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Old 01-29-2007, 07:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default T-Mobile Internet: SIM moved from Treo 600 to BlackBerry 7230

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Noob to forum and BlackBerry's here.

What I tried:
- Have a Treo 600 (dead keypad**).
- Option to T-Mobile plan includes Internet (+$19.95).
- Took the SIM out and put it in a BlackBerry 7230 (running OS 4.0.0.185 from T-Mobile)
- Getting GPRS and basic connectivity (e.g., SMS)
- Tried Opera and midpssh to no avail when Option->TCP set to either "wap.voicestream.com" or "internet2.voicestream.com"

Questions:
- Do BlackBerries require additional setup for even non-e-mail Internet (I assume so?)
- If I switch my T-Mobile option to BlackBerry Internet E-mail from T-Mobile Internet, will my SIM/plan not work for a Treo 600?
- Any other concerns I should have?

Long Story:

I've been going through Treo 600s every 6-9 months (just about to get my 4th in just over 2 years) and the Assurance** replacement is getting mighty expensive (now $120/pop). I really do little more than e-mail and run a few Palm apps. I've always seen those older, 16MB, but unlocked GSM BlackBerries for cheap when refurbished at TigerDirect (although I now see they have the Treo 600s for $179 too), and when my most recent Treo 600 went "bottom up," I decided to go for the 7230 at $59.99.

I took my T-Mobile SIM out of my Treo 600 (which has a dead keypad) and put it in a BlackBerry 7230. I have T-Mobile Internet option on my plan with the Treo 600. I've updated the BlackBerry to T-Mobile's latest OS (4.0.0.185), and tried both "wap.voicestream.com" and "internet2.voicestream.com" in the Options->TCP setup, but Opera mini (which I installed) won't work, nor does the midpssh program.

For now, I assume there is some additional setup needed on the T-Mobile end than merely just having the T-Mobile Internet plan. One that requires the activation on the device with an username/password, correct? Or can my current SIM/plan be used for basic Internet -- i.e., running Opera or midpssh?

This is my first BlackBerry, so I'm ignorant in usage/setup (but not in the "backend" concepts -- I've been setting up SMTP servers for almost 20 years, and collaboration servers for 10, and have "read up," and know what T-Mobile and other GSM providers do).

BTW, I called T-Mobile about switching my T-Mobile Internet (for the Treo 600) plan to BlackBerry Internet E-mail, and the price is the same. I'm hoping that will solve the BlackBerry issue, all while the SIM can still be used in a Treo or any other GPRS device for basic Internet.

In other words, I want one to "backup" the other in case I lose one. Although I've been fairly impressed with what the little, cheapy, older BlackBerry 7230 is capable of that I don't think I'm going to replace my next Treo 600. I might as well stick with the 7230, or possibly a newer (but wide keypad) model.

Why did I go Treo before? Same reason I've had Palms since 2001 with the Kyocera SmartPhone 6035 (then 7135, then Treo 6000). I run Linux at home, work, mobile, etc... (yes, I've been using Linux systems, including every system at work, virtually 100% since 1998, and even heavily at work since 1995) and really try to avoid putting any "PIM" type stuff into Windows (and that includes the last 7 years of "my life" synchronized into Evolution). With perfect synchronization with Palm devices under Linux, it's the reason why I stayed with Palm.

But with free services like ScheduleWorld.COM, and its integration into Yahoo, Google and other sites, plus SyncML for every type of device, as well a connector for Evolution, I don't think I need to stay Palm anymore. The fact that the T-Mobile plan for BlackBerry devices the same price, and I'm liking the BlackBerry interface (God I wish the Treo's had as wide of a keypad), really makes me want to part with Palm. I'm not running too much added Palm software on my Treo, so I'm really not tied to it.

So an Additional Question:
If anyone can comment on how ScheduleWorld is working for them, especially if they run Linux/Evolution as their primary desktop, like I do, that would be a nice, bonus answer for me.

**NOTE: I'm not switching the plan right now because I need to get the Assurance replacement. But once I do, I'm going to change the option and drop the $5.99/insurance option from my Plan since these 7230 (even if only 16MB/OS4.0) devices are $60, and even refurbished Treo 600s (which is what they send me anyway) are $179 from TigerDirect.
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That's a long post. Here's a short answer. The BlackBerry requires a specific BlackBerry Data Plan in order to use Internet, data or e-mail services. No other data plans matter.
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