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SEB152030 · **pearl browser without BES -** 03-28-2007, 05:56 AM

HI
I'have a pearl without bes on my provider but data plan.

I put the correct adress on tcp and I can acces to internet but only with opera.

Because no service book the BB Browser do not appear .... and i can't download because it need the bb browser.

(because I want to install "Yahoo Go")

do you have an idea to unlock BB Browser ?

thanks
jseb

MyPearl · 03-29-2007, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEB152030

HI
I'have a pearl without bes on my provider but data plan.

I put the correct adress on tcp and I can acces to internet but only with opera.

Because no service book the BB Browser do not appear .... and i can't download because it need the bb browser.

(because I want to install "Yahoo Go")

do you have an idea to unlock BB Browser ?

thanks
jseb

I am in the same situation. I found a way to invoke the BB browser but it failes to connect. as far as i know, it needs the service book.

your best bet is to install using the desktop program. Not sure what Yahoo Go is but i was able to install Gmail, Mail by Google, Opera, JiveTalk and GMAPS this way and they work greay.

Can not do OTA unfortunately.

SEB152030 · 03-29-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyPearl

I am in the same situation. I found a way to invoke the BB browser but it failes to connect. as far as i know, it needs the service book.

your best bet is to install using the desktop program. Not sure what Yahoo Go is but i was able to install Gmail, Mail by Google, Opera, JiveTalk and GMAPS this way and they work greay.

Can not do OTA unfortunately.

thanks a lot, unfortunatly the install of Yahoo go need to use BB Browser...

only way I fond is to change sim card to install it. (a sim with blackberry activate)

markretallack · **Done it!!! -** 04-04-2007, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markretallack

Hi all. I think this thread has confused me a bit so I though I would post some questions about what I am seeing in the hope that I/others can get a clear view of that it is about. I have done lots of searching and cannot find any answers that explain why.

I have a Blackberry 7290 on Orange UK, on a pay-as-you-go system (yes, i know....).

It used to be with O2 UK on contract with the full Blackberry data plan etc... And I used the procedure detailed at the start of the thread to setup the APN to allow MidpSSH to work.

Now after moving to Orange UK on pay-as-you-go, I want to know what is and is not possible.

The pay-as-you-go scheme does allow full GPRS connection, with most ports open. I have been able to use my blackberry as a modem connected to my windows PC to check my email etc.. So therefor what does a Data plan provide? On O2, I just though that it meant the back-end server that pushed email to the phone. Is it more than this? Do I need a service book? I read that doing this procedure would mean that I dont need a service book (ippp).

If my laptop can use the Blackberry to connect to the internet, why cannot the Blackberry connect its-self directly if i specify the APN?

Thanks in advance

Mark.

Hi all,

Just a quick follow up. I have it all fixed now.

This is want I have:

A blackberry 7290, originally on O2-UK under contract and Full Blackberry access. Now on Orange-UK on Pay-as-you-go.

After reading a thread on opera;s forum. my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=155571

I have phoned orange and now have safeguard disabled, for some reason this was stopping Opera and lots of other apps from accessing the net.

So now I am on a pay-as-you-go plan, and able to access the internet using Opera and use MidpSSH + google maps.

This is all good.

Have fun...

greg2m · 04-20-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by X_fury

well i am with bell mobility and have the 7250 model and im+ wont work properly i click trial and it bring me to the service list i have the wap info in and when i click connect after putting in im info it tries for about a min they i get error code 502, null, if i try to do the auto confie it errors out too.

It was probably already answered, but nonetheless... You need to at least browse on your wap browser at least once.

icana · **Apn for Netherlands Antilles -** 05-02-2007, 08:18 PM

I live in the Netherlands Antilles (curacao) and I've got a blackberry from UTS. Does anyone know the APN info for UTS in Netherlands Antilles

saher · **Help -** 05-05-2007, 08:30 PM

Hello, I have a blackberry pearl from the US but im now residing in UK. I currently have orange pay as you go.. and I can not get data services in order to use my browser, basically i do not have GPRS (WAP). Is there anything that i can dooo?

John Clark · 10:46 PM

Welcome to the forums,
You can try to install Opera and access via wap. However, you still have to have some kind of regular gprs cell phone data plan. That has been known to work for some (not all.) Aside from that, without a Blackberry data plan you won't get data on your BB.

networkingguy347 · 05-07-2007, 11:41 AM

Why not just get this information from the provider of broadband internet access?

