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Default Using Blackberry Pearl 8100 as a bluetooth modem under vista - explained - 04-18-2007, 01:28 PM

I have searched thru this forum and read a whole bunch of threads on how to set up BB tethering and most of them are very informative. But all the threads I read said that it is not possible to set up bb as a bluetooth modem yet (maybe they were old?)

* I apologize if there is another thread on this, i just could not find one *

Anyway, it is possible. I'll try to explain how.

1. First, set up pairing between your PC (or laptop) and your BB:
Right-click on the bluetooth icon on the taskbar->Open Bluetooth settings->Add...->read instructions and set up a password if you want.
Then look at your phone, it should ask you if you allow this connections, (and for the password.)

2. Make sure you have the latest BlackBerry Desktop Manager (4.2 SP1 as of the time this was written.)
Start it up, go to options -> connection settings, check "Enable bluetooth support," click on configure bluetooth -> add... and add your device.
Then click ok, make sure your phone has bluetooth on.
Your desktop manager should be now "connected" with the BB.

3. Go back to the windows bluetooth settings (step 1.)
Select the device, click Properties -> Services and put a checkmark on "Dial-Up Networking." Windows should be installing the drivers for the BT modem now automatically.


4. Go to Control Panel -> Hardware and Sound -> Phone and Modem options -> Modems, select the Bluetooth modem, click on Properties, then click on "Change settings", wait for the annoying popup, click Allow. Go to Advanced and put this in the field:

** Provider specific from here on ***

+cgdcont=1,"IP","wap.voicestream.com" (for T-Mobile. Please search other threads for different providers)

5. Set up a Dial-up connection. Go to Control Panel -> Network and Internet -> Network and Sharing Center -> Set up a connection or a network - > Set up a dial-up connection.
Use "Standard modem over Bluetooth link." Phone # for T-mobile is *99#
Username/password are empty.

6. Go back to Control panel -> network and sharing center. Click on "Manage network connections" and right-click->properties on the one that you just created. Click on the modem -> Configure -> Uncheck "Enable hardware flow control" and uncheck "Enable speaker." Click ok.
Go to "Networking Tab", select Internet Protocol Version 4 and click on Properties->Advanced and uncheck "Use IP Header Compression"

7. Dial and it should work.

I'm sorry for the format of the how-to but if you are reading this, you have probably tried doing this thing a few times.
I'll try it under linux this weekend. I hope i get some results.

If you have any questions, reply to this thread, I'll be glad to help out.

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Default 04-18-2007, 08:40 PM

what type of bluetooth adapter are you using, I have a kensington 2.0 and can only get it running with the widcomm drivers, which the desktop manager is not compatable with so the enable bluetooth option is greyed out.
   
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Default 04-18-2007, 09:08 PM

I'm using a dell bluetooth module 355 which uses the widcomm stack. Are you sure you're using Desktop Manager 4.2 SP1?
   
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Default 04-19-2007, 09:15 AM

Very sure, did a clean uninstall of the 4.2 from tmobile.com/bbupgrade and than installed 4.2 sp1 from blackberry.com
   
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Default 04-19-2007, 09:27 AM

I just setup my 8100 Cingular Pearl as a Bluetooth Modem on a Windows 2000 Laptop and didn't even have to install the BB Desktop software. After I paired the phone with the laptop, I just configured the modem init string and edited the Bluetooth Dial-Up Connection that was automatically created when I paired the phone with the laptop. I got abotu 167kb download speed when I ran a test. Bandwidth Speed Test
   
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Default 04-19-2007, 10:47 AM

well the vista bluetooth drivers are whats hanging me up, im also more concerned about syncing over bluetooth than modem
   
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Default 04-19-2007, 01:17 PM

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3. Go back to the windows bluetooth settings (step 1.)
Select the device, click Properties -> Services and put a checkmark on "Dial-Up Networking." Windows should be installing the drivers for the BT modem now automatically.


I do not have a box for dial-up networking as there is no driver to install my 8100 as a peripheral on my computer. When it asks for drivers, I point it to the RIM folder that the desktop manager installs but it does not find a driver.
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Default 04-19-2007, 05:56 PM

My windows is still asking me for drivers. I never installed them. The thing is that you need to have the blackberry desktop manager running and have it saying that it is connected to you phone (via bluetooth.) Once you have that set up, you will see the "dial-up networking checkbox."
   
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well the vista bluetooth drivers are whats hanging me up, im also more concerned about syncing over bluetooth than modem
I never got that issue solved but everything seems to be working fine.
   
