I know I said I was done but I have to correct you you can charge it just cancel the install and it will still charge. I used to do this on my 71XX all the time at work.

Ok .. seriously. Unlimited data is going to be $30. How the heck is that ripping you off considering data for any other PDA is $30 already, and has been like that for some time? I pay $50 a month for my BlackBerry data with unlimited text messaging. Normally its $19 a month for unl txt messaging. So what does that mean? $30 is my data. I was paying $30 for my data plan with my Tilt.

The way it was ... is iPhone owners got a savings compared to everyone else by $10. Now that the 3G version is coming out, they are now the same as everyone else.

iPhone 2 is going to be a great device. My original 8gb iPhone is totally kills any BlackBerry in web surfing and entertainment value. I have both. I will get iPhone 2 as soon as it comes out, and if the Bold is not the $800 people were rumoring (which will be a bad move on RIMs part), I will buy Bold too.

You mean the iPhone will have the exact same rate plans as BlackBerries? And guess what, the Bold isn't gonna cost $200 when it's released.

The Bold is not going to be $800. Even off contract. That's insane and completely unrealistic.

I completely agree. Both are geared for two completely different markets. iPhone has always been for the consumer market. And BlackBerry has always been for the business one. RIM cannot stay static and cling to mainly business market like they have been for years. The only way to remain profitable with other devices gaining popularity in the corporate sector is to expand in to other areas. iPhone needs the corporate sector as well.

I own an 8gb iPhone AND my 8310 because, unlike some people, I am not closed minded and have a bias hatred. Some people see a name ... and without knowing anything, blindly hate anything that resembles it.

At release I will buy iPhone 2. At Bold release, I will have that too, assuming it won't be $800. Both are geared for different markets. Bold will SUCK as a web browsing and entertainment platform (compared to iphone 2), and iPhone 2 will suck as a messaging and email device.

Thats why I said rumor. Some of the people who seem to have the most accurate insider information have suggested $800 as the price. Same with other sites. But, I remain confidant RIM is not that stupid. An $800 price tag would kill them in the consumer sector ... and that is what is making them very profitable right now because the average joe now has BlackBerries. Even if it is $800 at release, they will probably drop it after they realize it was a bad idea.

Yup. I have heard that complaint before. I think he read the complaining on another web site ... and blindly decided "oh I will complain too!" The extra $10 is not ripping anyone off. Everyone pays $30 a month for data if you have a smartphone and blackberry. But at $200 you save money over other smartphones because initial cost is cheaper. The whole "ZOMG APPLE IS RIPPING YOU OFF $10 MORE A MONTH!" argument is done by A) People that are mad they arent getting away cheaper than everyone else now and they can't afford $10 or B) People that just want something to whine and cry about.

I'm going to guess the Bold will be $299 with new contract from AT&T.
Rate plans will be more interesting, will they charge the same as they do now when they now are 3G as well?
I guess time will tell.

numetheus, I had both 8800 and iphone for a number of months but company quit paying for 8800 so that went away, but I enjoyed both for different reasons just as you stated.

I wish I could afford both of them, but I can't.

That is what is making this difficult for me.

That, and the fact that I just upgraded to a Curve on May 17th, which mean's I am not due for an upgrade.

Anyone have any suggestions to help me in THAT department?

I think you have a 30 day trial period, so you might want to consider taking it back.

I thought about that.

But my old phone is gone and I am hearing more and more that the Bold wont be out until September.

Man.

3 months on my ancient W600i would be painful. LOL..

I seriously doubt it will be out in Sept. I think late June/early July is the commonly held belief.

This one is not true.

2 MP camera with GeoTagging per the spec sheet at their web site.

Sir, where did I say it was ripping you off?

I am not comparing the iPhone plan to a Blackberry Plan. I was comparing the new Iphone plan to the older one. You are right and 3G should cost more and $10 more is nothing for fast 3G service from ATT.

We are not that far apart as I will do as you and buy both the iPhone2 and the 9000 the day each are introduced!