Joe Jensen
Webmaster
broadband internet accessA quick description on broadband internet access options

dparvin · 07:06 AM

Hi

I am on an unlimited plan with UK o2 but I cant get any of the IMs to work, any ideas?

dparvin · **OS:** 4.5.0.124

I can use Yahoo fine, but I cant add non-yahoo accounts to my friends lists

dparvin · **OS:** 4.5.0.124

Sorted thanks to Jivebee!

f810 · 05-18-2007, 08:28 AM

Hi

I just got my 8800 and wanna use TCP instead of BIS. after configured the TCP, is it still displaying "edge" instead of "EDGE" ?

knowme · **in search of a simple answer :) -** 06-18-2007, 07:04 AM

hi all,

I have been following a lot of threads lately but couldn't seem to figure out a simple question. That is:

Is it possible to run the internet on Blackberry Browser with just TCP setting and no blackberry activated SIM?

I want to use certain softwares that installs OTA (Over The Air) and always points to the Blackberry Browser, even the attachments.

Sorry if this has already been answered but please help me here.

Cheers,
Noman

pvansh · 06-21-2007, 09:04 AM

Hi, I'm new to the forums and I recently picked up a BB 8100 Pearl. I'm on Rogers in Canada. I followed the instructions in this thread but I still can't seem to get Opera to work.

I went into Options > Advanced > TCP, and set
APN: internet.com
user: wapuser1
pass: wap

Also I have Options > Network, set as
Data Services: ON

No matter how many times I try, Opera tries to access the internet running its tests and always comes back saying it failed to get a connection. Is there anything else I need to do to get this working?

Any help would be appreciated!

toxicrocker · **7750 web browser mess -** 07-01-2007, 06:55 AM

Hi folks,

So I just got this used 7750 and, for some reason, it has no browser. I've done everything. I've send service books. I've updated to 4.0. I've called tech support. Done wipes and resets. I've registered with BES. Read this thread back to front. Everything everything everything.

So I'm wondering what it is that I need to do. I'm thinking of doing an uninstall of the OS but don't know how to do it. Any tips? Anything would be greatly appreciated, as I'd like to be able to browse the web. Is it possible that it's blocked for good?

Best,
RJ

HChristianS · 07-02-2007, 03:40 PM

Ok So If I just buy a Sprint Data plan for $15 And put Opera Mini On my BB VIA computer, will it work?

Client App Support · 07-16-2007, 11:00 PM

What about the newest model 8830. Two of my users are not able to access .gif images on our secure website.

nebcat · 07-18-2007, 07:30 PM

Wow! I just picked up a 7290 from Craigs List, slapped in my Cingular GO-Phone SIM card, and updated the software. I stumbled across this thread via Google, because I had a Data Connection Refused error. Did what Mark suggested, and, by using Opera Mini, I could go online and check my Yahoo Email (For a small price, of course.) But, it beats committing towards a BES. Works for me...

aurso · 07-24-2007, 10:59 AM

I live in Honduras, using a provider called Tigo. I don't have access to a BES, and I configured my BB Pearl to use APN (internet.tigo.hn, no user, no pwd) to access the Internet using Opera Mini, and this works fine. However, I can't get the Browser, or IM to work. The Browser reports the following problem, which I thought it was due to the lack of data plan: "Your device does not currently have any Browser Configuration Service Book Entries. Please contact your service provider to enable the Browser on your device." Without the Browser I can't install software OTA. Is there a workaround to this? Thanks.

nachobb · **venezuela -** 07-24-2007, 06:31 PM

Hi folks

I'm from Venezuela and i'm trying to set up a bb 7105t internet connection..
my carrier is Digitel Tim and its apn is " gprsweb.digitel.ve " without username and password.
I dont know why, i can get connected.. i use miniopera and it says that ive a problem with my network or something like that..
What should i do?
:(

help me please

John Clark · **OS:** 4.6.1.250

Using TCP for data does not work in all cases. There is no workaround for not having a BB data plan. You can't install programs or get push email without a Blackberry data plan.

silicontrip · **GPRS vs gprs? -** 07-30-2007, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Clark

Using TCP for data does not work in all cases. There is no workaround for not having a BB data plan. You can't install programs or get push email without a Blackberry data plan.

