Hi all,

I was just reading about apples "updates to the iphone" and it seems as if they are all already on the storm.

No multimedia messaging? No cut and paste and no horizontal view?

While I think the storm needs an update of its own to resolve some bugs, I think it is a solid device..

I dont see how the iphone is superior at all..
even with the app store..it doesnt appear to be superior really in any way..
many feel its the wifi..
honestly, I get 3G almost anywhere I go and its fast enough for me to do what I need..I would likely not evne use wifi and forget it on and drain my battery..

just food for thought...apples updates are all already on the storm

Ive had my storm now for about 2 months. This is my first BB, but have used the xv6700 and motorola q. Half my office is using the iPhone, Im the only one using a BB. Sure, I wish the storm ui was as smooth as the iPhone... but i can say that i definitely have no plans to ever switch.
The iPhone guys are very quick to poke fun of me and my BB in a meeting, I just laugh it off, as I respond to my corp emails, IM, and browse viigo. I dont feel superior, just more productive. My new favorite phrase is 'yeah, i have already taken care of that' while they go back to their desks and tether themselves to their laptops.

granted I do think the storm is buddy probably because they rushed it out for the holiday rush, but its not that bad..I think alot depends on when you got it and the luck of the draw..
mine has been 90% good thus far..
reboots sometimes, or the screen doesnt rotate like ti should sometimes but its rare..

I thought the iphone already had the feature of the storm like cut and paste and horitzontal view..
wow..
I do think the iphone app store is cool and the phone is more responsive..but once bb /vzw decided to release the system update, the storm could take a HUGE step forward..afterall I tink the hardware is solid but hardware can be as solid as a rock, if the software running it is buggy its going to hidner its performance..

I dont think apple will ever compete with bb as far as productivity or business..
the rest, like entertainment, I think they are both neck and neck with the exception that the bb app store needed to be done already..bb dropped the ball on that...

Moving to the "BlackBerry Versus" forum.

best thing u can do is just let them be....(dumb, that is)....

in the last 5 or 6 years apple has become some kind of 'fad' and 'jewelery' for people like them to drool over...every time i look at a new Apple device, can't help but grin at how obsessed they are with their appearance

Best thing you can do is to stop comparing an apple to a berry. Just because you favor one over the other shouldn't put you on one side of the fence of the other. If you want to slam the manufacturer, or the device, or the OS... fine... go right ahead.

Do not call me dumb.

i'll compare whatever i want to whatever i want, just as others do so every day on this forum....as i see things from here most come onto this forum to preach the greatness of apple products VS. RIM products, and i'm getting sick and tired of it....

i did not call you dumb in specific, but since you felt you had to respond to my comment, then you belong buddy !!

yet another "apple sucks" thread... hardly think most people come here to preach how great apple is, there are plenty of sites to do that. Most people here are BB fans and have questions so they come here.

First, I'm not your buddy, and second, keep your personal attacks to yourself, as they are not welcome here. I responded on behalf of all the people you injured with your thoughtless comment.

neither are your comments, so clam-IT....

it took as much thought to come up with my thoughtless comment as did yours...

Don't make me pull this car over

Let's agree to disagree and get this thread back on topic

You say potato, I say Meh...

ON topic, I do believe that the recent announcement was warranted, in that there was a lot to communicate to the software developers. This was as much for them as for the general population at large, if not more so. It allowed Apple to provide a pre-release OS SDK to those that wish to code for the new release.

It's the media that chooses to make a big deal out of it. Nobody is forcing them to cover it so widely are they?

I guess you really don't know Apple that well do you. If Steve Jobs wants the business customer, then he will have them. Apple, for the time being, is concentrating in the more lucrative consumer market. That could change at the drop of a hat. And don't even make me laugh that the Strom is neck and neck with the iphone in the multimedia arena. The iphone browser is light years ahead of anything on the market today.

By definition 5 or 6 years, which is a bit short in my opinion as this apple craze has gone on for longer than that, is not a fad as a fad is over a short period of time. Picky I know but true.

