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Old 03-08-2012, 09:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Yes, the new iPad looks like to have a wicked screen, but I think the playbook is better cos :-

7" Form Factor - fits nicely into my works jacket

A true Multi-Tasking OS - Not the half hap hasserd on the iPad

Integration with the BB Phones - How does the iPad integrate with the iPhone???

Browser - True HTML 5 support unlike the iPad - and studies to back this up.

PIM Features - Best in Class.

Now the iPad has better hardware (As you would expect) but nowadays itís all about software, and personally I think the Playbook wins hands down in this regard. The only thing the iPad has over the Playbook is the ecosystem for buying Movies/Music is better.

Yes it has more apps, but in general the apps for the Playbook are better in my personal opinion.

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I am a Apple Tech by trade, Small Business Server Specialist as well. I work for an IT Support company based in Manchester, UK.

I have had iPhones, Android phones, Still have an Xoom Tablet and the BB Curve 9360 and BB Playbook.

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And another one: AFAIK, the new iPad still only has mono speakers - no stereo!
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What does "cos" mean?
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I have email, calendar, contacts, a browser and apps I need on my iPad. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start.

That is why it is better for me.
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I have already ordered the iPad3 to replace my original iPad.
Having a limitless number of applications, including Skype, just works for me.
And I don't have to sideload anything. Sigh.
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I have email, calendar, contacts, a browser and apps I need on my iPad. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start.

That is why it is better for me.
I have email, calendar, contacts, a better browser and even included apps I need on PlayBook. Plus it does what I want and did so from the start. It also shows the same emails, calendars and contacts I have other phone without even having to think of or pay for the cloud. It allows me to do my presentations anywhere with HDMI (at 1080p and 3D!) same time I am doing other things, due to multitasking. It saves me money proactively by requiring only one mobile connection and can use it even if your carrier does not let you or you don't pay for the mobile hotshot feature.

I can carry it around (unlike any iPad) and have magnificent screen detail that Apple only brought with its latest iPad3. I don't have to purchase or convert my media files. I can simply copy them over WiFi with existing and standard software. I can view and edit Office files on it without purchasing additional apps. I can send send emails and attach pictures, for example, that are either on my PlayBook or my phone. My PlayBook tells me about stuff happening on my phone. I have Video Chat application that works better than anything I have used before including Skype, with the same people on the same networks, at the same time.

I had access to the fastest, still most reliable and definitely most secure instant messaging available - BBM from the beginning. I can use my phone as a remote control for my PlayBook because my PlayBook is so versatile I need to do things like that.

And if anyone complains that some of this is via the bridge, stop and think again. That exactly is one marvelous feature and not a shortcoming by any measure. Now that I have "native email" everyone was eager to get, with all its beauty, I still use the bridge... Perhaps I am oldfashioned in that respect but I get my emails and pay for them once and my replies are available everywhere.

PlayBook has the best architects OS enabling best apps to work better than on other OSes, including non-tablet. Ask Citrix guys, for example.

So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning, event without the new stuff in OS 2.0 I just scratched. iPad 3 specs catch-up thing included.
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So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning, event without the new stuff in OS 2.0...
So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.
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Yes - it is always convenient to have to bridge to an existing BlackBerry and have no applications from the beginning..

My iPad3 arrives tomorrow. Native e-mail, contacts and calendar out of the box. A "few" more applications than the Playbook. And a charging port in the right location so that it doesn't get covered by the one case that I could buy.
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I need to hold off buying my new iPad or my wife is going to kill me. I have an original and a iPad 2 right now. And as far as presentations, I just use our Epson projector and do everything wirelessly on my iPad or iPhone.
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So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.
Do not twist my words to justify lack of knowing what is actually in there. That is not what I said. What I did say is that what PlayBook did have from v1 (and it did give me faster access to email/PIM than any other tablet) was and continues to be better for me.

In the BlackBerry ecosystem this works really well. I get instant email message delivery with significant data traffic savings while still having the easiest way to access content on both my phone and tablet.

I'll just illustrate few examples:

1. Email is sent you you with few large attachments. In BB world these get delivered to you over the air only once and are then shared between the tablet and the phone. Not twice - once to each device, not to mention that I don't need a second data plan either.

