I am writing this thread as a previous Blackberry Curve, and pearl owner. I noticed there are blackberry die hards all over this site and being a previous owner of one and now the owner of a Iphone 3g I wanted to confront those who love to " hate " on the Iphone. I ask you people this.... What on earth does ANY blackberry do that the iPhone doesnt do already or do 10x better?

Lets go down the list. Iphone goes up to 16gigs of available memory when you cant even expand the memory using a micro sd card on the blackberry to that big. So right there the iphone destroys the blackberry in available space to use for mp3's or photo's ect.

Moving on to size and design. First thing everyone who has a blackberry is going to say is the iphone is fragile. Yes ill be the first to say it is more fragile then a blackberry so if your looking to beat the hell out of your phone and not have a case for it then no its not the phone for you. But i see most blackberry users treat there phones as if there godly so i see no reason why it being a bit more fragile would be a problem. If anyone trys to say the iphone is not better looking then any blackberry even the bold ( who copied some of its design from the iphone ) has to be in pure denial. Blackberry has kept the same crude boxy design and change the colors and curves slightly with each phone but essentially keeping the boring ugly brick format. there latest innovation in years was moving from a track wheel to a track ball.

The internet. This is where the iphone single handedly blows the doors off any blackberry. First off the screen on the blackberry is so tiny and the graphics look like atari compared to the iphone. the webpages are modified and i dont care if its 3g or not ( which still isnt out yet for blackberry ) it will not look nor load the same speed as a iphone which is built for internet use. web pages come up fluidly and fast and identical to a pc rather then the 2 and half minute wait to get a shambled version of a webpage on a blackberry.

Next is all the affordable and extremely usable 3rd party and apple apps. you can download them right from your phone anywhere and for usually a reasonable price. unlike blackberry who requires u to hook up a cable to ur pc to download a 20 dollar alarm clock program

so what is the last hoorah for the blackberry. CORPORATE EMAIL. most people sign themselves up for it in the company to seem important barely using it but lets discuss this as if you really did need it and use it. Iphone now supports corporate email however not all companies are on to it yet so it may not be available. but once it catches on n it will, what happens to blackberries sole purpose? does the corporate email make the blackberry so great when it gets blown out on every single other option and feature? can someone please justify how they hate on the iphone and think the blackberry is so much better?

Copy and paste?

so blackberry is better phone because of cut and paste, that would make you buy it over the countless other better features of a iphone? just curious, also the cut and paste feature is supposed to be added in the 2.01 update for the iphone.

I was just answering your question. There is also a tiny thing called security, the BlackBerry is far superior than the iPhone in that department. That feature I would believe is a BIG decision factor for many.

Voice-activated dialing, video recording, A2DP stereo Bluetooth, MMS messaging, copy and paste, and I can replace the battery if there is a problem. Those are some of the things that the BlackBerry can do that the iPhone cannot. Just answering the question.

Good list, I would just add....running more than 1 application at a time.

And you can install BlackBerry applications over the air. It doesn't always require you to install via USB.

The iPhone is an amazing device, and I believe the BlackBerry is too. It is great that users can choose which one they want. The iPhone excels at things, as does the BlackBerry. I am actually thinking about getting an iPod Touch at some point because I saw my brothers and think it is great.

Very true! I forgot about that one.

How odd is it that you would come to a BlackBerry forums website and find BlackBerry diehards?

Would you expect throngs of Chevy enthusiasts at a Ford roundup?
Would you find hordes of coffee aficionados en masse at a Barbecue cook-off?
Would you look for the high dive swimming team at a snow ski resort?

So why do you visit "www.BlackBerryForums.com" and appear surprised to find WHOA!, BlackBerry enthusiasts!

If you are here to have an intelligent, passionate AND civil debate of the features--great. There are many iPhone users here, but don't be surprised should you get flamed if your enthusiasm for the iPhone gets a bit too defensive.

Afterall, this is not the iPhone fanboy site. It is a BlackBerry enthusiast forum.

JSanders, I like how you use fanboy vs. enthusiast there. I think you will find both fans and fanboys of both on here.

Yes, we do have both. It was not intentional.

We do have fanboys and enthusiasts of both products here.

I just don't know what the OP hopes to gain.

I know it was just funny thats all.
I think he just wants to stir things up, nothing new imo.