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I never got that issue solved but everything seems to be working fine.
Im fine with setting up the blackberry configurations it that the desktop manager s enable bluetooth isalways grayed out
   
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Im fine with setting up the blackberry configurations it that the desktop manager s enable bluetooth isalways grayed out
See maybe it does have something to do with your bluetooth adapter drivers. I would think that the desktop manager uses the windows API to control the bluetooth adapter, but I'm not sure..
   
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Default 04-24-2007, 06:56 PM

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I'm using a dell bluetooth module 355 which uses the widcomm stack. Are you sure you're using Desktop Manager 4.2 SP1?
I also have Dell's 355 and a couple of us are having issues getting it to work with Vista; are you using Vista? If so can you share with us how you were able to get it to work. I'm thinking that there may be more than one part number that Dell re-brands as a 355. Mine is a Broadcomm Model BCM92045MD. Can look at the bottom of your laptop and check to see if you have the same model? If they are different then I'm going back to dell and ask for a new one.

The post with this issue is:

http://www.blackberryforums.com/blue...oth-vista.html

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Default 04-24-2007, 11:42 PM

My Blackberry Pearl is only installing as a headset. When I go to Desktop Manager, it does not let me connect to the phone via blackberry, it says that it cannot find a device. I am stuck!
Running Vista on a Samsung Q1 with Broadcomm driver.
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I also have Dell's 355 and a couple of us are having issues getting it to work with Vista; are you using Vista? If so can you share with us how you were able to get it to work. I'm thinking that there may be more than one part number that Dell re-brands as a 355. Mine is a Broadcomm Model BCM92045MD. Can look at the bottom of your laptop and check to see if you have the same model? If they are different then I'm going back to dell and ask for a new one.

The post with this issue is:

http://www.blackberryforums.com/blue...oth-vista.html

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Mine is exactly the same model - BCM92045MD. I bought it separately like 2 weeks ago.
And yes, I am using Vista with the original drivers from the dell CD that came with my bluetooth module.
It installed without any problems and it is working.
I will remove the drivers today and reinstall everything to see if i have done anything special that i do not remember and I'll post here.
   
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Default 04-25-2007, 10:55 AM

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My Blackberry Pearl is only installing as a headset. When I go to Desktop Manager, it does not let me connect to the phone via blackberry, it says that it cannot find a device. I am stuck!
Running Vista on a Samsung Q1 with Broadcomm driver.
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Do a hard reset on your phone, go back to Desktop Manager and try again. Then watch your phone - it will ask you if you allow the connection. Click Yes. And it should connect.
   
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I also have Dell's 355 and a couple of us are having issues getting it to work with Vista; are you using Vista? If so can you share with us how you were able to get it to work. I'm thinking that there may be more than one part number that Dell re-brands as a 355. Mine is a Broadcomm Model BCM92045MD. Can look at the bottom of your laptop and check to see if you have the same model? If they are different then I'm going back to dell and ask for a new one.

The post with this issue is:

http://www.blackberryforums.com/blue...oth-vista.html

Thanks,

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This is the driver you want to use:

Drivers & Downloads

Network: Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Module (Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR), Driver, Windows Vista 32-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit, Multi Language, Multi System, v.6.0.1.3100&FW216, A00

It's the Vista release. If I put in my service tag (or search by model) to get to the drivers on dell.com, it points me to the wrong version of the 355 - 5.0.* which does not work with vista.
Make sure you install the one above.
   
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Default 04-25-2007, 01:16 PM

Well I can connect via bluetooth using the desktop manager so I will continue with the rest of your instructions. So far so good. Thanks for the help.
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Well I can connect via bluetooth using the desktop manager so I will continue with the rest of your instructions. So far so good. Thanks for the help.
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I hope it works... Keep us posted.
   
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Default 04-25-2007, 02:48 PM

Well on step 3 I do not get the Dial up Networking option. I have headset and 2 others that were aleady checked but since I cannot install the Dial up networking service, I do not get a bluetooth modem when I go to control Panel.
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Well on step 3 I do not get the Dial up Networking option. I have headset and 2 others that were aleady checked but since I cannot install the Dial up networking service, I do not get a bluetooth modem when I go to control Panel.
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You need to have Desktop Manager opened and connected with the phone via bluetooth. Then you should be able to see the "DUN" option.
If you have it, but still does not work, you can do a hard reset on your phone and maybe restart the computer and try again.
   
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Default 04-25-2007, 04:24 PM

I was already connected via bluetooth and the desktp manager was running when I checked. I still got the looking for drivers message so I just think that the right services are not showing up because the I do not have the correct drivers. I point to the Rim folder but no go.
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Default 04-25-2007, 05:28 PM

2 questions? do the cell companies consider this tethering? will their be charges coming as a result of doing this?