2. If you send an email from your tablet, do you see a copy of it on your phone (or vice versa)? How does it get there?

3. You want to send a picture, for example, from the convenience of your tablet, but it is the picture that you took with your phone. I just attach the picture from the phone - communication only happens via Bluetooth between the two devices, no mobile network, extra data plans and traffic, no need for cloud and slowdowns it introduces.

In the end, this is a BlackBerry forum for those who either "get it" or "want to get it". If you are neither, please don't post misinformation because you didn't care about getting informed in the first place.

As for 2.0, it adds more, including the native email with extraordinary functionality of its own. And that runs on the original PlayBook as well - no need to siphon more money into incremental hardware enhancements.
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Gee, it's great to have a new expert here on a BlackBerry Forum (with two posts) who gets it.

I guess I don't "get it".

Unfortunately, the market doesn't get it either, as the PlayBook is a major cause for RIM's decline in the last year. They got distracted from their core business.

2.0 adds ActiveSync capability. Nothing more. I do get it.
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Do not twist my words to justify lack of knowing what is actually in there. That is not what I said
Yes, it is what you said. I actually quoted you directly.



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In the end, this is a BlackBerry forum for those who either "get it" or "want to get it". If you are neither, please don't post misinformation because you didn't care about getting informed in the first place.

As for 2.0, it adds more, including the native email with extraordinary functionality of its own. And that runs on the original PlayBook as well - no need to siphon more money into incremental hardware enhancements.
I don't know if you have noticed my join date or post count, but I have been here nearly 5 years longer than you and have a couple more (and more informative) posts than you. On top of that, I manage my company's entire mobile environment, which includes BlackBerry devices of all models, iPhones, Android's, Windows Mobile devices, all shapes and sizes of tablets, etc. So, to say I am not informed is probably the most ignorant comment I have seen on these forums in quiet a while.

Now to rebuttal your points. I can put iOS 5 on my iPad2, I didn't have to buy new hardware. I can sync pics I took with my iPhone to my iPad with iCloud. What slowdown does the cloud introduce? Just for your knowledge, you pair via Bluetooth. Bluetooth data transfer speeds max out at about 2.1 Mbits/sec, HSPA+ can peak data rates at 56 Mbits/sec. That is 28 times faster. So I would say uploading a pic to the cloud and back down to my iPad, would be a lot quicker than your limited Bluetooth connection. I don't have to have an extra data plan, I could just use WiFi if I wanted. But I have the option of using 3G or 4G on the iPad 3. An option that doesn't exist with the Playbook. I am glad the Playbook works for you, but to say that with OS1 it is "the best tablet from the beginning" is plain ignorant as well.
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Yes, it is what you said. I actually quoted you directly.
I said many things and concluded with:

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So, for me, PlayBook is the best tablet of all from the beginning...
I stand by that, for all the reasons I mentioned and more.

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So no native email or PIM sync makes it the best tablet from the beginning? Because that was added in 2.0.
Number of posts is a measure of one's activity on the forum, nothing else. This is not about you or me, so no point in weighing our expertise (don't be sure you'd win). I presented and stand by my arguments - they can be easily verified by anyone interested to find out. You haven't responded with your thoughts as to which tablet suits which purpose or with any counterarguments, but have rather restored to defensive distortiots . That is why I don't like getting involved in forums, and perhaps this has been a mistake on my part.

So my last post here, for those interested in actual devices... If you aree evaluating tablets for whatever purpose, do not be blinded by statements made by those saying that "others can't do something". That is pointless. Nobody can tell you what you can't do - maybe the just didn't even try.

Re HSPA+, iCloud and other stuff - that is exactly what I was talking about. Yes, I use Bluetooth. One hop. Local. With less interference from others. I don't need multiple trips, multiple data plans and data stored elsewhere. It is immediate, without data duplication and latencies. And, most of the time, I don't need to transfer anything really at all, but I'll leave you to think about it. Before talking about speeds, measure them first, learn about what latency is and think about how much needs to be communicated as well - this is something BlackBerries are different from others, too - they are more efficient. Then actually truly try a PlayBook and a BlackBerry pair for a couple of days to see what it is about. If you don't you have no right to speak what they can or cannot do.

