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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-25-2008, 06:13 PM
Does anyone know what 'file free' size should be in using this OS to it's best speed? I'm just under 15000000 bytes and it seems to move pretty slow. Going to do hard reset to see if that works - if not will have to delete some stuff.
'I am stuck on Blackberry and my Blackberry's stuck on me'
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05-25-2008, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VickyPaz
Does anyone know what 'file free' size should be in using this OS to it's best speed? I'm just under 15000000 bytes and it seems to move pretty slow. Going to do hard reset to see if that works - if not will have to delete some stuff.
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If UMA is important to you, I wouldn't install .37, it wont establish a UMA connection.
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-25-2008, 07:29 PM
I got to be honest with you, I really don't know what UMA is. I mean I have heard of it mentioned here but have never seen the option on my BB. The only option I have ever used was EDGE. I hardly ever use WIFI... but that's just me.
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05-25-2008, 08:02 PM
If you don't use WiFi then you won't get UMA. UMA allows you to make phone calls, send sms and get email, etc. over the wifi connection. It's great if you are in an area of spotty cell coverage but can access a wifi connection.
For your memory issues, please see my "optimize your BB" post in my signature.
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05-25-2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry
Source? What is a market defined as? Cell tower? State? US region?
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Source= Me
I think that in some markets some TMO is gearing up for 4.5 faster than others, this leads to this sporadic UMA. This is just a hunch.
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05-25-2008, 07:46 PM
We had two people in New Jersey...one with UMA and one without. I don't think that's it. It's just an OS issue and we'll have to wait for it to be resolved.
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-25-2008, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by John Clark
If you don't use WiFi then you won't get UMA. UMA allows you to make phone calls, send sms and get email, etc. over the wifi connection. It's great if you are in an area of spotty cell coverage but can access a wifi connection.
For your memory issues, please see my "optimize your BB" post in my signature.
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Thanks John. I should play around with WIFI more but just haven't had the need. I'll check out your post on how to optimize my BB. Cool :0)
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Knows Where the Search Button Is
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05-25-2008, 08:17 PM
seems to be certain areas only. :/
i'm dropping back to .18 later tonight or tomorrow since uma doesn't work.
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Retired BlackBerryForums.com Moderator
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05-25-2008, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GT5L
Source= Me
I think that in some markets some TMO is gearing up for 4.5 faster than others, this leads to this sporadic UMA. This is just a hunch.
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OK - good enough. Except if I put 4.5.0.18 on it, UMA works fine. Is T-Mobile smart enough to determine that I am running 4.5.0.37 and block that, but not 4.5.0.18?
I believe it is bad code or a bad certificate.
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Thumbs Must Hurt
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05-25-2008, 09:28 PM
I just upgraded to .37 and in the wifi diagnostic i also get error code W00.6.
using .18 had no issues w this.
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-25-2008, 09:42 PM
No go with UMA with this OS for me. Had it for 5 minutes...lol.
T-Mobile Blackberry Curve 8320(Titanium) 4.5.0.Whatever is cool right now. BIS
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05-25-2008, 10:09 PM
UMA just appeared on my phone, as well. I did all the recommended procedures and hadn't been able to get it to work. I was away from phone for about an hour, just sat down, and there it is, UMA.
so as I'm typing this I look down at screen, and the darn thing says EDGE again. did a wi-fi diagnostics and it shows all green checks for UMA. . now it's back to UMA.. .. now EDGE.. literaly I am typing this close to real time. it's on EDGE (no pun intended) at the moment. working or not, the UMA functio is at best very unstable in .37
However, all of my 3rd party apps are working without a problem : Viigo/Tango WES preview, Facebook, yahoo Aim and win. Live messengers, all work well. I am running this with the free, but very awesome precision Zen them from eveek.com. Still waiting to test the wirless signal out in the open in some areas that .18 just stunk on. anyone else see any improvements here yet?
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BBF Moderator
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05-25-2008, 10:32 PM
What happens if you uncheck the mobile network in Manage Connections? Will the UMA stay then?
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05-26-2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by John Clark
What happens if you uncheck the mobile network in Manage Connections? Will the UMA stay then?
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John, VERY interesting. YES, the second I unchecked mobile network, UMA appeared. It of course seems much faster on the web as well. Now what?
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05-26-2008, 12:17 PM
I feel like giving up on .37 already :(
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05-26-2008, 12:18 PM
I have given up on it.
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05-26-2008, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry
I have given up on it.
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Are you back to .18 then?
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05-26-2008, 12:26 PM
In about 20 minutes, yes...
"Wait for device initialization"
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05-26-2008, 12:30 PM
I'm going to try out .37 now  Currently downloading, 73%
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05-26-2008, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BIOHazard87
I'm going to try out .37 now  Currently downloading, 73%
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lol goodluck
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05-26-2008, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wassy
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Originally Posted by John Clark
What happens if you uncheck the mobile network in Manage Connections? Will the UMA stay then?
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John, VERY interesting. YES, the second I unchecked mobile network, UMA appeared. It of course seems much faster on the web as well. Now what?