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Default 04-25-2007, 06:02 PM

In my case, I had to change my plan to include the tethering package.
I have Cingular and I could not connect with my blackberry unlimited package without adding the tethering.
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2 questions? do the cell companies consider this tethering? will their be charges coming as a result of doing this?
It does not cost extra with t-mobile (just the regular data plan - 19.99.) In fact, I have heard that tech support will help you set it up but that's just a rumor.
   
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In my case, I had to change my plan to include the tethering package.
I have Cingular and I could not connect with my blackberry unlimited package without adding the tethering.
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This is very lame (Cingular).
If I were you, i would have used a 3rd party software to make it work, rather than paying extra every month.
   
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Default 04-25-2007, 08:59 PM

ok cause it works well on my 8800 and just was not sure what to expect from cingular. thanks


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Default 04-26-2007, 08:23 AM

I just need the correct driver to install the BT modem. I have searched all over in the Rim Folder that was installed by Desktop Manager and it is definitely not there. I am not sure where to find it but I will keep looking.
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This is the driver you want to use:

Drivers & Downloads

Network: Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Module (Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR), Driver, Windows Vista 32-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit, Multi Language, Multi System, v.6.0.1.3100&FW216, A00

It's the Vista release. If I put in my service tag (or search by model) to get to the drivers on dell.com, it points me to the wrong version of the 355 - 5.0.* which does not work with vista.
Make sure you install the one above.
Thanks, I'll try this one when I get home tonight!

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Default 04-27-2007, 01:19 PM

I'm having the same problem. I have a brand new dell Latitude (3 days) with the dell 350 bluetooth module and I can't my 8100 to function as a modem using bluetooth. The modem works fine on a USB tether, but I don't have the DUN option for this device in the bluetooth control panel.

Does anyone know why this option would not show up?

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I'm having the same problem. I have a brand new dell Latitude (3 days) with the dell 350 bluetooth module and I can't my 8100 to function as a modem using bluetooth. The modem works fine on a USB tether, but I don't have the DUN option for this device in the bluetooth control panel.

Does anyone know why this option would not show up?

Thanks,

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Are you able to connect the phone with the Desktop Manager via bluetooth at all?
I'm able to see the DUN option only after my phone is connected with the desktop manager.

Also, 350 uses the toshiba stack so there might be some incomplatibility with the drivers. But if you are able to connect it with the desktop manager (via bluetooth,) then everything else should be ok.
   
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Are you able to connect the phone with the Desktop Manager via bluetooth at all?
I'm able to see the DUN option only after my phone is connected with the desktop manager.

Also, 350 uses the toshiba stack so there might be some incompatibility with the drivers. But if you are able to connect it with the desktop manager (via bluetooth,) then everything else should be ok.
I am able to connect to Desktop Manager via bluetooth, but there is no option for DUN in the bluetooth connection settings. Once my phone is connected, I still cannot see the DUN option. I spent an hour on the phone with Dell's wireless dept today, but in the end they said the drivers for this card were not yet fully Vista compatible. It's interesting that they would ship a computer with incompatible hardware.

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I am able to connect to Desktop Manager via bluetooth, but there is no option for DUN in the bluetooth connection settings. Once my phone is connected, I still cannot see the DUN option. I spent an hour on the phone with Dell's wireless dept today, but in the end they said the drivers for this card were not yet fully Vista compatible. It's interesting that they would ship a computer with incompatible hardware.

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These look like the drivers you need to be using:

Drivers & Downloads

They are for Vista.
Also, try restarting everything (incl. your phone) and see if the DUN shows up.
   
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Default Cingular supports tethering at no extra fee - 04-30-2007, 11:33 PM

I just switched from my T-Mobile 8700g to a Cingular Blackberry 8800. I was disappointed at first because on my Vista laptop, the standard modem did not show up even after a clean install of 4.2SP1.

My bluetooth adapter IOGear GBU211 is pretty flakey in Vista. I can sometimes get it to connect and see the dial up networking (by installing the XP drivers), but I can never connect without a long timeout and then a failure to initialize hardware.

I have presently resorted to plugging in via USB. I finally called Cingular 611 just for the heck of it and explained my issue. They told me, as did the person at the Cingular store where I bought the phone that they don't prohibit tethering and there is no extra fee outside of the Blackberry unlimited addon. Cingular support directed me to download the free Cingular Communication Manager. To my surprise it supports Vista and the Blackberry 8800, as well as the 8700.

