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Berry One · 07-30-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vventimiglia

I am writing this thread as a previous Blackberry Curve, and pearl owner.

can someone please justify how they hate on the iphone and think the blackberry is so much better?

My first blackberry was 950, pager-like device. Perhaps, I have more experience with blackberries than you do. Perhaps, it makes me harder to switch from something that just works for me to something else.

Personally, I don't hate iphone. I just ignore it. It does not bring me anything I can switch for.

I am glad you have found happiness in Jesus phone. One less unhappy or not so happy blackberry user - good for all of us.

mullrat1 · 07-31-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by netPOSER

RIM is a "one trick pony"? Is that supposed to be bad?

And you can't compare RIM's first device to Apple's first device considering Apple introduce their first phone in 2007...way after the cell phone market matured. And Apple still didn't get it right. They forgot copy/paste, MMS, and a few other "standard/proven" features on most basic phones.

RIM came in and did email waaaaaaay before anyone else and didn't have a name like "Apple" (other than the fruit reference). Blackberry was built on performance and reliability not fancy marketing and coolness. Blackberry filled a void in the market whereas Apple is selling to mostly non-smartphone users.

Really, how many iPhone buyers are previous smartphone users?

Not too many. I would say that most iPhone users came from a regular cellphone. They are usually not looking for smart phone features in it. Basically most of them want an ipod phone that can play games and the like. The point in my post is that RIM's first device was not revolutionary compared to the competition at that point in time, which I made clear on my post. The iPhone is quite revolutionary comparing it to other phones in the market again at this point in time. RIM's email prowess has been copied (not very well) and I anticipate that the iPhone will also be copied ad nauseum over the next few months and years.

By the way, apple doesn't forget anything. They restrict. They're restricting copy/paste MMS and A2P because they are arrogant. They believe people will continue to buy their products and upgrade them as new features are released. For every apple product that I have, I feel almost like I'm borrowing it from Steve Jobs. I don't truly own it because of its many restrictions.

test54 · 07-31-2008, 04:34 PM

mullrat, kind of like how RIM puts out the same phone in 5 version because they do not want to release the full model till the end of the product's life cycle? I don't think it arrogance at all, it's called a business model.

their putting copy & paste i think is coming straight from the top, I think Jobs has not liked what he has been shown on the ways to implement it, but it will be included.
And it will be included free of charge without making anyone buy a new device.

People buy apple products for all the same reasons they buy anything else, its different for everyone. Apple puts those restrictions on their products because they feel that they want to control every aspect of the user experience. This works very well in their OS and reasonably well in the computers. They found that it did not work as well in the Phone so they made an adjustment with the apps, or atleast made it look like that.

Thats just my take on it. Business is Business and every company follows their model for success.

Insurgent · 05:38 AM

I think the people that want Blackberry's want them for different reasons than iPhones. Thats the nature of comparing the devices. The BlackBerry itself is a PDA/Phone hybrid with an emphasis on communication OTHER THAN voice. The iPhone is a phone/iPod with a computer-based OS and full Web 2.0 web browser, that like comparing apples and pears here.

To comment on what BlackBerrys can do that iPhones can't, there are so many seen as BlackBerrys aren't necessary just phones so they can do what a lot of phones cannot do, for example: Pin-to-Pin messaging. Apparently the Exchange features of the iPhone do not work as efficiently as on the BlackBerry devices, which isn't a surprise.

I know people with the iPhone that constantly tout how great the iPhone is, I'ved used the old one and when I'm ready, I'll have a spin on the 3G model but for me I'm not won over by touch screens and fancy looking OS. I'm more about functionality and abundance of features and connectivity. Also I like my devices to be customisable and more computer-like. For example, I want to be able to change my theme, remove my battery, browse my microSD card just like a removable disk, edit the documents on there and then email them. I like to be able to just type up a quick document on the move and set reminders for myself throughout the day and I'm not even a corporate user of a BlackBerry, in fact I've never owned one before. I've just noticed the things I want from a mobile device seem to be covered by the BlackBerry and covered pretty well at that.

The iPhone does many of these things but is more flashy, fancy and less open ended. It seems more for the fashion happy consumer who wants to "move with the times" than the genuine technology enthusiast (that actually uses the device than simply marvelling at the touch and swipe capabilities). Its the difference between purchasing a Mac and a PC to me, I don't want to copy my entire iTunes library (if I had one) to my phone to listen to a few songs. I want to be able to move a song across, then maybe bluetooth it to a laptop and/or receive another file and just add it to my list of songs as I go along, at ease. These things aren't possible on the iPhone, its just much too closed a device for me.