Poking fun is jsut that fun. Really comes down to personal preference. You can, for the most part, do whatever you want on each device. Some functions do work better on the iPhone while others work better on a BB (Storm or another BB device)

For context, I am a BlackBerry addict. But I also think I'm pretty objective.

So here goes...

When the iPhone came out, I tried it and was frustrated (mostly over typing).

Then I got a Storm and was even more frustrated (typing, bugs, clunky, highly unproductive device).

Then I tried an iPhone at the Apple Store the other day for about 20 minutes...

The iPhone is **so** polished. What it can do, it does REALLY well, especially compared to the Storm (granted, the iPhone's missing some important functions).

The Storm is unfortunately downright clunky in comparison.

The iPhone feels natural. The Storm feels like a kluge.

I wish we could have iPhone interface implementation, Storm screen, Blackberry functionality, and a keyboard, all in one device, on Verizon's excellent EVDO service...

(one can dream, right?)

By the way, I just returned my Storm today and have gone back to my 8703e and couldn't be happier.

I'm waiting for a Niagara!

I just came from a iphone yesterday. Its pretty cool except the fact that its a tracker in ur sim card they give u....nothin beats a blackberry tho.

The iphone 3.0 is gonna be a flop watch

I feel yea i used to have the storm unlocked and after 3 weeks i sold it and used my iphone to play with while on a day to day i used my curve. i feel that blackberry dropped the ball on the storm. i would have prefer that RIM take longer and perfect they OS for the storm then let it out half assed . almost every blackberry i have had 8700,8300,8800,9530,and bold the storm was the worse i feel. the storm makes the iphone looks good to be honest and i hate apple .

That's because it is a kludge. It was thrown together to compete with the iphone. The Blackberry OS is pretty much played out. You will never get the polished experience of the iphone out of it.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

The first part of your post was hard to read because I guess you don't speak English, but it sounds like you are saying there is some kind of tracking device in the iphone sim card??
The sim card for the iphone is the same sim card I have in my BB, so I'm guessing you are mis informed.

Nothing beats a BB is just your opinion, not facts ! But, whatever makes you sleep well at night I suppose ! iPhone 3.0 flopping ?? I highly doubt that !! Apple is releasing everything in 3.0 that the people have been asking for and then some !! I don't recall RIM doing this for the people though... hmm ?!?

why even go there?

And hopefully the new hardware will have everything else we want on the iphone. I'm very excited to see what Apple has in store! And that is coming from a BB user!

Yes, I am looking forward to the release as well....then again, many people are unaware of the capabilities and features once the current platform on the iPhone has to offer once it has been Jailbroken. I have been steadily enjoying such items such as copy & paste, mms, landscape mode throughout, and endless apps and tools. Just can't wait to see what else is going to be released !

I agree with you 100%. I own the iPhone 3G and my GF owns a Javelin. I tried to get her an iPhone with T-Mobile but I'd be pissed if she dropped it and broke it as opposed to a BB. I wouldn't care if she banged it up or throws it in fire for all I care. I've had BB's before (no other choice) and their phones are riddled with software issues. If you get a JVM error yada yada yada you must dedicate an hour of your time to fix your phone. It's annoying.

THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE THAT WILL BEAT THE IPHONE AS OF NOW. POINT BLANK

I'm going to get chewed by all these fan boys on here but whatever. Anyway the new iPhone 3.0 update is going to allow developers to create apps that work with your voice. Think of the possibilities. That's all I'm going to say. I see that RIM is working on their app store. I can't imagine the type of problems this will bring.

FYI. Carriers don't support third party applications on ANY phone. Expect to be bounced around and transferred to different places just to get your Yahoo Messenger working, etc.

I don't know if I would go as far as saying nothing is better then the iphone. I do believe the iphone is the future though. It is basically a small handheld computer. The Blackberry, I'm sorry to say, is really a glorified paging device, with other features bolted on. It has worked for RIM up to this point, but it won't last much longer. Maybe I'll change my mind after RIM opens its Apps store, but as of right now, you can do so much more with the iphone. The iphone the greatest device out there? I don't know, but its near the top for sure.