It serves little purpose speaking of what was there from beginning and what was not. Yes, right, native email wasn't there. But email was - and in a form still better for me, many others and, perhaps you. We can talk about what other devices didn't have from the beginning and still don't have but that is pointless too. I'll just mention a few to satisfy the hunger of some - cameras, high dot pitch screen, proper multitasking letting your device do, say a presentation, remote computer access and document editing at the same time, flash support without someone lying to you that not having these is good for you (that is Apple trademark, not mine, in case you are wondering).

As for presentations, I don't need to carry a "wireless projector" everywhere I go (oddly enough I think there is a power cord needed for it (I guess "cord" with the entire projector attached to it does not count as a "wire"). Just a standard HDMI cable, for 3D 1080p video. And if I forget it, I can get it anywhere... BTW, just came back from the park where I recorded some 1080p videos of my children using the PlayBook from my jacket's pocket (front *and* back cameras) and played them in full quality on my 50" plasma TV.

I'll sum up my perspective this way...

If you tend to need a tablet only while on the couch and not while on the move, you don't have a BlackBerry, don't care about 1080p playback on standard equipment or ease of media transfer, and you are fine spending more money on data, think iPad or Android (Android is better in a number of respects here).

On the other hand, if you want to carry it and use it on the move, you care about cameras and media you already have, you want to not spend money on multiple data plans but spend it on better things (say fun), want most natural gestures of any platform, then by all means get a PlayBook + a BlackBerry phone. This pair does everything others do and more.

As for the number of apps - if that is what you are after, get one of the keyboardless touch screen Windows boxes. They have more apps than all BlackBerry, Android and iOS devices combined.

See - you can't cut it just one way. Don't work in reverse by finding justifications why everyone should like your purchase. One needs to choose based on his/her specific needs and when you realize that, you will realize that Apple (or any other product) is very far from ideal of any kind.

To even out some other comments to, I'll finish on this one, a woefully ignorant and oversimplified observation to match that poster's (so don't take this too seriously): "iPad3 is all about catching up with screen pixel density and to be just able to control additional pixels them they had to throw in more some CPU power and bigger battery. That's all. Still lagging on other fronts."

Think for yourselves and enjoy!
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Wow. What a self absorbed schmuck.
Feel free to report me to the Moderators.

I am very happy that you like the PlayBook. Apple will sell more iPad 3s today than RIM will sell in total. The PlayBook was an overpriced niche device. It failed. And your perspective (which is just an overinflated opinion) can't change that.
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"The new iPad".
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The iPad just works, plain and simple. No hooking it up to a 3rd party server (BES) and it's allowed me to leave my laptops in the bag. It doesn't matter that I have a Wifi only iPad 2 because I'd need WiFi for my laptop to connect to the internet so I could VPN in to fix any issues anyhow so carrying my iPad around is just easier. Most times my wife puts it in her purse when we're out in case I need it. All the apps that I need for work related functions were free. I won a Playbook and gave it to a friend of mine who hated it after a week, he traded it for an iPad and loves using that better because it just works.
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The iPad just works, plain and simple. No hooking it up to a 3rd party server (BES) and it's allowed me to leave my laptops in the bag. It doesn't matter that I have a Wifi only iPad 2 because I'd need WiFi for my laptop to connect to the internet so I could VPN in to fix any issues anyhow so carrying my iPad around is just easier. Most times my wife puts it in her purse when we're out in case I need it. All the apps that I need for work related functions were free. I won a Playbook and gave it to a friend of mine who hated it after a week, he traded it for an iPad and loves using that better because it just works.

PlayBook also just works, plain and simple. It does not need to be hooked up to BES - in fact you could not even do it initially (before OS 2.0), and BES is not 3rd party but RIM's own, for enterprise customers. And while we can certainly appreciate that wives carrying large purses are useful, one does not need those with PlayBooks. I stopped using (let alone carrying) my personal notebook since I got myself a PlayBook. All the apps that I need to work related functions on PlayBook were free. I was offered an iPad 2 as a part of promotion (with another purchase) and declined it, negotiated and got a PlayBook. I know of a number of people who have both PlayBooks and iPads and swear by their PlayBooks. Some of them keep iPads because they are in a Mac ecosystem, which I am not.
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