I have both the 8820 and the iPhone 3G and I've got to agree with curriertech that the Blackberry, for what it does, it does it very well. It may not have all the bells and whistles of the iPhone, but the features that it does have it really performs them well. Simple things like text messaging, note taking, being able to type notes and browse through applications is MUCH MUCH easier on a Blackberry and if you don't agree with that, you've never compared the two.
Bottom line is that the iPhone is a very good multimedia phone where Apple has placed an emphasis on fun, but the Blackberry is for professionals in the business world that needs to be productive and at the same time have a little fun with the multimedia advances of the newer Blackberry's.

My killer feature = UMA / HotSpot @ Home, but what else do I like about my BlackBerry?

• I'm not a developer, but collaboration helps when writing a program: (iPhone NDA: Doing more harm than good)
• I like not having to pay for every, little feature I want to take advantage of. Sure, I paid $ 450 up-front, but I am convinced that I got a lot of bang out of my buck even though I've only had it for two weeks (see my blog -- link is in my signature).
• This may be a moot point, but when I had my Windows Mobile phone, a touch screen was so unwieldy that I told myself, "Touch screen... never again."

Also, to address your points about downloading programs, there are actually freeware for the BlackBerry. As a matter of fact, I downloaded them all directly from the Internet (we call this OTA -- Over The Air). One more thing: Please do not make duplicate posts -- it is very rude.

An obvious troll.

But the reason I went with a BB last week over the new iPhone is that the BB is better suited for business use. One fingered touchscreen typing is slow, awkward, and inefficient.

one fingered touchscreen typing is slow if you dont use it and get use to it. eventually you dont use 1 finger and you type as if you would on a physical keyboard, i have the iphone 2 weeks and im about 85 percent as fast as i was on a physical keyboard. change is inevitable dont fear it because more chance then not blackberry will eventually catch up and have touchscreen.

Agreed, judging from this person's only three posts. Here are some more nice features:

• My MicroSD card shows up as a standard mass storage device. That means I can put files on my BB without being locked to one program.
• Voice dialing: It is REAL, honest-to-God voice recognition and text-to-speech!

Just so you know, RIM is coming out with a touchscreen device, called the Thunder. Change is inevitable, but some folks still want their buttons / tactile feedback.

I really have to question the whole corporate email thing where many say the BlackBerry shines. I very often get an email in which someone is calling my attention to many areas with highlights or different colors. They will add notes for example and put them in red or highlight. The reality that iPhone email is pretty much the same as desktop email is a world of difference for me. BlackBerry is adding some of this, but it's just not the same. I don't agree about email being better on the BB at all anymore. I think the iPhone email experience is by far better.

I also feel the same way about the web. I never used the web on my BB. Or when I did, it was a rare thing. But now I use it all the time. And not just for browsing as you might thing. I use it for web-based applications. Some of which work quite well. I have one subscription to MintFly which is $35 a year use of a connector app that taps into SalesForce.

A while back I said it would be about the applications. I said developers would flock to the iPhone and gain a tremendous amount of their business from the iPhone. Here is a clip from an article that appears in MacWorld which mentions the success one developer is having compared to what he had before the iPhone.

The issue raised of running multiple apps is mostly solved in my opinion. The only real app I can see needing such functionality is IM software, or software where an alert is needed as you do other things. Apple's que forward technology solves this problem. It should also be noted that Apple's phone can and does run multiple apps at once. I can listen to my music or audio book while typing up an email. And if a call comes in, I will get the call. And the 3G version of the iPhone works much like a WiFi phone does in that using data doesn't shut the phone down from receiving a call. Likewise I can be on a call, and still type up an email, do a google search, or otherwise lookup and send information. It truly is like having a tiny computer with you. It's so much more useful to me than my BB was.

I'm also very happy to report that I found a replacement for my favorite BB app, which is ToDoMatrix. The app I now use is OmniFocus. I've been using this for a solid few months as a desktop app. And I have been using it as an iPhone app since the 3G released. Unlike ToDoMatrix, there is a desktop version of the software. And it does have sync but doesn't require a subscription for the sync. I can use my iDisc, or Webdav, or just plain ol email to push updates. OmniFocus is cheaper, by about 1/3rd the price. And because there is no subscription, it is even less. It's also a far more sophisticated application. I think this drives at what the OP is saying. What I have on the iPhone is so much better.