Can some one explain to me what the difference is between GPRS and gprs?

I have my Pearl configured using an internet APN. I can use many of the 3rd party applications.

However, as you've guessed, I have no service books, and cannot use the built in web browser.

What is a Blackberry data service?
How is it different to regular data services?
Is it different to having an MDS connection via a BES?
Why do some applications support direct TCP and others do not?
Why doesn't my carrier support blackberry??? (ok no answer required. I'm venting)

You can see how frustrating it is for me to have purchased this device and being unable to use most of the features.

I seem to have the worst of both worlds, I can't use regular java midlets, as I could on a normal phone because I have a blackberry, and I can't use blackberry apps, because I am unable to get a blackberry data service.

John Clark · 02:31 PM

GPRS means the device is connected to RIM's servers for data. gprs means you only have a connection to the carrier's internet. The only way to get service books is to have a BB data plan that connects to RIM's servers for the Service Books.

Without a BB data plan you will never get any service books and won't be able to use the built in browser.

Check out Main Page - BlackBerryFAQ for answers to some of these and other commonly asked questions.

Ernekegl · **At&t wireless Blackberry 6280 -** 07-30-2007, 09:17 PM

I have one of the old At&t wireless Blackberry 6280. I bought it off of ebay for $20.00 I unlocked it so I can make and receive calls and I can send and receive SMS. Can anyone tell me how to unlock the data part of this 6280 so I can get Wap internet. I use prepaid service and they don't have Wap on blackberry.

silicontrip · 07-30-2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Clark

GPRS means the device is connected to RIM's servers for data. gprs means you only have a connection to the carrier's internet. The only way to get service books is to have a BB data plan that connects to RIM's servers for the Service Books.

So a really dumb question then. Why aren't RIM's servers accessable from the internet?

What sort of connection does the carrier have to RIM's servers?

Would you still buy a Blackberry if you are unable to get Blackberry data services?

I wasn't given an clear instructions from the sales person, who said I needed data services to use the Blackberry. He didn't make it clear that it was a different data service that I had with my previous phone.

Now I find out that my carrier doesn't provide blackberry data services, so I'm stuck with a device that I cannot use as a normal internet phone, because so much blackberry software relies on service books.

I cannot download regular java apps, because only OTA installation is supported in this manner, and I can't OTA without a service book.

Being an IP network administrator myself, I'd really like to know the specifics as to what a Blackberry data service is.

Dalze · **Noob question -** 08-22-2007, 03:55 AM

Hello, I was wondering, since in the first few lines of the post, it is stated that one does not need BES or MSD to be able to access the internet and use IM programs. Does this mean that, with Tmobile and my future 8320, I can access the internet without having to pay any extra fee for BB Unlimited? Do I need TmobileWeb at the least? Thank you.

LuisArturo · **APN Panama -** 08-28-2007, 04:12 PM

Does anybody know the APN from Movistar in Panama? can somebody help me.

panther30 · **WAP access -** 09-05-2007, 12:51 PM

Please tell me that How can I connect my Pearl with latest OS to WAPor Browser if I have no services of BES? Actually I have a unlocked pearl of TMo. Now I use it in Ukraine where We donot have support of BB.
It gives message:
"Your device does not have any browser configuration service book entries. Please contact your service provider to enable the browser on your device."

Please help.........

HuwSy · 09-05-2007, 02:43 PM

Is there any apps, like a primitive downloader, that can be used in conjunction with any of the non bes requiring browsers such as opera to download ota apps to the memory card for install.

luddwig · **So Who is right Mark Rejhon or John Clark? -** 09-16-2007, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rejhon

How to Configure Full Internet Access On BlackBerry

You are interested, if you want to do any of the following, especially if you are an individual prosumer rather than a big corporate user:

Run BES-required Internet software without BES!

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Clark

Welcome to the forums,
You can try to install Opera and access via wap. However, you still have to have some kind of regular gprs cell phone data plan. That has been known to work for some (not all.) Aside from that, without a Blackberry data plan you won't get data on your BB.

