I dont count but one statement there. Im not snippy I am grumpy and there is a difference.

I agree, and just reading comments its hard to tell. Grumpy it is then.

and getting grumpier by the minute with all the iphone threads all over the blackberry forums I visit.

well they are all contained within like 4 or 5 threads (none started by me). just steer clear of them, this one included i guess.

when you hit new posts thats all you see.

what? there is a way to see new posts? get outta here where the heck is that?

yeah i want to know too!

coming from a previous iphone owner i left BB to get iphone left iphone to go back to BB iphone is a gimmicky gadget BB is a functional ease of use productivity machine/phone. BOLD FOR ME!!

$199 for the 8gb version
$299 for the 16gb version

Plus the 3rd party software list at release is going to be rich. SEGA is putting out a few games, Pangea is too. Developers will flock to the iPhone in droves because of the SDK.

There is absolutely BlackBerry will get software support like the iPhone will because A) Everyone is already looking toward iPhone including big name mobile developers. And B) The SDK is light years beyond what RIM has produced.

OK Regarding the non-removable battery in the iPhone - just carry arround an emergency charger that is either precharged or can hold cheap store-bought batteries to juice up that dead iPhone. Either way, you have to carry SOMETHING ELSE in addition to the actual handset. If you have a BlackBerry, it would be an extra charged battery so who cares if it's a simple emergency charger instead?

I think a lot of the "grumpiness" over the proliferation of iPhone 3G threads at BBForums is that it finally is getting a decent-enough push solution coupled with that awesome screen, UI and 3G speed. These are all compelling things.

Avoiding these threads is being ignorant, IMHO.

If it weren't for the iPhone there would be no BOLD.

Do not be FOOLED by the $200 price. You will be paying an extra $10 a month for the plan plus another $5 to $10 extra for text messaging so add as muich as $480 to the costs for your iPhone2!

And where is the poor iPhone user surposed to stick the plug in if not around ac? <ouch>

Are gloves required? <vbg>

Well we all know the old saying about opinions.

greg, the data is now going to be the same as all other 3G devices. Any word yet on the 3G data for the Bold?

also, they make portable battery packs, car chargers and everything else. its not like the accessory makers are not making tons of products for the device.

i think the Bold has nothing to do with the iphone, its the Thunder that is a result of the iphone.

Test according to RIM the thunder has been in production for over three years so how is it in response to the iphone. This is where animosity is built. People are always assuming something was built to respond to something else.

iphone has been in production longer than that. And according to the RIM resident as late as last year they thought touchscreen typing would never work for RIM.
utimately why does it matter, both are moving but into different areas. apple is in the consumer market moving into enterprise and RIM owns enterprise and expanding into the consumer market. Like has been said before why does it have to be good vs. evil? pretty stupid to put it in that way.

I hear what you are saying Gregg.

But for a lot of people, 10 bucks a month seems like nothing, where as $100 extra at purchase date would be hard to come by.

I am hoping to sell my Curve, which is barely used, to help me get the money for the next phone.

If I go with the iPhone, I could also sell my iPod to help offset the cost.

And I agree with the above, I think you need to be educated, and well, on BOTH devices you are trying to choose from to be able to make a good personal decision.

maybe because this is a BB forum. Id say that on the iphone forums the BB would be evil. It just is that way and no one will ever change it. I just get sick of reading about the iphone every where I go including forums, newspaper and so on. I am really glad RIM has started advertising to give another side.

I think its just all the hype that gets peoples blood going. I mean look at you for instance you are not a bb user but post here daily. So it keeps the iphone stuff alive.

why does someone have to be educated on both devices? I have no reason to be educated on the iphone I never plan on carrying one.

Is there as many Blackberry threads on the iPhone Forums as there is iPhone threads here. I just curious.

Well, it's not that you HAVE to be.

But if you are trying to decide between the two, then you should be.

If you are "married" to Blackberry and know that you will never own another brand no matter what, then yea, I guess you don't need to be educated on the other phone.

