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Default Review: Siemens SK65 with Blackberry Built In. - 01-21-2005, 08:27 PM

Review: Siemens SK65 with Blackberry Built In.

A BlackBerryForums.com exclusive, the first SK65 with Blackberry Built in User Review.


First Impressions

The SK65 is a thing of true beauty, no other phone with a full keyboard on hand posses such a cool factor. Every corner and crevice on the device is done with precision and quality, unlike many devices before it, the build quality is as stunning as the press release photos. Keyboard swivels out as it should, without the worry of having it snap in your hand, a very solid device.

Aesthetics

This is no mini, at 144grams with the measurements of 120x47x22 mm, it’s a skinnier version of the already popular 7100 series Blackberry’s. The sharpness of the Piano Black and silver outline coloring is difficult to capture on film, its truly a thing to see in person. Every detail on the unit is done with precision, every backlit key as bright as its neighboring key. Just like similarly designed Apple Ipod, the material is rather easy to mark, leaving fingerprints and scratches on the unit during daily use. “A leather case will solve that!?” Beware, the swivel keyboard makes it difficult to create a case for the unit, let alone one that would protect the entire device. As it stands, a pouch is the only option, with none in development, however 7100 series pouches should work well with SK65.

Hardware

The device has a stunning sixty-five thousand-color screen, featuring a resolution of 132x176 pixels. However, the highly featured device deserves a screen of higher resolution and possible larger then the 2.05” screen that is currently present. The SK65 features 64mb of ram, that’s right 64mb!! Of this 64mb however only 32mb is available for more applications, pictures, documents and games. The keyboard on this unit is very well made, with perfect pressure distances and great size. The triangle like cornering of the keys, allow for a perfect feel for typing, when looking at the screen, instead of the keyboard, as you can feel when you have reached a neighboring letter. The unit features built in Bluetooth, IRDA and USB, allowing you to communicate with almost any device. The Bluetooth also allows the use of Bluetooth keyboards, headsets and even connections with computers, which is a great feature, considering the 7100, its main competitor lacks this function. The Lithium battery is similar to the one used in recent blackberry’s, however it lacks the battery life of a blackberry, as it only features the advertised battery life of 300 constantly used minutes.

Software

The Siemens software is rather easy to use, and the standard theme is very pleasing to the eye, however menu graphics could be a little better made, as the rough corners are not pleasing to see on such a nice display, a little more work with Photoshop, and less work with MS Paint, please. The firmware features a PDF, excel and word document reader, however, don’t confuse these with editors. A pleasant sight to see if the picture and video viewer, allowing you to view videos at their full frame rates, with no distortion whatsoever, and with mono sound. Over the Air updates are also available, meaning there is no need to visit a Siemens service rep in order to get your firmware updated. The SK65 includes Chess Master, Golf Pro 3D and SeaBattle, which are great features for this business phone. Other unique software included is a golf scorekeeper, a survival translator (which allows for translations in 8 languages) and a Mobile Safe (similar to the one found with Blackberry 4.0 Operating Systems). A WAP Browser, and SMS/MMS as well as email messaging services are also present in the SK65 main menu.


Blackberry Built-In Software

Selecting the Blackberry button from the SK65’s main menu opens up another menu, similar, to those found on today’s Blackberry’s. Initial start up of this menu is however a lengthy process, as the main firmware of the SK65 emulates a Blackberry in order to accomplish this. The menu is 4.0 compatible, allowing picture messaging and syncing, outlook syncing has been reported not to work however. The Blackberry menu features Messages, Contacts, Calendar, Browser, Applications and Setup menus, and the BB menu also features shortcuts for Composing, Saving and searching for messages. All submenus are the same as found on a regular Blackberry, the applications menu however is different, this is where you would find all your loaded games and applications, as well as the Internet Browser and Picture Browser. Most Blackberry applications that are compatible with the 7100 series, will work with this device, however, no IM applications besides Verichat have been noted to work, Verichat works, but its menus do not support the screens resolutions. All of Magmic Games, however work without a flaw.


What comes in the box?
  • *Charger (European Spec, for the model I have)
    *USB Cable
    *Phone
    *Battery
    *CD featuring phone and Blackberry Software
    *Owners Manual, and Quick Guides.

Positives

Amazing versatility and features
Great Design, and very well constructed
Keyboard Design is second to none
Combines the features of 2 devices, with little hassle
Will work with either BES or BWC accounts.

Negatives

Blackberry Emulation takes long to start up
Some Blackberry Applications still aren’t supported
Screen Could be Bigger, as well as of a higher resolution
Leather Pouch, or holster would have been nice to include
No cradle, (RIM devices spoiled me)

Where to Get? / How much?

The SK65 has not been released yet, and only 150 copies have been made, Mostly German and Singapore spec models. Do to the possible Demise of Siemens, this model may never be released. However, 10 or so are available in North America from JiCE @ SizzleRecords, email: [email address]

The going rate is $900 usd, for a unlocked BlackBerry Built in model

*Please Note*SK65’s come in 3 revisions. 2 of which do not contain BlackBerry Built in Firmware, and can not be upgraded. This model contains a unlocked version of said firmware.
   
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More Pictures will be available tomorrow

BUY MY SK65 for only $600 USD
   
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Sweeet


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An amazing device! I want one!
   