Bru433 · 08-03-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Alexzander

I think the iPhone email experience is by far better....You don't have your PCs and Macs using a NOC to send email.

Somebody get this guy a message flow chart. I guess I could draw one up for you using pretty colors with sparkles and ribbons...

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Originally Posted by Alex Alexzander

As for security, I don't buy that the BB is so much better. The reality is simple. The iPhone works much the same way your corporate PC does in terms of email. The iPhone does not lower the overall security of your company. That's just grasping at straws in my opinion.

Also, try reading this :
http://www.resourcecenter.blackberry...ersion_4. pdf

If one does not feel so inclined to do so, I'll give the points of interest:
S/MIME, PGP, AES, 3DES, Smart Cards, IT Policies (400+), SRP authentications and (my favourite) memory scrubbing!
Now I'm no rocket surgeon but i *think* those might say a few things about security? I could throw out a dozen or so more links but whats the point.

Ignorance really gets me...why post on a BlackBerry enthusiast forum and make claims, regardless of opinion, without at least knowing what you're talking about?

Alex Alexzander · 08-03-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bru433

Somebody get this guy a message flow chart. I guess I could draw one up for you using pretty colors with sparkles and ribbons...

Also, try reading this :
http://www.resourcecenter.blackberry...ersion_4. pdf

If one does not feel so inclined to do so, I'll give the points of interest:
S/MIME, PGP, AES, 3DES, Smart Cards, IT Policies (400+), SRP authentications and (my favourite) memory scrubbing!
Now I'm no rocket surgeon but i *think* those might say a few things about security? I could throw out a dozen or so more links but whats the point.

Ignorance really gets me...why post on a BlackBerry enthusiast forum and make claims, regardless of opinion, without at least knowing what you're talking about?

What exactly are you disputing? If I have exchange server and a PC client, the PC client is not getting email through a NOC. Your blackberry is, not your PC. My point is, because your PC and iPhone use the same method, it is no more or less secure. If you think that is not accurate, you're sadly mistaken. Your PC is going directly to your email server. If there is ignorance here, it is yours.

Alex

NJBlackBerry · 08-03-2008, 12:46 PM

Cool it or this thread gets closed PRONTO.

Alex Alexzander · 08-03-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

Cool it or this thread gets closed PRONTO.

Oh pardon me. I didn't think I came off as hostile at all. Sorry I am making sense. Close away. Wouldn't want the iPhone guy to make sense now would we?

Alex

NJBlackBerry · 08-03-2008, 12:52 PM

I was referring to both of you; don't take things so personally.

test54 · 08-03-2008, 03:12 PM

"No longer Registered."

did u boot him or did he leave?
to boot would seem pretty harsh imo.

NJBlackBerry · 08-03-2008, 03:57 PM

He cursed me out in two PMs and asked to be banned.
It was silly and ridiculous. So he is no longer registered.

jeremyckitching · **OS:** 5.0.0.314

Wow! I didn't know these discussions could become so heated. Maybe there is an application in the Apple app store for him for stress relief...

NJBlackBerry · 08-03-2008, 04:54 PM

iStress?

kboyer · **OS:** 4.3.0.127

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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

He cursed me out in two PMs and asked to be banned.
It was silly and ridiculous. So he is no longer registered.

I just can't imagine getting so heated over something so stupid. Life is too short. Some folks need to learn how to not sweat the small stuff. Moving on!

I was in the local Apple store in the mall today. I had an appointment to have a Touch replaced. It was so busy that they had a "Genius" at the door counting heads. He was only letting in people as others left so they wouldn't break fire code.

On a side note, semi related to 3G phones, I've now owned 3 iPod Touches in the last 7 months -- each has broken down or died. The latest one's Wi-Fi just stopped working suddenly. I've got to give it to Apple -- part of why they are successful is that their in-store customer service rocks. Their shit breaks down a lot, but they replace it without a hassle and the warranty clock starts all over again with the replacement.

NJBlackBerry · 08-03-2008, 05:45 PM

iBroke?

I've never had an iPod or iTouch break. We now have 11 iThings, including the iPhone 3G, and never had to return one. Good to know the warranty policy is good. Especially with that battery

test54 · 08-03-2008, 08:36 PM

NJ, i understand then that he needed to go.

