I figured with the most recent OS upgrade to the BB 7520, I would give bluetooth connectivity with my laptop a try.

I bought a Bluetooth adapter for my laptop and installed the software. It finds my Blackberry, and my Blackberry finds my laptop. It scans my Blackberry for available services and finds a "Voice Gateway", however it won't connect to it.

I look on my BB and find that my laptop is listed there, and I viewed the properties, and the properties say "Bluetooth Serial port". I tried to add that on the software, and it says that my phone doesn't support it... Odd huh?

Anyway - I am just seeing if I had more luck then anyone else did previously with the older OS.

bb don't support data transfer i'm going to buy a treo now

Yawn... Enjoy your Treo, make sure your familiar with the reset you'll be using it daily.

AMEN finch amen

That's why Handspring made the Treo stylus with a reset tool that you could use, instead of using a paper clip.

well you maybe right, but it supports data transfer which blackberry don't. great phone but that its major fault.

Hmmm...unbeatable email device with a stable OS, a great phone (IMO), superb PIM functions, and a great keyboard.

Or......

The ability to transfer your data without having to reach for a wire......

Tough one that

The ability to transfer your data and compromise the entire security of the device....

While I know security is an issue, RIM should really try to impliment this while maintaining security. I am quite certain this can be achieved, AND it really should be looked into.

Milk I dont see it happening brother its been discussed here so many times both sides make great arguments..

those who are saying a treo is better is just a laugh take your sticks and go home.

I used a treo once, but the string between both paper cups broke!!!

I was looking into the data transfer as well, it's a real shame they don't have this - could really help me out on the long train rides :-\

I dont see why RIM has to do this for you, there are other options out there. That is the beauty of choice in the world. If security is not an issue enjoy a Treo or a PPC.

pink

I don't go for the whole 'If you like security, then you don't want Bluetooth wireless data transfer'. I am quite capable of understanding the risks involved with Bluetooth transfer, and I completely understand how to protect myself. I don't like the idea of BB saying NO, because you may get hacked. What next? Will HP - IBM - DELL not allow networking any more because your PC may be hacked?

The answer to this is very simple. Put the wireless ability in place, put security in place, and DEFAULT IT to the ON setting (the security). If you disable it, that is your fault.

Don't punish me because of moronic users.

Because the majority of RIMs main contracts are the Government and large corporation they are going to give them what they need not the general user. So you arent being punished by moronic users you are being swept under the table by the corporate world and government they are the ones who decide whats on these things not the little man so wemight as well live with it or buy a treo

I think the BBs feature set is also decided upon by the carrier who sell the thing. Verizon certainly doesn't care about all the great features that Bluetooth has too offer.

I understand this. As a solution off of the top of my newbie head, here is what I would suggest.

Governments and Large corporations don't want Bluetooth compatibility with Laptops/PC's? Fine! Put an option in the BES server policies that allow the admins to DISABLE such a feature. This would be a policy in all of their RIM's, while allowing us general users to use the functionality if we so choose.

It doesn't take a lot of imagination to make everyone happy in this particular instance. I just wish RIM would see that.

well you need to think like a corporation wht spend the extra money to make a few people happy when you can not do it and people will still buy your product because its the best

I too am a little frustrated by the lack of BT data transfer support. I like my BB7290 and think it is elegantly simple, but I long for a few of the features I enjoyed from my iPAQ.

What I am actually surprised about is that no one has figured out how to hack the process to emulate a serial connection. With all of this hacking of PSP's and iPods and such, I would think this would be up there on the list.

Oh well...

Here's something for all you friggin whiners... *nothing* RIM has done limits you from using data transfer to and from your blackberry (ok.. there may be a few little things). I recently wrote a program, that stores some data in persistent storage on the blackberry, I opened up a BT serial connection and made a connection to my laptop. I can now update the information on my blackberry from the stored information on the computer I have.

If I can convince the company I wrote this for to let me share some of the source code, I will make it available here, if not, I will spin up something simular later when I have some time and post it here.

So to make a long story short, you can do it, it's just that nobody has written the software to do it yet. For all you whiners, learn a bit of java and write what you want. There is nothing stopping you, not even moronic users.

cd.

