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Old 08-18-2006, 11:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone here been successful configuring a BES to run in a Virtual Machine environment? VMWare is saving us a ton of money on new servers.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can be done. I did my BES 4.0 -> 4.1 upgrade testing using VMware. I would not run my production server in it though.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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works, but not supported by RIM
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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And when we asked RIM about supporting BES on VMWare, they told us that officially it wasn't, but, well, that's what they (RIM) were using...

We have had no issue with BES on VMWare.
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We run VMWare here as well and when we asked they stated it's on the "roadmap" for the future.
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We've been using it for one of our BES servers (4.0) for over a year. Works great.
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No issues whatsoever. VMWARE is used everywhere running a lot more more intensive apps then BES with no issues. If you call for support don't even mention its a vm, as it has no effect on the software. Heck microsoft will even support linux on the virtual server, so that shows you that vm's are not an issue at all.
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one of the UK's mobile operators uses VMware for all of their Blackberry tech support trial systems. Allows them to run multiple bb instances, and different version levels on the same box..

not yet supported but watch this space..
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Make sure you set up your network connections correctly and Give it lots of Hardware. These are the two main reasons it is not supported.
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We run a second BES on Windows Enterprise x64 server R2 with Windows 2005 Virtual Server. Works great.
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No issues with BES on VMWare for me. It will be officially supported in BES 4.1 SP2. RIM uses it like crazy and has for quite a while in Waterloo. I don't know why one poster said not to use it for production. It works great. Like what was said, if you ever call for support, just don't tell them it is VM.
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While attending a Blackberry web seminar, I asked the question:

Does Blackberry recommend a preferred Virtual environment?

The answer:

We should be supporting VMWare ESX server as of BES 4.1.2, scheduled for the fall timeframe.

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Just so I understand.... are you saying if you have 1 server it is better to Install exchange on it and then install vmware on that machine and run BES using VM?
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Originally Posted by Jobsdone
While attending a Blackberry web seminar, I asked the question:

Does Blackberry recommend a preferred Virtual environment?

The answer:

We should be supporting VMWare ESX server as of BES 4.1.2, scheduled for the fall timeframe.

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Of course they want to use ESX server and spend a lot more money.

I would suggest for testing purposes to use VMWare Server 1.0.1 as it's 100% free, and the nicest thing is you can install it on your 64bit machine and create x64 sessions with it with either one or two processors. I can't complain as it rocks on my Dual Core which is going to be a Core 2 Duo soon.

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We are running 3 BES4 machines on ESX server and have been for well over a year without any issues
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We currently run our production BES server in VMWare on an ESX server and have had no issue. Just make sure you have the RAM for it.

BTW, we have about 30 users on the server right now.
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I use vmware as my failover for my BES server.
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I have 1000 users on BES 4.0. Can anyone give me a SWAG on how the VM should be configured, memory, processor etc.

Also, we donít control the VMWare farm and there is concern that other applications running on the same hardware as BES could impact performance. Please excuse my ignorance on the product but all I have to go by is my experience with Exchange servers sharing space on our SAN with other applications like SQL and Oracle. Performance takes a hit and there is nothing visibly wrong on Exchange.

Any information will be helpful.
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Each server gets allocated their pool of resources as configured by the VMWare admin. I would ask your VW admin to get you a list of resources allocated as well as a summary of how the shares are configured (not to be confused with Windows/Samba shares) if they are running Virtual Center. If another virtual server has higher priority shares, then the other servers will give up some memory resources, etc. to allow the higher priority server to process.

I'm a little rusty on this, but that's the general idea. If you have further questions, I would refer you to the VMWare support forums, the guys there are VERY knowledgable.

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I have 1000 users on BES 4.0. Can anyone give me a SWAG on how the VM should be configured, memory, processor etc.

Also, we donít control the VMWare farm and there is concern that other applications running on the same hardware as BES could impact performance. Please excuse my ignorance on the product but all I have to go by is my experience with Exchange servers sharing space on our SAN with other applications like SQL and Oracle. Performance takes a hit and there is nothing visibly wrong on Exchange.

Any information will be helpful.
I'd use a real server. Virtualization is a beutifull thing but there is a point of diminishing returns. Disk aside, the only expensive part of a server is memory and OS. VM still requires a license of the OS on each virtual machine. And at a certain point it's cheaper to get 2 servers with less memory than 1 with a lot more.
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