I've had 3 computers, 2 ipods and the original iphone and none have had any issues but i have heard the same thing about their in-store cs, its mainly very good.

nyte3k · 08-04-2008, 03:05 PM

I have an iphone 3G, which is an awesome device. And I also have a Curve, which i love as well. I prefer to use the BlackBerry, but both devices are great. One reason i like the Curve a little more is because i'm not really a touchscreen type of person. It's cool and everything and helps when it comes to some functionality, but overall, i prefer non-touch. (especially with typing).

Another thing I prefer about the BlackBerry (or maybe all non-iPhones) is from a development standpoint, i don't feel locked in. I don't like the control Apple has over the SDK, such as the AppStore being the ONLY way to distribute your appllication, no trial, apple having to approve your application, among other things.

Overall, both phones are great, with the iPhone leaning more towards the consumer end, and Blackberry leaning more towards the corporate end.

It will be interesting to see how this plays in the coming months... it appears RIM is trekking on Apple's turf more, than apple getting into RIM's territory, with devices such as Javelin, Thunder, and KickStart which would obviously appeal more towards consumers.

jsconyers · **OS:** 4.5.0.175

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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

He cursed me out in two PMs and asked to be banned.
It was silly and ridiculous. So he is no longer registered.

This is unfortunate, I always enjoyed reading his debates on the iPhone vs BlackBerry, he seemed to be slightly biased for the iPhone, but for the most part he was pretty fair from the previous threads I've read. To get that upset doesn't make sense to me. Ohh well, the show must go on.

NJBlackBerry · 08-04-2008, 04:08 PM

The current iPhone reminds me of the early Java based BlackBerrys. It's incomplete. Things aren't always where you would expect them. The 5810 didn't have a user serviceable battery and had TERRIBLE battery life. Many of the iPhone issues (my word) can be fixed via software updates.

fxstsb · 08-05-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vventimiglia

I am writing this thread as a previous Blackberry Curve, and pearl owner. I noticed there are blackberry die hards all over this site and being a previous owner of one and now the owner of a Iphone 3g I wanted to confront those who love to " hate " on the Iphone. I ask you people this.... What on earth does ANY blackberry do that the iPhone doesnt do already or do 10x better?

Lets go down the list. Iphone goes up to 16gigs of available memory when you cant even expand the memory using a micro sd card on the blackberry to that big. So right there the iphone destroys the blackberry in available space to use for mp3's or photo's ect.

Moving on to size and design. First thing everyone who has a blackberry is going to say is the iphone is fragile. Yes ill be the first to say it is more fragile then a blackberry so if your looking to beat the hell out of your phone and not have a case for it then no its not the phone for you. But i see most blackberry users treat there phones as if there godly so i see no reason why it being a bit more fragile would be a problem. If anyone trys to say the iphone is not better looking then any blackberry even the bold ( who copied some of its design from the iphone ) has to be in pure denial. Blackberry has kept the same crude boxy design and change the colors and curves slightly with each phone but essentially keeping the boring ugly brick format. there latest innovation in years was moving from a track wheel to a track ball.

The internet. This is where the iphone single handedly blows the doors off any blackberry. First off the screen on the blackberry is so tiny and the graphics look like atari compared to the iphone. the webpages are modified and i dont care if its 3g or not ( which still isnt out yet for blackberry ) it will not look nor load the same speed as a iphone which is built for internet use. web pages come up fluidly and fast and identical to a pc rather then the 2 and half minute wait to get a shambled version of a webpage on a blackberry.

Next is all the affordable and extremely usable 3rd party and apple apps. you can download them right from your phone anywhere and for usually a reasonable price. unlike blackberry who requires u to hook up a cable to ur pc to download a 20 dollar alarm clock program

so what is the last hoorah for the blackberry. CORPORATE EMAIL. most people sign themselves up for it in the company to seem important barely using it but lets discuss this as if you really did need it and use it. Iphone now supports corporate email however not all companies are on to it yet so it may not be available. but once it catches on n it will, what happens to blackberries sole purpose? does the corporate email make the blackberry so great when it gets blown out on every single other option and feature? can someone please justify how they hate on the iphone and think the blackberry is so much better?

Well, th BB has removeable batteries and the Iphone has a tiny keyboard.

ashleyneiltaylor · 08-05-2008, 10:20 AM

Hmmm

A few things Blackberry support that iPhone doesn't...

Lotus Notes Push Email
Certificate based PEAP WiFi
Central Management

In other words many things the corporate would want (Not just users but Administrators)

Orbital199 · 08-05-2008, 12:05 PM

I think it's really more of a debate over what the device is being used for. The iphone, in my opinion is a multimedia device that's not appropriate for large scale government companies.The iphone is youthful and trendy, and I'm not saying that in a bad way, it's yet another amazing apple product, but if we adopted that as a standard where I work it would be a nightmare seeing as our users are primarily of an older generation. There's also the problem of it's lack of security, and in a government job that's vital.