In that case, it does say IPhone in the title of the thread.

My guess is, you are not forced to click on the thread, but chose to do so anyway.

thats a good question. So far there is only one Bb forum I visit where there is zero iphone stuff and its becoming my favorite site.

@Rat the forum also says its a BB forum but yet here we are discussing iphones.

Dawg I do remember you and a bunch of other guys joined iphonesource.com,

why in the world would you join that site?

And I believe we had this discussion in another thread that it is an open forum so people can say what they want, if you want to ban iphone threads then make your case to Guess and the mods.

No one is forcing you to be educated on both, you choose to read the threads and make comments.

Customshop, yes there are iphone forums that discuss BB, people want to know what their choices are.

and my reason for coming to BBF is to learn about the new BB and I enjoy the off topic section, simple as that and their are BB users who go to iphone forums for the same reasons (example is the guys from here who joined iphonesource).

I have to agree and the $200 price will sell alot of iPhones. These forums are serving their purpose rather well and providing alot of facts and different imput form both sides of the fence.

This is all good and we should all be happy that we have a choice between these two devices. Both Blackberry and iPhone users have more choices than ever!

Did I ever mention banning iphone conversations. Dont put words in my mouth. I joined the iphone forum for my daughter who had an iphone before she wised up and went to a BB.

My response about the education was to rat who stated you need to be eductaed about both devices.

If you dont like what I have to say you can ignore me just like you did with dallas. You are quite being quite defensive here.

Dawg, no need to ban as I enjoy your posts in here.
I'm just telling you where I'm coming from in this, same as your doing.
Open forum = free reign to say what you want.

I saw Guess even have good Apple discussion with JGBerry yesterday, it made for a good thread.

I was told there would simply be a slight increase in our data plan and our family plan covers the text messaging. So, only about a $10 increase per month...

Plus, aren't the data plans up from earlier - even with BB Data? I thought our plan will increase in cost once I renew...

Anyways, the iPhone looks more appealing to me right now due simply to price and 3G. However, coming in from having a Pearl and wanting a larger QWERTY full style keyboard, I have been holding off upgrading due to the Bold and iPhone2.

To me, it simply comes down to the keyboard. I like a physical keyboard when typing. I cannot come to grips with the iPod Touch I have and I use it regularly via the WiFi.

The problem is that I can literally get two devices in one product. A 16G iPhone2 may not be as business savy as the BB Bold would be, but I can do everything with the iPhone2. I travel for work a lot, I use my Touch in the car for music, I like the web surfing abilities on iPhone, being able to load full length movies, etc.

However, the BB allows me to email and text much easier and I do a LOT of that. I just don't know if I can ever get accustomed to the iPhone's million steps for email, touch screen, or the fact that I can't cut and paste...

It's a tough call... Lots of Pros and Cons on each side. I guess I can wait until maybe a website can compare the two...

No. at least not as much and not the ones i visit.

As for the thunder being in production for years, give me a break. who would openly bash touchscreen keyboards while they are working on such a device at the same time. he could only be more of a hypocrite if he had the thing in his pocket. every other manufacturer will say the same thing while they are scrambling to make a touch screen device which is basically a style of phone the iphone made itself.

Dawg,

I completely understand where you are coming from.

I am an admin of a football forum for an NFL team.

We constantly get threads about other teams within the division and the entire NFL. We usually move a lot of those threads to an "Around the NFL" forum.

Perhaps these iPhone threads would have a better place in a different board here, like the general discussion boards. If that is the case, the mods here should be moving the threads as they see fit.

But occasional threads about rivals happens on almost any forum.

And as far as the education, like I said, if you are BB do or die, then no, you don't need to learn about both devices.

But I am open minded about my next phone and want to make a good choice for me.

And yes, I should probably go to a iPhone forum to get info on them, but honestly, I have been a die hard BB user for 5 years or so and started on the RIM 950 Text Pager, so I kind of feel "at home" here.

