 01:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Current situation: BES 4.1.2 running on microsoft Server 2000 platform in a virtual environment.

I need to upgrade to server 2003. The BES will likely stay 4.1.2 bundle 47, as it runs just fine. I am wondering about the procedures to do this. Is this what is reffered to as a knife edge cutover? i saw that term flung around alot in the threads i found doing a search. Anybody got any advice on the correct and easiest way to do this?

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I have done it and documented it a bit on P 2k but V 2003 should be about same.

Bored, so might as well do what I recomend so often, The Knife Edge Cutover
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thanks, sometimes fancy names for things confuse me and I just wasn't sure if what i wanted to do fell into that "knife-edge cutover" umbrella.
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at least you came to the right place
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I may have more down the road but my first question is...

Under task 1 from the KB article from RIM it states to record the name of the BES that is being moved. So i open BBmanager like it says and in the explorer view on the left under servers it lists two. which one am i looking to write down?

sorry for my ignorance as i have inherited this job as BES admin for my company. i am happy to have it i just don't know enough about it all yet.
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It is the BLUE one. That is the BES Service name.

with out the MDS CS on the end of it.
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i guess then one more question, why can't I just turn off all the BB services, insert the Server 2003 disk in the cd drive and upgrade the machine, then turn back on all the services?
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i guess then one more question, why can't I just turn off all the BB services, insert the Server 2003 disk in the cd drive and upgrade the machine, then turn back on all the services?
lol, how much free time have you got to mop up the blood?

The BES can be a delicate beast and if you don't treat it right, it will make sure you never go home and definitely never sleep. It's one of those occasions where you can go for it and if you have a good db backup (always remember the knottrope mantra!), the most you have to do is rebuild the BES. As knotty says though, knife edge is relatively easy (super easy if using remote DB like him!) so why not knife edge to a temp machine, upgrade the OS then go back. OK so it's not as quick as your way but a lot quicker to recover from if something goes wrong during the work.
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Ok then. thanks for the advice. i do know the DB is on another server here so that should eliminate some of the headache if i understand you both.
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based on the above i think this what i will do, please let me know if this seems ok or unreasonable.

Build new VM running 2003.
knife edge the BES from old server to the new one.
delete the old VM after a week of uptime on new VM
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Ok then. thanks for the advice. i do know the DB is on another server here so that should eliminate some of the headache if i understand you both.
For sure. Follow knotty's knatty guide (Pat. Pend.) and always adhere to the knotty Mantra (TM) and you will be fine. Knife edge to a remote server is so easy, I am very jealous.
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based on the above i think this what i will do, please let me know if this seems ok or unreasonable.

Build new VM running 2003.
knife edge the BES from old server to the new one.
delete the old VM after a week of uptime on new VM
That's fine but personally I would be upgrading the BES also. I know you said same version in the OP but now is the time to upgrade IMHO. Although you should upgrade the BES first, wait a week then knife edge to the same BES level on new server.

Also remember that you can't have the servcies running on both BESs at the same time so service switchover is important.
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Always make a server from scratch, never upgrade it. it takes almost the same time (less if you have weird bugs) and a new OS is always better then a patched to match one.
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