This is probably the most ridiculous post I have ever seen in my life...

You know, there are some programs I would like for my PC, should I learn C++ and program myself?

I would love for the computer in my car to interface with my laptop, and automatically do health checks. Should I learn how the computer in my car works, and build something to interface with my laptop, AND make the program to understand the interface?


I would love to be able to understand and do a lot of things myself, however I just don't have the time to learn EVERYTHING there is to know about the things I want to accomplish. I am sorry we can't all be as well versed as you in Java, but we are simply expressing displeasure in the company that makes the device for not putting the functionality in the software themselves.

Please try not to be so one sided when making a post like that. There really is no need for it.

Milk forgive corey we have beaten this horse to death in many many threads and those of us who have been around a while just get tired of hearing same old BS every few weeks. I mean this thread is probally one of atleast 35 since I have been here

Dawg,

Well said. I added my two cents to this thread in the hopes that someone may have come across this hack recently.

I can imagine that this and other topics I have seen in the forum could easily get tedious with repitition.

Thanks,

I know new users want the latest and greatest things but man everydevice isnt going to have everything you want on it. I would love to use my 7520 as a modem as well but I can guarantee nextel will never allow it since they just released their new modem cards. its up to each carrier to give you access to the modem feature. I mean Nextel has ultimate control over what I use anyway.

At the risk of being flamed by some posters here I think the issue the original poster had was the fact that he had bought a Bluetooth adaptor so he could connect to his Bluetooth BlackBerry. Not unreasonable I would have thought. It seems that RIM have decided not to fully implemenrt Bluetooth for security reasons. This does not only effect transferring data between a laptop and the BlackBerry. Our company bought new Bluetooth car Kits to connect to our new Bluetooth BlackBerrys but we are unable to fully utilise the functions on the car kit because RIM have chosen to disable the ability to comunicate fully with Bluetooth. (we are unable to transfer contacts to the car kit and therefore use voice tags etc) The function is there, let us decide if we want to enable it. Is this unreasonable?

I upgraded to a 7290 last winter because I (incorrectly) thought I could use its Bluetooth with my Bluetooth car phone to upload telephone directories etc. I had been able to do this with an ordinary (Sony Ericcson 610) Bluetooth cell phone. Then I tried to let the Blackberry work with the numbers uploaded by the Sony. That didn't work with the pause and other special codes uploaded from the Sony to check office voice mail. So I have to use the Blackberry's directory to dial from (including speed dial) when wanting to use the car speaker.

Since this is a software issue, RIM could easily support both its government market/users and its non-government users by offering either two different versions of the product or providing the government/large corporation with the ability to disable thos functions they deemed too risky via enforced policies sent to the device. The security issue seems like overblown BS to me.

I am not being one sided at all. People come here and complain all day long that this doesn't work, and this isn't available. Did they ever think to research the product before they bought it? Like OMG! I can't run Symbian apps on my Nokia 3220??? WTF? it's Nokia... come on.

People should do a little bit more research as opposed to just assuming things. I don't know how long or how many threads have been on here regarding this exact issue.

Your expressing displeasure in RIM is the wrong target. RIM has the BT module wide open. WIDE OPEN for the 500th time. Does nobody ever read anything on here? Are you all such selective readers that you have missed me and others say this in every thread regarding BT and other data?

The whole issue here is that there is no software written for transfering data, not that the device doesn't support it. RIM will not support it, but the device can have software written that will let you do it. People never seem to quite get this through their friggin heads.

You think that me telling you to learn and write your own software is ridiculous? That is the laziest thing I have ever heard... If you want something, do it your friggin self! Don't whine and complain about stuff when there is nothing stopping you from doing it yourself. Are people so lazy that they just expect everyone else to do everything for them? It's people like you that make me not want to share anything I have written with people. You are a leech... gimme gimme gimme. That's it. Get off your ass and do something for yourself for once. If you can't do it yourself, pay someone else to do it. That's the way the world works... well the real world... I don't know what world you are living in.

cd.

You aren't being one sided? How about you walk a mile in my shoes sir?

I have 2 jobs, I have a family, I have a lot of things going on EVERY SINGLE day of my life, and I simply just don't have the time to learn this. Not because I am lazy, but simply because I don't have the time that you obviously have. Not one sided?