I joined for informational reasons. As I am selling iPhones my knowledge of the device is neophyte compared to what I know about the BB.

iPhonesource helped me several times solve a customers problem as well as educated me to. besides it was a sister site to BBF.

I think you iPhone people like to flatter yourself to think the iPhone spawned the Thunder! <vbg>

It will be a hard choice for many. Both devices have it good and bad points. You got a month to make up your mind so just relax and see what additional info comes out about both devices.

They probably think the iphone was the first touch screen with the mentality that some of them show.

Touch screens have been around for a long time. I can recall when I got my first BB I wanted a touch screen because I was coming from a palm device. After I realized how superior a reel feel keyboard is to me I cant and wont ever go back.

So if you all want to believe that apple iphone is the coming of Christ and the predecessor for all to come be my guest.

If you don't see the difference between the Palm devices and iphone then look again. The iphone is practically all touch interface, with just 4/5 buttons. There's your difference.

Greg your probably right that it did not directly bring about the Thunder, more like it forced RIM to move up it development of the device. I would imagine that it would have been a few more years before RIM would have released it.

and the tone has certainly shifted in here, love the "you iphone people" phrase. I think thats where it changed.

EZ, i know you and all the others joined for info., same as why iphone people hang around in here. Oh that and for Lunkhead's informative threads.

Oh come on Test of course there is a difference geez. I never once said that they were the same. I used the touch screen aspect of two devices as an illustration and you have me comparing them.

And I told you why I joined the site I also didnt post anything about BBs in there either

Ok this thread is going no where I am done with it. Thanks for the laughs

From what I have heard there is no.

1. Password Storage utility.

2. Cut and Paste, this is so basic!

3. MMS support

4. 2MP Camera

5. Video Recording

6. Modem Tethering

7. Expandable Storage

8. Forward Txt Messages

I'll stick with my BB!

all this being said i want an iphone as a second phone to replace my ipod Touch. the lady of the house is not trying to here it!! lol Maybe ill get an old iphone to vill the void. I like the curve but its a basic tool but gets the job done.

I remember doing Palm. I think I had every single one of them. I was like you and hesitated about getting a Blackberry until a few days later when I knew the RIM device/input system was far superior. My first RIM was a NExtel 6510! I loved it. When the 7520 came out I thought it was something from Star Trek! The 7520 will always be my favorite for most rugged. I used it for 3 years and it looked like new. Todays painted and shiney Blackberrys do not hold up compared to the old 75XX units!

I'm a mod on another cell phone forum that serves a subscriber group for a carrier that will never get the iPhone. This new announcement has caused me some headaches but it can not compare to last year's announcement in January of the device then the launch in June. OMG. I freaking hated the damn phone just because people wouldn't shut up about it. It's lame! It's awesome, I'm switching! You're an idiot! No, you're an idiot! Ad nauseum. Then I bought an iPhone about four months ago. But I'm already starting to hate this new device.

Don't need a wall charger anyway. I have an iPod video and since the iPhone has the same dock connector it's totally handy. I have an iPod charging/connector cable hooked into my head unit in my car as well as an extra USB cable here at the office. I just plug it into the computer and let it charge or plug it into my car and charge it while at lunch if the battery gets low. Extra USB charging/sync cable are cheap and easy to find. Plus I seem to have all kinds of extras floating around for some reason.

All that being said I have no intention of giving up my current iPhone in favor of the new one until I can use it in the same way: unlocked/jailbroken/pop in my SIM with my BB data plan and off I go on the weekends when I want a break from e-mail.

So, my vote is to get the Bold, which I decided as soon as it was hitting the interwebs that at&t would be getting it. I'm hoping I will be able to persuade them to give me an early upgrade.

I'm at a point now where my BB is my weekday device and my iPhone is my weekend device. It's good to have boundaries like that. Affords me some balance. Just my thought.

Something you can't do with your BB unless you install software on your computer. Depending on where you work, this may be forbidden.

I hear you and do not think for a minute I would not like to give the iPhone2 a try! I tried the first generation for a weekend. Just could not give up my RIM device to get my work done.