I think it is funny how worked up people get over a PHONE. Choose what works for you. For me, there is no question a BlackBerry is a better choice. The iPhones are pretty neat, but my BlackBerry does critical business functions I need very well, and it is dependable.

The thing that I would point out is that, of the many iPhone users I know out there, it seems that about half of them carry an iPhone and another cell phone around with them. That observation does not represent a quantitative scientific study of any kind, but to me, is speaks volumes.

I am looking forward to picking up a Bold soon.

For all you iPhone thread haters, I just wanted to point out that I specifically checked BB Forums today to hear what the BB users' reactions to the new iPhone would be. I saw all of the iPhone demos, but wanted to hear CRITICISMS of the iPhone from people that use a BB like me, not iPhone fanboy ravings on an iPhone forum. I'm a BB user, have been for a while, and I'll probably pass on the new iPhone in favor of a Bold. But I have to admit that it is BY FAR setting the bar for consumer devices. The internet browsing experience, the video and music playback, and the gaming ability will blow the Bold out of the water. If I didn't need the heavy emailing and physical keyboard text entry, I would probably be buying the new iPhone.

how can you say what the bold will or will not do since its not on the market?

Bold. I have no desire to switch to AT&T nor do I covet an iPhone. The Blackberry devices have suited my needs and that's what I'm sticking with.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I'll go with the Bold, I owned the 1st iPhone and liked it, but grew bored with it after a few months. I was thinking with 3rd party apps coming and 3G and thought I might try the iphone again, but the more I think about it, no MMS, no Voice Dial, and no Cut, Copy, and Paste pretty much rules it out. There is one other app I really miss from no longer having my Curve and that is Password Keeper, looking forward to having it again with the Bold.

Easy. You can say how popular something will be based on trends. Every company does an analysis on current trend before they release anything. No smart investor will blindly build a product and dump all of their money into lavish marketing without first doing trend analysis. Before releasing iPhone they KNEW it was going to be extremely popular based on research. They spend tons of money on security in anticipation of HUGE lines ... and you know what? They were right.

And the current consumer trend is towards the iPhone 2. I seriously doubt AT&T will spend a lot of money on security for the bold release. It will be a standard release affair. Why? Because AT&T knows, based on consumer trend towards purchasing entertainment and music devices, that the demand will not be as high as an iPhone 2 release.

Of course they don't know for 100% certain, but research can make them 90% or more sure of how well it will do.

more iphone talk.... apples marketing dept deserves a whole pack of oreos... they have done their job 100 fold.

I say kudos to apple. They are changing the industry and going after alot of manufactures for dropping a ipod/cellphone/desktop web browser/sexy ground breaking handheld which is sooo fun to use, for 199 bucks.

I see all these iphone people complaining about 10 extra a month. Those of us with BIS have been paying this for a longggggggg time. Isnt BIS like 39.99? Im not to sure how people who buy a $400-600 device are going to complain about the amount of money which compares to about 2 venti coffees a month at starbucks.

oh ya, and for myself... iPhone 3G, and Mobile Me, is worth a shot to me. Im crossing the lines, if the iphone makes me happy, time to walk away from RIM until they do some more innovation them selfs... Ive been looking at the same boring square device for yearrs.

LOL yep. If you can't afford $10 a month you should not be buyin an iPhone or Bold and instead be buying more packs of Ramen soup for the cupboards.

Everyone here gets "worked up" over phones. You are here, too!

This is what this place is for! We just need to keep it friendly and respect each opinion!

I was replying to the guy telling us how the iphone will blow the bold out of the water in features. So please stay on track. My statment had nothing to do with sales and marketing.

IMO this site should be about Blackberries. If you are considering purchasing an iPhone and leaving your Blackberry, then you have already made up your mind, so it really is kind of pointless debating it here.

This site is dedicated to Blackberry devices. Legitimate points being made my posters should not be considered cheap shots. You want to spread the Apple propaganda, go to a site like modmyiphone. I think we need to stick to just Blackberries here. I am awaiting the release of the Blackberry Bold.