I totally agree with you!

I got an iPod Touch but bought my daughter a Storm cause she wants it. So i can compare the two easily. My wife also has a Storm but somehow can't get herself into using because she's way too much tied to her iPhone. My wife can't do anything without a touch screen. Previous to the iPhone era, she was depending on various Palms.

Overall, the Storm is ahead of the iPhone in specific areas, such as text entry and multitasking. But I would say overall, especially in the multimedia, entertainment, internet capability especially the browser, developer support, user friendliness, and anything to the sheer frivolous, the iPhone overall wins and still leads any other phone in the market.

And not, not all of Apple's updates are in the Storm. You won't get for example, a native BB or even Win Mo app that allows paying subscriptions for news, messenging, and gaming services within the application. Or lets you network games via Bluetooth so you can have multiple players. This is squarely aimed at Nintendo's DS, the latest version now sports a browser. It seems Apple wants to move into the space---understand there are over 100 million Nintendo DS sold. There are specific features in the OS 3.0 that is intended for biometrics, like in monitoring heart beat and foot steps, since iPods are frequently used with exercising.

The "I use Tools not Toys" argument no longer works here. It is not the Tools market that is growing but the Toy market. Every move Blackberry has made starting from the Curve represents an invasion of space outside the corporate world. RIM is hitting consumers, teeners, housewives, and with it, they're varying the format from tablet touch screen to flip phone. So are the features, which are increasingly multimedia like.

And this strategy is working. Despite the recession, RIM's sales percentages are up. Their market share is also up, calculated at the expense of Nokia's N-series, which are mainly multimedia power houses.

Blackberry has sheer numbers. It recently commemorated the 50th million Blackberry ever sold. Apple has sold over 17 million iPhones, which doesn't seem that much when compared to BB, but that doesn't count another 13 million plus iPod Touches. So you got 30 million of the same Apple platform sold, attained in a much shorter time than Blackberry got its 50 million. Furthermore, all 30 million of these devices all have basically the same hardware architecture which means they run or can run, the same OS level. There is no sub OS variants like those for the 8300 Curve vs. 8900/Bold vs. Storm etc,. The Apple developer only deals with one screen and input type, and doesn't have to develop or test against different display and text entry formats. The monolithic similarity of all iPhones and iPod Touches, first and second generation, is a major blessing for developers. At the same time, Apple, which has loads of cash, can focus resources on basically one platform, not divided it into several, like what RIM and Nokia is doing. And just about everyone else, Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, whoever.

I would say say for both Apple and RIM, this is far from over, and they're going to do their best either to catch up or stay ahead.

iphone is stylist and its gravity is awesome, I liked it..

my thoughts,

i have had a blackberry for over a year (8800 and 8310) and own a mac. I am partial to both products and manufacturers. i used to work for verizon and was celling agaist the iphone, which was hard to do.

what i have come to realize is that people have different needs, and difreent devices meet deifferent needs.

both devices have many similarities. However, for business purposes, especially the ease of email and calendar, the BB is superior. i would rate the BB as 70% business, 30% play. Although, BB does have the app world now which will help with its edge on Apple.

The Iphone, in my opinion, has a superior touch screen to the Storm. And the one item that makes the iphone so much different is the web browsing. The iphone is the only phone thus far to have a desktop grade web browser. no matter what you view on the phone, it is as if i am surfing on the web at home. But, it sint the best for corporate uses as the battery life is not the longest and there is no word/excel/ppt. I would rate the iphone as 50/50. just as much of a business solution as a personal media device. thus making more ideal for the average consumer.

I think someone else stated the iphone wasnt geared for the corporate user, and i agree. It didnt even support an exchange server until a software update, obviously thay had to adapt.

Overall, i consider thesew devices to be equally great. if i could, i would own both and carry both.

BTW Yay for BB APPS!! i suggest i heart radio, and VLingo. both are awesome.

I agree....but two numbers will take care of most if not all your business needs when released ... 3.0 !!!!