The last few days have been devoted to getting my BB 7105 browsing without using a BB data plan. I managed to get a free month of regular Rogers dataplan, but when it wouldn't work, tech support again and again told me that it would only work with the $25 BB plan with 1 mb (WOW I can browse 2 pages a day) and not the $10 non BB plan with 5 mb. WHAT A RIP OFF!!!.

Well Mark gave me hope, but so far no luck at all. I installed Opera, so at least I now have a browser I can run, but it craps out with 'Failed to connect to the Internet'. I have set the TCP settings using that listed on WebMessenger Inc. APN settings. Somewhere I read something about the host routing table - I've got nothing under that setting and I couldn't figure out from the post what I was supposed to do there. They had a different carrier anyway - so maybe it's irrelevant.
http://www.blackberryforums.com/imag...es/bb_icon.gif

ONE BIG QUESTION is - Do I set the data services on or off? (I've tried both)
With ON - I keep getting Data Connection Refused - but IS THAT JUST THE BB SERVICE?

I'm ready to give up - GIVE ME HOPE

John Clark · **OS:** 4.6.1.250

Have you tried this link for the APN settings?

Carrier specific APN/TCP settings - BlackBerryFAQ

You need to have data services "On."

You will always get the "data connection refused" message unless you have a BB data plan.

Set the APN settings as outlined in the link above. If it doesn't work after that and you've followed the instructions there, then there isn't any more you can do with the account you have. Rogers is very expensive for BB data, just ask anyone here on Rogers.

luddwig · **That Settles it for Me -** 09-17-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Clark

Have you tried this link for the APN settings?

Carrier specific APN/TCP settings - BlackBerryFAQ

You need to have data services "On."

You will always get the "data connection refused" message unless you have a BB data plan.

Set the APN settings as outlined in the link above. If it doesn't work after that and you've followed the instructions there, then there isn't any more you can do with the account you have. Rogers is very expensive for BB data, just ask anyone here on Rogers.

I have tried those APN settings along with those at WebMessenger Inc. APN settings.

I am guessing that my quest might have been possible when this thread originated in 2005.

Perhaps Rogers doesn't want to let any of the lucrative BB business slip in through the back door and therefore block any non-BB plan data transmission.

Well too bad for them. I was considering ordering one of their combo packs that included data - doesn't make sense now.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Lurka · 09-24-2007, 12:47 PM

I have a data plan (GPRS/EDGE), but I have not yet registered my BB on either my corporate BES or my carrier's BIS, so the only Service Book entries I have are [PROVISIONING], [BBIMConfig] and [YHO].

My colleagues, who have already registered they BBs, have the Browser and all the rest.

I thought that standard services, like browser or MMS, were independent from the registration on a BB server, as long as I have a data plan active, but it seems that's not always the case.

However, I am able to use the BB as a modem, so I think that anything relying on the APN only is ok. If I got the picture well, it's the built-in browser that requires a service book entry, but it can be replaced by 3rd party apps, like Opera. Pretty annoying, though.

Bye.

John Clark · **OS:** 4.6.1.250

So, you have a BB data plan but have no browser? Try this: Go to Options >Advanced Options >Host Routing Table. Click the menu key and select "Register Now." If that doesn't do it call your provider and have them send you the browser service books.

Lurka · 09-27-2007, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Clark

So, you have a BB data plan but have no browser? Try this: Go to Options >Advanced Options >Host Routing Table. Click the menu key and select "Register Now." If that doesn't do it call your provider and have them send you the browser service books.

Thank you, already tried from the FAQs to no avail. If I use the SIM card of a colleague who performed enterprise activation, I see the browser and other service book entries. This is probably BES-dependendent.

In the e-mail setup wizard I have only two choices: use a work email account with BES or skip email setup. Is that normal for every BB?

Thank you.

splackavella · 09-29-2007, 04:38 AM

Can you add MSN messenger on your BB7230 ?
When i go to options -> applications i see.. Blackberry 3.7

or cant i install it on my phone..

Can somebody help me?

Nachoarg · 10-01-2007, 01:48 PM

One question for this....

I understand, too much applications works put correct apn settings but if i put that,when a try used some of this app, the carrier bill like a data usage...

this is correct?

regards
Nacho

akc786 · **OS:** 5.0.0.348

Does anyone knows the APN for Mobilink network in Pakistan ??

akc786 · **OS:** 5.0.0.348

Any One From Pakistan Here?