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I've had this same issue with other versions. Not sure why it does that.
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-26-2008, 01:40 PM
First try, no UMA. Then I realized that I had not deleted the vendor.xml, did that, re-loaded it, and got UMA instantly.
Wife- 8320
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05-26-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GLOCKshooter
First try, no UMA. Then I realized that I had not deleted the vendor.xml, did that, re-loaded it, and got UMA instantly.
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YOu people are making me jealous 
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05-26-2008, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flash24
lol goodluck
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yup, running it now. No UMA as expected, but other than that its been running decent so far  Removed extra themes, Voice Dialing, etc. Video Camera runs nicely, Youtube is running good. AIM seems to not want to work though. It says "Service not enabled for this handheld" Anyone have any idea how to fix this or is it just a bug....
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05-26-2008, 05:02 PM
@GLOCKshooter: deleting vendor.xml prior to installing 4.5.0.37 had no affect here, one way or the other. still no uma.
this problem seems to affect most people (as in almost everyone) and might only work in certain areas.
so far i've only heard of 2 or 3 people that got uma working.
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Thumbs Must Hurt
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05-26-2008, 09:08 PM
I'm gonna weigh in here as I've been quiet/low key thus far. It almost appears that the uma part of the client OS is not that high a priority, given that there are few carriers that actually utilize the protocol.
My thinking is that the things that have been addressed in this version (0.37) are universally a higher priority than UMA, while at the same time there may be fixes that have been applied in this version that require updates on the host (TMO Servers).
That is more logically the answer, with the exceptional 1 or two H@H subscribers that are having success, and also heightens my anticipation of the production release in the very near future as in 3rd Q 2008!
even a wise man can learn from a fool... thanks for showing up!
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Google Maps Problem -
05-26-2008, 09:32 PM
I've tried other betas and each time I've had a problem with Google maps getting hung up on the Application Permissions dialog box. "The application Google Maps is attempting to access radio information that may identify your location." I click on accept and it just hangs there. Eventually I get "Uncaught exception: Application GoogleMaps (154) is not responding; process terminated."
GoogleMaps 2.10, BB 8320 TMO
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05-26-2008, 10:09 PM
@Calvin413: for most t-mobile users, uma is a deal breaker, ifo.
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05-26-2008, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sgt-d
@Calvin413: for most t-mobile users, uma is a deal breaker, ifo.
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While I'm not really sure what this really says, what I am trying to say is that 0.37 is a beta without support or guarantees/warranty. I think otherwise it works just fine, but needs the server piece to make uma work, while we have no such leverage against Tmo or Rim until it's production (which i feel is imminent).   
even a wise man can learn from a fool... thanks for showing up!
Last edited by Calvin413 : 05-26-2008 at 10:50 PM.
Reason: clarification
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Thumbs Must Hurt
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05-26-2008, 10:52 PM
and for the record I am a UMA H@H subscriber in an area with poor coverage, so for me uma is a must!!
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05-26-2008, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rwgAU
I've tried other betas and each time I've had a problem with Google maps getting hung up on the Application Permissions dialog box. "The application Google Maps is attempting to access radio information that may identify your location." I click on accept and it just hangs there. Eventually I get "Uncaught exception: Application GoogleMaps (154) is not responding; process terminated."
GoogleMaps 2.10, BB 8320 TMO
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This is an issue with the combiniation of OS 4.5 and BES. It doesn't happen to everyone--just us lucky ones! 
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Thumbs Must Hurt
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05-27-2008, 12:31 PM
My emails look the same as before, does the HTML format work in this version?
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-27-2008, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JEGO82
My emails look the same as before, does the HTML format work in this version?
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Yes, HTML still works with 4.5.0.37
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05-27-2008, 04:49 PM
HTML email works great on BES 4.1 SP5 with the correct modifications to the configuration database.
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05-27-2008, 04:49 PM
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Yes, HTML still works with 4.5.0.37
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what HTML? are you talking 3rd party like Empower?
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05-27-2008, 05:36 PM
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My emails look the same as before, does the HTML format work in this version?
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HTML email has not been officially released yet. It requires OS 4.5 AND an upgrade to BES and BIS. You need both.
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-28-2008, 06:42 AM
Any peeps in the HH beta program report the UMA problem with 4.5.0.37?
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Talking BlackBerry Encyclopedia
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05-28-2008, 08:38 AM
I take it that the UMA problem affects all data usage, not just UMA voice calls, is that correct?
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05-28-2008, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ubizmo
I take it that the UMA problem affects all data usage, not just UMA voice calls, is that correct?
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Yes - the handset is unable to register over UMA - although it constantly retries.
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05-28-2008, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ubizmo
I take it that the UMA problem affects all data usage, not just UMA voice calls, is that correct?
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No. The wifi logo still lights up in bold meaning that data can come and go via wifi, just no UMA. That means no phone/sms/mms over wifi.
Last edited by John Clark : 05-28-2008 at 10:20 AM.
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