And another thing to consider. Now that the average Joe can afford the iPhone 2.0, every som'***** from here to New York will have one. How many people will have the Bold? The Bold will stand out more in comparison to the iPhone. People will see the Bold, and they will want the Bold. People will see the iPhone 2.0, and look around, and see that everyone has an iPhone 2.0.

This is perhaps the dumbest reason to buy a phone.

Please take a moment to examine this statement carefully and realize that the suffering in your life comes from artificial needs and wants and how deeply it stands in the way of you achieving inner happiness.

Ok.

But what about those of us that have been with Blackberry a LONG LONG time and are giving SERIOUS consideration to going with an iPhone2?

Should someone like me REALLY be stuck with only going to some iPhone fan boy site to get an opinion on the iPhone?

I want the good AND bad, not just the good.

I'm not looking for a tit for tat argument here, but what exactly are you saying by "Blind comments." Its a fact that you cannot swap out an ipod, iphone battery without sending it in. If thats not a fact then by all means show me the proof.

That's why I have an extra wall charger here at work and a charger in my car. I wouldn't need the software to charge it on my computer at work, anyway, just like I don't need iTunes (though we have Macs here at the office so that's pre-installed) to charge my iPhone. Not much we can download or install but for my purposes that's pretty much a moot point at the office for the reasons I've mentioned.

*nods* I kind of figured when I got my iPhone I'd use it for about a month then pass it on to my sister in law who also really wanted to use one. But, then I couldn't seem to give it up, I really like it. But, for me, the BlackBerry is better suited for my work purposes than the iPhone which is ideal for weekend use. Since there's a way for me to have both and use them depending on my needs on any given day then I am rolling with both. And my thinking is get the Bold first because I think BB is my one true love and then the iPhone 3G later. My birthday's in September. I'll just put it on my wish list.

I've been a blackberry user for about four years. It was forced on me as all other means to get mobile email were restricted to the BB and VPN via notebook. With each model, RIM has gotten better, much better. The 8820 is really a nice device. Unfortunately for me, IT Policy takes away all the cool features, basically everything short of email; very disappointing. I will buy a 9000 as I really want the high speed tethering. (I buy my own phone but connect to the company BES). I'd be happy if they'd just give me back the memory card.

I tried the iPhone for about an hour as a friend had one. The UI is terrific, Apple really did a heck of a job with the iPod/iPhone. It was a bit sluggish so 3G should make it much better. However, the phone voice quality wasn't that good and I don't see how I can write an email on it easily, so it is out of the question for work. Granted I was inside a building in Manhattan, but the voice quality on my BB was fine. I haven't found anything that comes close the the BB keypad on a phone. Not sure how the iPhone does on battery, the 8820 gets me though a day with about 30% remaining.

I'll definately look closely at the iPhone 3G, but, the 9000 is a sure bet for me.

Regards-Michael G.

iphone.

Why? the SDK. Lots of potential here for some really killer apps.

I'll have to live without the tactile feedback that the BB so reliably provides but the iphone is going to change the mobile world.

still, the Bold intrigues me greatly.

Yep. Without a doubt. There are a lot of people looking to develop software for the iPhone. Moreso than BlackBerry. Do you know how many companies out there have created iPhone specific versions of their web sites? Bank of America, FOX News, CNN, Fandango, Movie Tickets, Google. All just have made iPhone specific sites that mimic the iPhone UI. And that is just a TINY list. LOTS of people look up to iPhone as a platform to develop for, even before the SDK was mentioned. And WITH the SDK the application library for iPhone will swell and be bigger than the BlackBerry software one. Not only does it have the potential for more apps, but the apps will be higher quality.

The 3rd party application potential is more than enough reason for me to go iPhone 3G. But, like I have said before ... I will be getting a Bold as well.