Well written

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For the record, the BB still doesn't support an Exchange Server. Not unless you deploy a costly BES. The iphone supports Exchange right out of the box with NO added expense.

I actually think the storm looks moe proffesional tha the iphone, i like the looks of the storm a lot better. I went to the storm from an iphone 3g and ill never go back

LOL !! You should know better than that now !?! You know you should never say NEVER !?! BTW, are you seriously basing these two great products in comparison by their looks ???? You must not be doing very much with either of them other than just looking at them I suppose, you'd be astounded what both have to offer !!!

Too bad your post didn't look "moe proffesional"

i have to be honest with you guys as much as i hate the iphone you have to say that i phone is in a class of its own, that blackberry can not match. Apple has mad an OS that is so easy to use that anyone can use it old or young. the Ipone is great if your not doing alot of of serious business work where time might be a major issue. the iphone kills blackberry in the movie playback and music, anything else well i have to say thats where Blackberry takes over.
i feel that if blackberry comes out with a same idea as the iphone OS wise they can kill the iphone with no real effort. the storm I and II would have been or will be great phones only and only if the OS is great. the main reason i sold my storm was the OS was not doing the job as smooth as the 9000,8800,8300,8700 i feel even the 8700 was better then the storm thats with the storm OS upgrades.
so bottem line is each phone has its type of customer. the iphone is for the person who does not care if the email is 10 mins late or 15 and the blackberry just a more robust OS where it does the job you need it to do. blackberry should not lose focus on its business/cutomers thats what made them great and still are.

Sorry, but the Blackberry OS is not "more robust" All the "robust" features you speak of could be accomplished on the iphone OS if Apple so desired. And if the BB OS is so "robust" then why is a battery pull required so often.

I have a Bold on BES, and an iPhone on EAS that I use daily. The iphone OS is only as "robust" as it is because Apple has limited it's functionality. When Apple announced 3.0 firmware they flat out stated that they wouldn't implement multitasking due to the unacceptable battery life decrease. As my Bold and iphone get around the same battery life and the Bold multitasks, I consider the excuse bogus. Sure I could jailbreak but I've been there and done that. The iphone became unstable and crashed regularly.

As to the memory leaks on the BB requiring a battery pull, I see the same thing on the Iphone (try Freemem), along with app crashes on a semi regular basis. In fairness, I also see occasional memory leaks on Windows, Solaris, AIX, SuSE, Redhat, and other OS platforms. Happens across all OS platforms. They are tough to debug, especially in embedded systems

Both platforms have their pros and cons. Arguing about which is more robust or better for all users is pointless.

I've seen the iPhone vs BlackBerry conversation everywhere. It's arguably the two most compared phones on the market. It's starting to get to the level of Pepsi vs Coke.

So, if the community would allow; here is my $0.02.

You want an iPhone if... you are a CONSUMER. This means you want a cool phone, that has thousands of apps to do pretty much anything. You want a phone that can game, but also track your gas milage and tell you what song is playing on the radio. Graphics and picture taking and sharing is important to you. Not to mention you want to have the latest "in-thing" and not to mention the possibly greatest MP3 player to be found on a phone.

You want a BlackBerry if... You are a BUSINESS person. Email is of the highest priority and non-stop, instant communication is paramount to your business and/or life. You want an accurate, tactile keyboard that is less susceptible to errors and you can send quick messages to anyone, anywhere. anytime. You want to edit documents on the go and want/need to be connected to your office at anytime. The fact that your phone takes pictures and movies is a bonus.

In the end, it boils down to this. iPhone is a great device for MOST people. The average person who just needs it for phone, text but wants to have a lot of media on their phone and wants their phone to do a little bit of everything in everyday life. BlackBerrys are corporate/business kings. No one can beat them when it comes to email or instant communication and networking.

To me, they are two different devices. One for Consumers, one for Business users. All it comes down to is which one are you? Now I'm not saying that average people won't like BlackBerrys. I'm just saying you have to know where your priorities are. Its really a simple decision. Just think about it, and you'll know.

Very well put ! An excellent view point I must say !!