And you can't expect to post a thread about iphone vs. BlackBerry on a BlackBerry forum without getting replies in defense of the BlackBerry.

TheBigNewt · 08-05-2008, 01:05 PM

I realize there is the new 3rd party app iStore for the 3G. My question is: is that the only place one can get an app for it? On this forum people post links for their themes, new apps like the Colorball, stuff like that which can be free (or not). Is that going on for the iPhone or do you have to go through their Store only?

tpoon · 08-05-2008, 01:13 PM

The BB camera is of definite superior quality!

Happily syncing to BES with The Message Center Exchange Hosting

NJBlackBerry · 08-05-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigNewt

I realize there is the new 3rd party app iStore for the 3G. My question is: is that the only place one can get an app for it? On this forum people post links for their themes, new apps like the Colorball, stuff like that which can be free (or not). Is that going on for the iPhone or do you have to go through their Store only?

Apple restricts how (and where) you can download applications. Search for "jailbroken" to see what lengths people have gone to in order to download apps.

clubchucker · 08-06-2008, 04:31 PM

I'll be the first to say I'm not nearly as techno savvy as many here. So my main problem with the iPhone and/or the 3G? Plain and simple: AT&T. I've got some of my issues with Verizon (my carrier) and I'm definitely not a fanboy of Verizon, but you know what? Never been anywhere in the US where I haven't gotten a signal.

TheBigNewt · 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by clubchucker

I'll be the first to say I'm not nearly as techno savvy as many here. So my main problem with the iPhone and/or the 3G? Plain and simple: AT&T. I've got some of my issues with Verizon (my carrier) and I'm definitely not a fanboy of Verizon, but you know what? Never been anywhere in the US where I haven't gotten a signal.

Yeah, ATT 3g coverage isn't as good as Vzn's EVDO 3g, but it's getting better and it's in most major cities now. I've been plenty of places where I can't get Vzn. I've got Tmob now, but if I can't get them I can roam ATT so that expands things a lot. I don't know for sure if you can't get ATT will your phone then roam to Tmobile?
As for the 3rd party apps for the iPhone I guess the new store is better than nothing, but if Apple controls the pursestrings I can't imagine getting anything very useful without having to pay for it. True, you have to pay for BB stuff too, but you can always hope it's free.

NJBlackBerry · 08-06-2008, 04:57 PM

No.. An iPhone on AT&T will not roam to T-Mobile for 3G. Their frequencies are different <gulp>.

That's why unlocking an iPhone really won't buy you much (assuming you could unlock a 3G iPhone, which you can't).

TheBigNewt · 08-06-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

No.. An iPhone on AT&T will not roam to T-Mobile for 3G. Their frequencies are different <gulp>.

That's why unlocking an iPhone really won't buy you much (assuming you could unlock a 3G iPhone, which you can't).

Got it, but how about 2g (I can't get ATT 3g where I like in AZ)? If I run out of coverage on ATT will I roam to Tmob 2g? I really don't think I need 3g very often, I live without it now. I don't browse much at all and mostly for sports scores and news blurbs.

NJBlackBerry · 08-06-2008, 05:20 PM

If it is an area with weak coverage, no roaming. If, for example, AT&T has NO coverage in an area, they may have a roaming agreement in place. Not that common.

It is not like outside of the US, where you have a choice of carriers...

joeygator · 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mullrat1

Excuse my noobness but I also have both devices. I've had blackberries for a long time. To me just compare the first generation BB 850 in relation to its competition. Pretty standard two way text pager. Really it was nothing special. Compare that to Apple's first device, again in relation to current competition. As a previous poster put it, it isn't finished yet, but when it is, they have the potential of taking over. You see RIM only has one specialty in its business. Apple as seen in that keynote address has three. And they are focusing heavily on the iPhone and attempting to knock RIM off its perch as #1. In other words they are using the majority of their resources from the other two arms to fund iPhone R&D and sales. RIM is a one trick pony. (smart phones)

For me by far the better device is my curve. I have every feature imaginable on it that I would need. But as the 3rd party stuff on the iPhone has improved, I noticed that my curve's use time has decreased a decent amount.

The only way iPhone will go down is if Apple beats itself.

Comparing to the 850 is unreasonable. This was a device that only did data! And it wasn't on the cellular network. Not a fair comparison. The only comverged device at that time that I can recall was called Simon from BellSouth Mobility. What a flop! I love the functions of the iPhone, but I want to do business, not music, pictures, etc. Oh, and can you tether with the iPhone?