The fact is, I haven't made up my mind. I am a long-time blackberry user and use this forum frequently to get answers to my BB questions. I was very excited about the Bold and/or the new 2.5 firmware for my 8310 that will allow me to shoot video, etc.

Then I saw Steve Jobs' keynote address and was really impressed with the improvements they have made to the new iPhone. The enterprise solutions and the MobileMe seem to address most of the problems I had with it. They still haven't addressed the keyboard issue and the cut/paste issue, so those are REAL drawbacks, but it is a REALLY sexy device.

So, as I have a decision to make between the iPhone and Bold in the next month or so, I went to the trusty BB Forums to look for some critical information on the iPhone, and get answers to some of my Bold questions. I knew if I went to an iPhone forum, I would get only fanboy love. I am looking for reasons to stay with BB. I am still on the fence.

I'm still not sure if the Bold will fully support HTML email, and I thought it would be the size of the Curve, but from pictures I've seen, it seems to be bigger - the size of the iPhone, but thicker. And I still don't know for sure when the Bold will be released.

So I will continue to research before I have to make my decision. There is some great information on this forum.

Your post, however, has added nothing.

I tell it like it is. iPhone can do things that BlackBerry cannot. BlackBerry can do things that iPhone cannot. The topic of this thread is BOLD or iPhone, so all of this iPhone convo is right for this thread. IMO, if you don't want to read about iPhone stuff, then don't visit a thread debating BOLD vs iPhone.

I love my iPhone, and I love my BlackBerry. I WILL sing the praises of BOTH of them, especially in one where talking about iPhone is part of the topic.

Don't listen to fanboys. There are a lot of BlackBerry fanboys here that will tout BB and bash anything else like iPhone, even when they have very little experience with the device. I love BlackBerry ... it has lots of strengths. And I also love the iPhone. It all depends on what YOU, need in a device. If you need a rich web experience including HTML email, but don't necessarily need email INSTANTLY, or type a lot of very long extended emails, then maybe iPhone is more your forte. I really don't care how will Bold renders web pages. A trackball and tiny screen will not make web browsing comfortable compared to large screen and multitouch on the iPhone. On the other end, I really don't care how good they make the email support on the iPhone because even though I can type fast on iPhone, its hard to type long extended emails without a physical keyboard.

You know what BlackBerry is all about. Wait for reviews or play with new blackberry features. You know what iPhone is about. Wait for reviews and software availability to make up your mind. Realize that the new iPhone has fast internet and new bold has better web rendering. Weigh the features and pick one. If you pick wrong, you always have the grace period.

WHY DO THEY MAKE US CHOOSE?????
everyone go buy the xperia x1. choosing between the bold and iphone is too hard so we should just get neither.

Well, for starters because Windows Mobile is crap. You have to click or do a bunch of things to do simple things like send and respond to sms messages. I got rid of my AT&T Tilt because on the move, Windows Mobile sucks for doing things rapidly. Stability sucks if you don't manage your memory. I don't need something that tries to be my desktop in my phone. I need a smartphone that can do everything I need it to, while being quick to use on the go. Windows Mobile aint cutting it.

Think about this ... Everyone tries their hardest to COVER UP the Windows Mobile interface and make it look and act more like other smartphones like the iPhone. There are countless themes and mods to make WM look like iPhone. I have not seen or heard of many people that have mimiced the Windows Mobile interface for their other smartphones. Why? Is this because mose people find WM ugly, unwieldy, and cumbersome? Why are people trying so hard to cover up the fact that its WM? HTC Touch 3D? While it covers up a good portion of it, it does not mask your apps.

Yup .. I just took a very fast look. The sheer number of launcher replacements, themes, and project by even big name companies is enough to tell me people in general hate the WM interface. Even HTC is doing their damndest to hide the interface. Smartphone.net yielded SEVERAL pay interfaces to do the same thing.

Nobody tries to hide or mask the BlackBerry or iPhone interfaces because well ... thats what most people like. Microsoft really needs to get their act together and rework their entire interface from crapdom.