The connection manager automatically sets up a standard modem device and puts in the init strings, etc. Unfortunately, I am now stuck trying to figure out why I am getting a 718 error while authenticating.

Hopefully someone can help here. However, I though I would mention the connection manager since I didn't know it existed until I called.

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I just switched from my T-Mobile 8700g to a Cingular Blackberry 8800. I was disappointed at first because on my Vista laptop, the standard modem did not show up even after a clean install of 4.2SP1.

My bluetooth adapter IOGear GBU211 is pretty flakey in Vista. I can sometimes get it to connect and see the dial up networking (by installing the XP drivers), but I can never connect without a long timeout and then a failure to initialize hardware.

I have presently resorted to plugging in via USB. I finally called Cingular 611 just for the heck of it and explained my issue. They told me, as did the person at the Cingular store where I bought the phone that they don't prohibit tethering and there is no extra fee outside of the Blackberry unlimited addon. Cingular support directed me to download the free Cingular Communication Manager. To my surprise it supports Vista and the Blackberry 8800, as well as the 8700.

The connection manager automatically sets up a standard modem device and puts in the init strings, etc. Unfortunately, I am now stuck trying to figure out why I am getting a 718 error while authenticating.

Hopefully someone can help here. However, I though I would mention the connection manager since I didn't know it existed until I called.
I was hoping the communication manager would help me but it does not recognize my 8100 as a bluetooth device, usb device or blackberry. I have tried it numerous was with the device manager and no go. I can tell you that I had errors with using the blackberry as a modem trying to connect to cingular until I changed to the blackberry unlimited with the tethering plan. I hope you can get it to work without but I could not. I have read conflicting reports about CS telling people they do not need the tethering package and in fact they did. Let us know.

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Default Still No Bluetooth Tether - 05-03-2007, 11:20 AM

I've searched the forums and still haven't been able to accomplish tethering through the bluetooth connection. DM works flawlessly over Bluetooth, I just can't make the thing tether! In Vista (under device manager) there are two Bluetooth peripherals that cannot find drivers. I believe this is the problem but I haven't been able to find the right drivers anywhere.

I've already install DM 4.2 SP1, the latest OS on my phone (4.2.1.66), and updated my bluetooth driver (Dell 355 +EDR) from the Dell website. I've tried looking into the services under my Blackberry, but it only lists BB Bypass, BB desktop service and headset audio gateway. What else is there to try?

One more thing, I have no problem tether over USB in Vista. The problem is just with Bluetooth. Thanks!


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I've searched the forums and still haven't been able to accomplish tethering through the bluetooth connection. DM works flawlessly over Bluetooth, I just can't make the thing tether! In Vista (under device manager) there are two Bluetooth peripherals that cannot find drivers. I believe this is the problem but I haven't been able to find the right drivers anywhere.

I've already install DM 4.2 SP1, the latest OS on my phone (4.2.1.66), and updated my bluetooth driver (Dell 355 +EDR) from the Dell website. I've tried looking into the services under my Blackberry, but it only lists BB Bypass, BB desktop service and headset audio gateway. What else is there to try?

One more thing, I have no problem tether over USB in Vista. The problem is just with Bluetooth. Thanks!

I am having the same problem with those drivers. 2 peripherals and no drivers.
At least the usb tethering works.
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Default 05-03-2007, 09:06 PM

It's not a phone specific problem either. I have the same problem with my wife's 8100 and my 8700g (/w 4.2.1.66 installed). Anyone out there have ideas?


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Default 05-07-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenal0 View Post
I am having the same problem with those drivers. 2 peripherals and no drivers.
At least the usb tethering works.
Kenal0
Have you found a solution yet? I can't believe that we're the only two people experiencing this problem.


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Default 05-07-2007, 02:56 PM

I have not found a solution yet. Since the tethering with a usb cable works, I have not spent a lot of time in the last few days looking. I hope blackberry comes out with the drivers soon but for now, I am at a loss.
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Default Pearl 8100 Windows vista USB and Bluetooth problem with Dell 355 2.0 EDR - 05-08-2007, 09:33 AM

Hello everyone, I was looking in this forum about Pearl function with Bluetooth or USB as DUN, but as I can see you have almost the problem with it, I also have have the problem with Bluetooth drivers on vista showing only 2 Bluetooth Peripherl device and windows vista cannot recognize them, also on BT device properties it doesn´t show DUN service at all, and can't even get to recognize my BB as a modem under USB, I've searching in other forums and some people can get their BB 8100 to work under USB, but none of them show how to, so, I'm asking if any of you have connected with USB DUN your BB, I'll appreciate it a lot.
   
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