Also, as far as being a leech you are wrong. For instance although I am new to this forum, I have helped a few people with BB questions. What did I get out of it? Nothing... It is all about a community, which I am happy to help when I can.

A couple of other things:

I did the research and knew this ahead of time (just as my original post suggests, I was checking if they did anything with the newest update). And WE are selective readers?
Quite frankly, yes I do. We are not talking about something that is UBER customized for ME. We are talking about a simple function that should be available by default. Now, if I wanted it so that when I pressed 4 specific buttons on my BB, it would play a song, turn lights on in my house, change the channel on my TV and start the coffee maker - I would COMPLETELY agree with you. Design it myself or pay someone else to do it.

The simple fact is that we aren't talking about something that is so far out there that it is extremely custom. Our displeasure is with the fact that a fundamental function that SHOULD be there, isn't.

lol

As a fellow GATOR I have to agree with milkman. As I recall, to get access to the serial Bluetooth software requires a developer to obtain a special encryption key from RIM and those not only cost money, they are difficult to obtain. I don't believe every joe on this forum can just send RIM an email and say I want to write a Bluetooth serial profile, could you send me the key to unlock the capability?

A few developers have gotten access, or tried, namely those developing a GPS interface and the keyboard interface but it appears to be limited and difficult. Outfits like WIDCOM would probably write the profiles and sell them if RIM would allow it.

yaya cry me a river... I don't care if you don't have any time, which is BS because you apparently have enough time to post on here and help other people out as you say.

About walking a mile in your shoes... I work 7 days a week, I have a full time job, plus I own a few small companies, plus I do a lot of freelance coding, plus I have a family (#3 is due in a couple of weeks). I still have time to spend time with my kids, I have time to build my fence and deck and shed. I have time to research things I want to learn about. Don't tell me to walk a mile in your shoes when my life is just as busy as yours... notice how I never post on weekends? I don't have time.

People who say bluetooth data transfer is a fundamental function don't know what they are talking about, bluetooth has never been an industry standard and if it wasn't for cell phones would never be anywhere close to what it is. Bluetooth is still a crap technology. People seem to forget what the blackberry was and is. It's for communicating on the go, period. It's not a palm, nor was it ever intended to be. It's developed purely with RIM's largest customers influencing the design and features. That's just the way it is... I bet you take a chevette to a mud bog and wonder why there is no option from chev for 35" tires for it.

barjohn, to get a signing key from RIM is to fill out one small form, nothing complicated, and pay $100. The reason behind this is quite evident, they don't want just anybody having access to you PIM. By signing apps, RIM can then follow back through to the signer if something goes wrong. There are no restrictions on who can get a signing key. The only place where there are restrictions is when trying to get crypto access.

Either way... people should stop *****ing, stop assuming, do some research and learn to do things themselves. No more handouts. If you don't like the security oriented nature of the blackberry, get a treo. Simple as that, stop whining and get something else.

cd.

Well, I am not going to continue this discussion. It has gone from a somewhat intelligent discussion to a very negative discussion (evident by your overuse of the word whining). It is clear that you are very negative person, and no extent of discussion will help you understand our position. Thanks for your replys.

Sure... I am a very negative person, but when I want something that doesn't exist, I build it for myself. If I don't have the time or skills, I pay someone else to build it. If I can't afford to pay someone else to build it, I live without it. But I *never* complain about it.

Maybe that fact that nothing in the added feature list of the new handheld OS specified the addition of BT data transfer software would lead someone to believe that it most likely doesn't have anything new with regards to this. Common sense, something that eludes some people these days.

You call me negative, but I live in the real world. You have no idea who I am and how I am. When people like you make the 58th post complaining about the same thing that has been discussed fully 57 other times, how do you expect to get treated? Think about it.

cd.

I love these threads they just crack me up.

I love them too... after 8 or 9 seperate threads from people whining about the same thing, I have my whole argument down to a tee.

Can someone please point me to this list? When I downloaded the new OS, there was no patch notes at all.

Thanks

I am still looking for someone to point me in the direction of the update notes. I would like to see what was fixed in this update.

Thanks

you wont get any because they dont exist