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The SK65 has now replaced my 7780 BlackBerry ;)
   
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Bastard!! I want one :P


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Default 01-21-2005, 11:26 PM

Very nice! More style than the 7100 for users who want a good traditional mobiel phone with BlackBerry email.

Only problems is Siemens Mobile is up in the air, so that can be a risk. (Siemens is not going away -- just their mobile phone business is up in the air)

There is no doubt that all the early units will be snapped up pretty quickly, by willing people.


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Default 01-21-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rejhon
Very nice! More style than the 7100 for users who want a good traditional mobiel phone with BlackBerry email.

Only problems is Siemens Mobile is up in the air, so that can be a risk. (Siemens is not going away -- just their mobile phone business is up in the air)

There is no doubt that all the early units will be snapped up pretty quickly, by willing people.
LG has put in a bid to buy out Siemens Mobile Phones.
   
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Default Read Forbes.. - 01-22-2005, 09:50 PM

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LG has put in a bid to buy out Siemens Mobile Phones.
Actually Siemens isnt selling their mobile phone business to LG or Ningbo Bird. Furthermore LG has publicly denied any offers for acquisition of Siemens mobile.

The ironic thing is, both Siemens AND Research In Motion's future are up in the air. As you might know, RIM was hit last year with a patent infringement lawsuit for its blackberry software that is still undergoing the legislative process.

Hmm.. even more reason to grab this ultra-exclusive piece of equipment.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000010028390/
http://www.forbes.com/technology/wir....TLE.ENG..html
   
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Default 01-23-2005, 01:07 AM

Wow, this look like exactly the device I am looking for. I would blow $500 max on it. Anyone have any more details? Like does the phone have bluetooth? Does it run with the normal blackberry desktop software, e.g., can I just plug it into my computer like any other blackberry and have my BES server automatically changed to the new PIN number?

Guess any chance we can get some pics next to a 7100 and 7230, so we can gauge the sie of the phone. I really wonder what the deal with this blackberry connect shit is, it been announced for so many devices, but nothing has really come out with it. I would love to get the software on a treo 650...
   
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Default 01-23-2005, 01:22 AM

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Wow, this look like exactly the device I am looking for. I would blow $500 max on it. Anyone have any more details? Like does the phone have bluetooth? Does it run with the normal blackberry desktop software, e.g., can I just plug it into my computer like any other blackberry and have my BES server automatically changed to the new PIN number?

Guess any chance we can get some pics next to a 7100 and 7230, so we can gauge the sie of the phone. I really wonder what the deal with this blackberry connect shit is, it been announced for so many devices, but nothing has really come out with it. I would love to get the software on a treo 650...
Yes, the Devices has both Bluetooth and IRDA, both with data capabilites. 4.0 desktop software works with the SK65, so yes.. BES will work flawlessly.

I will provide you guys with some side by side shots with a 7780..

   
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Guess, I hate you!!! Just kidding! Now I am on a mission to find a SK65 for a reasonable price. I just came across this, http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...1&NoMapp=0

Says it has the blackberry connect and it's only $519.00
   
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Guess, I hate you!!! Just kidding! Now I am on a mission to find a SK65 for a reasonable price. I just came across this, http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...1&NoMapp=0

Says it has the blackberry connect and it's only $519.00
Please dont purchase it there.99.9% of places such as this are offering non BlackBerry units, and copy the tech notes for their site as blackberry units. The only true source of these is Sizzle Records.
   
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www.omegacell.com has them on sale for 849.99.. here is a direct link..

http://www.omegacell.com/product_inf...e207d3527513ae
   
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Well, I see it on ebay for a lot less then $900, confirming that it's a blackberry unit as well. I really want one, but $900 ain't gonna fly. Guess are you sure Sizzle Records are the only ones? I think more like $500 is reasonable, you think Sizzle Records is going to be flexible?
   
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Only 150 BlackBerry Built in models were ever produced, and 2000+ Non BlackBerry Models produced.

99% of the companies selling these units, just assume its a blackberry model, because the spec sheets from Siemens say so, but in reality they are selling one of then non BB models. Sizzle Records and his affiliates purchased 80-90 of the 150 units ever produced, so I can guarantee that they have the scoop on the BlackBerry Units.

Buy a unit yourself from whomever you want, but make sure they guarantee is a blackberry model, otherwise give you a refund..

The best way of checking if its a bb model is either seeing BlackBerry as the fourth menu logo, or seeing a "BlackBerry Built-In" logo on the back-bottom of the unit.
   
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Thanks, any chance you can take a pic of that logo? I think I am going to get one, trying to sell my 7100t and some other gear right now to come up with some extra cash. BTW, how useable is the keyboard? I could type crazy fast on the school blackberrys. Is this any harder?
   
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Default Sk65 wth BES 4.0? - 01-23-2005, 10:41 PM

Just curious, is the BlackBerry part of it truly a 4.0 version where we can do the wireless address book/memo pad if we have a 4.0 BES server?


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Default Re: Sk65 wth BES 4.0? - 01-24-2005, 11:04 AM

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Just curious, is the BlackBerry part of it truly a 4.0 version where we can do the wireless address book/memo pad if we have a 4.0 BES server?
The version of the software is 3.8, and everything can be done with it as with 3.8, Picture Messaging, and attachments have been known to work, but there is a problem with wireless sync in this version of the software. I am looking to get it rectified asap.