Sorry I was a little late on this thought!

test54 · 08-07-2008, 09:06 AM

you can tether with iphone if you were lucky enough to get the netshare app when it was in the app store. The developers say they are working with apple to get it back. It basically turns your iphone into a wifi router i believe.

DallasFlier · **OS:** 4.6.1.250

The iPhone absolutely has some truly wonderful capabilities. It just doesn't excel at what I carry a mobile phone/PDA for. My priorities, in order are:

Excellent phone
Push email
Flexible apps with the ability to make it do other useful things
Web browser
Multimedia ("iPod") device

The iPhone's rank ordered list of best to worst features are:

Multimedia ("iPod") device
Web browser
Flexible apps with the ability to make it do other useful things
Push email
Excellent phone

That, in a nutshell, is why I continue to carry the BlackBerry, and will for the foreseeable future. Pretty simple! If you want a world class phone and push email device with passable web browsing and multimedia, get a BlackBerry. If you want a world class multimedia and web browsing device with a passable phone and email, get an iPhone.

H-Tub · **OS:** 4.6.0.167

WOW...Glad this thread was started makes my option to which one to get.....Of course BB WINS...Thanks to All look out BOLD cuz u will be mine LOL..

dragon_fly · 08-09-2008, 08:44 PM

The problem with Iphone is battery. It does not last long enough due to big screen.

Blackbery: durable, fast typing, weakness: no wifi until bold come out. Small screen, can't not see pdf file or attachment well

Iphone: sexy, not sure durable, so far I put it behind my pocket jumping around (have not drop it yet), it work fine. Battery can't last for more than 7 hours. Picture taken is very clear, can zoom on web site, wifi (a plus for now).

Different use, different need. Iphone: entertainment, rapid respond with attachment. I want to see the bold before I judge it

Berry One · 08-09-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dragon_fly

Blackbery weakness: no wifi until bold come out.

I should tell my blackberry 8820 that it only think it has WiFi.

LovinLife22608 · 08-09-2008, 10:42 PM

If my iPhone screen wasn't cracked right now, and it didn't cost 250 to replace that, then I'd be using that instead of the 8100. But after using the 8100 for a week I was sold. I don't think I'll go back to iPhone or Sidekick.

DacyJ · **OS:** 4.6.0.282

I was having a issue with my friends truck and needed to send a picture but he has a iPhone and cant receive pictures. No mms on a iPhone?

danedel · 08-10-2008, 04:54 PM

I think this video pretty much sums it up...

YouTube - iPhone vs BlackBerry

jletendre · 12:31 PM

How many times are we going to have a thread about this? Too bad Alex went off the deep end as he did have some good thoughts around mobility. Although his PC against exchange misses the entire point of mobile security:

The PC doesn't walk out the door with you!!

Outside of Good server - nothing matches Blackberry from a security / policy / management perspective and when I have to control 3000+ devices THAT matters .. sure SCMDM2007 is coming along but it's a seperate CAL, while BES is a nice all in one box that provides all the great things Blackberry can do AND provide the security I'd say the majority of companies require. Apple has nothing to offer device encryption, device policy to say lock down the camera or loading of Super Monkey ball etc. Frankly I don't see them ever having this unless they license the FULL activesync API set. The SDK could be used but Apple has locked down all this type of functionality. They want this to be like the Ipod and have total control and that isn't going to work in the corporate world. We don't feed the Apple Ecosystem.

I don't need to list out every feature of either device and because one has more / better features it makes it the "winner" .. if that were the case everyone would be using Windows Mobile. Blackberry is a very well put together device that just works. It is engineered to provide workflow improvements and 99% of the functionality can be done one handed (try doing that with a iphone). So combine all that with the BES and what it provides and it's rock solid. OS 4.5 makes the "email is better on the iphone" point negated as HTML / rich content email basically looks the same now.

Also wanted to touch on the 857 vs Iphone .. don't even understand the simularities but it does show how far (and fast) mobility has matured. The Iphone is not possible 3 years ago .. the network as well the cost to build / sell was just not at the level. Likely it was in development for a good 3 years prior to launch. Mobile devices change every 6 months and Blackberry is set to release 3 new devices across every carrier on the planet over the next few months. Apple is limited to At&t in the states and one device (different memory configures). Considering all the things RIM is juggling I'd say they are doing better if you consider the issues lately on Iphone with OS stability, App Store, and MobileME crashes.