As for security, I don't buy that the BB is so much better. The reality is simple. The iPhone works much the same way your corporate PC does in terms of email. You don't have your PCs and Macs using a NOC to send email. The iPhone does not lower the overall security of your company. That's just grasping at straws in my opinion.

Alex Alexzander

Ladies and Gentlemen... Nostradamus has been reborn and has visited our fine forum.

exactly iphone is going the way of corporate email just a matter of time until companies except it and you will see a dramatic increase in iphone usage for business reasons as well. the corporate email is just the instant access of it, in terms of how it looks and is used as the user above said the desktop aspect of how the iphone works and acts like a full blown computer is probably preferred by most. i mean most people use a pc all day and used it for business before they did there phones so y not continue using the same format on your phone ?

Companies already "except it", i.e., the iPhone is the exception in most corporate environments.

Is that what you meant?

iphone keyboard sucks unless you are 10 years old. Internet is faster to non-compressed data and admit. I do like touch screen.

lets talk simple things you do every day....

1. switch email boxes - how many steps does it take you to do that? FIVE. utterly ridiculous and unusable. going back and forth? forget it
2. search for a contact? - the only search window is at the top of contacts list. woops, due to the crappy keyboard every time i try to hit the magnifying glass icon i hit add contact! why isn't there just a window at the top for contact search?
3. search your email? search for a specific sender? sorry, out of luck.

simple things to fix but apple isn't paying attention to detail.

See attached comparison chart.

Here we go again. An iphone fanboy trying to rant on blackberries again.

Here's some points I'd like to make:
1) Many of the blackberry turned iphone users have come back to blackberry...why is that you think?
2) Is iphone ever going to change the way it looks? With its touchscreen feature, I just can't see the iphone looking any different years to come. Whats next? Pink iphone? clear iphone? Titanium iphone? Iphone with a 5" screen? At least there are a variety of models with blackberries and more to come.
3) Email - You can subscribe up to 10 emails which all come into one box on your blackberry. Does iphone have that?
4) Iphone can't voice dial, doesn't have A2DP, no replaceable battery, and no modem option.
5) Blackberry Messenger - blackberry has its own messenging software in which you can chat with people all over the world with blackberries.
6) Your stuck to ATT service and expensive contracts with the iphone.

While I admit that the iPhone is very "cool" device, it is not much more. The Apple marketing machine has done an excellent job at appealing to the masses, but for someone who wants a phone with email and a well integrated organizer, a Blackberry is hard to beat. I've outgrown the "look at me and my cool expensive new toy" phase. It wasn't long ago similar arguments were being made between the Blackberry and Palm Treo, and we all know who won that one.

I bought my wife the new iPhone 3g, it is a great device, fantastic actually not other phone can do what it can do. What I mean by that is how it makes you feel when your using it, its fun and sorta magic. That being said the magic gets real old after serious usage. Battery life is much less than any berry I have everused.

Blackberrys get business done faster, the OS continues to improve. Email is still the blackberry's specialty. (Changing email boxes is horrible on the iPhone) Still no real push for the iPhone but greatly improved from the first OS.

But dude why are you coming here, I highly doubt you had your curve for more than 6 months and if you did you may need a phone with an easier OS and some status to boost your self esteem.

I'm sure the iPhone is great for those people who like the features it has. Just like a BlackBerry is great for people who like the features it has. Two totally different devices.

Kinda like why one person will buy a car and one will buy a truck. They both get you from point A to point B, but the 'ride' is different for both.

One thing that I didn't see mentioned that I really like about a BlackBerry, that I haven't seen on other devices are the features that help you type - AutoText, holding a letter to capitalize it, pressing space twice for a period, etc. I couldn't switch to another device that didn't have at least those features.

I'm a current iPhone 3G user who is planning on switching back to the Bold. I think my biggest problem with the iPhone and why I'm switching back is that while it's a great device, it just isn't finished yet. I'm tired of wondering if Apple will make something like copy/paste a priority. The lack of background processes means no real IM until they set up their PUSH system in September. I have no idea how or how well this will work for notification programs, but I have my doubts considering how terrible MobileMe has been implimented to start.

The App Store has actually been something of a disappointment as far as I'm concerned. Way too much crap to wade through to get to the few gems in there, and the gems themselves aren't that fantastic. Again, the lack of background processes running means To Do programs can't remind you when something is due, thus limiting their effectiveness. The games I don't care about at all.

This is not to crap all over the device. It is a fantastic device. THe possibilities are limitless and one day it's going to be the best mobile computing platform on the market - I have absolutely no doubt. But it's just not there yet.

So, I'm going to switch back to the Bold for at least the next year (or two.) I miss having real IM clients on my phone, task lists that remind me when a task needs to be done, and a flat out better phone (the 3G is much improved over the first one, but BB's are still better).

Drop your iPhone and break the glass.....$250 spent
Drop your BlackBerry and crack the plastic window.....$20 spent
Drop your pants cuz you don't know how to measure your waist size and wear a belt....PRICELESS

Haha

Battery, battery, battery...
No one at Apple uses tasks.
Battery, battery, battery.

And don't tell me "the 3G BlackBerry will have bad battery life also" as I don't have a Bold. Yet.

Wow, an iPhone fanboi trolling... hmmmm...

How's that mobile.me thing working out for you?
And do you really get "push" email on the iPhone?
How about the White iPhones that are cracking?

And Apple has a long long way to go before it can touch a BB connected to a BES.

Good perspective, different strokes for different folks.

And it does one of the two, it does the space twice for period but if you hold the letter button it opens up the international version of that letter if there is one or it does nothing.

NJ, I hear you about the battery i see that complaint alot. I do think they know that and will continue with updates to go after that one.

And BlackBerry gets the title of crackberry

Excuse my noobness but I also have both devices. I've had blackberries for a long time. To me just compare the first generation BB 850 in relation to its competition. Pretty standard two way text pager. Really it was nothing special. Compare that to Apple's first device, again in relation to current competition. As a previous poster put it, it isn't finished yet, but when it is, they have the potential of taking over. You see RIM only has one specialty in its business. Apple as seen in that keynote address has three. And they are focusing heavily on the iPhone and attempting to knock RIM off its perch as #1. In other words they are using the majority of their resources from the other two arms to fund iPhone R&D and sales. RIM is a one trick pony. (smart phones)

For me by far the better device is my curve. I have every feature imaginable on it that I would need. But as the 3rd party stuff on the iPhone has improved, I noticed that my curve's use time has decreased a decent amount.

The only way iPhone will go down is if Apple beats itself.

RIM is a "one trick pony"? Is that supposed to be bad?

And you can't compare RIM's first device to Apple's first device considering Apple introduce their first phone in 2007...way after the cell phone market matured. And Apple still didn't get it right. They forgot copy/paste, MMS, and a few other "standard/proven" features on most basic phones.

RIM came in and did email waaaaaaay before anyone else and didn't have a name like "Apple" (other than the fruit reference). Blackberry was built on performance and reliability not fancy marketing and coolness. Blackberry filled a void in the market whereas Apple is selling to mostly non-smartphone users.

Really, how many iPhone buyers are previous smartphone users?

I'm considering an iPhone (or Bold). Tell me something: to get email pushed from different POP accounts on the iPhone do you have to have your pc running (tell me no please)? And tell me it just all shows up in messages and that I don't have to look at the different email accounts one at a time. An iPhone will alert you for a scheduled appointment on the screen right? I set my appointments right from the phone, I don't care about it synching from a pc. Can you shut it off at night and get an alarm in the morning? Finally, can you have MSN open/running and get notified when an IM message comes in while you're doing something else? Thanks in advance.........

From my own experience, you do not need to have a PC turned on just to receive messages via your iPhone or a BlackBerry. Now, here are the things that the BlackBerry can do that I don't know if the iPhone can:

• Show all your messages from all your email accounts under "Messages"
• Alert you of a scheduled appointment on the screen
• Set appointments on the device itself without syncing
• Turn off, then turn back on when an alarm goes off
• MSN (Windows Live Messenger) can be in the background and will alert you of a message

As a matter of fact, I don't know if the iPhone even supports MSN / Windows Live Messenger.

iphone:
Cannot show messages in single folder -- they are seperated into accounts and number of new email is highlighted.
Can Alert you on the screen to appointment.
Can set appointment on the device without syncing.
Cannot as far as I know turn off then awaken for alarm.
IM in the background will be running a little differently but by Sept. Apple has promised to have this function working. So no for now but coming.
Apple has 3rd party apps for IM as of now and MSN is included as well as all the others on those apps.