Hi all,

After a couple of phone calls and a lot of experimenting, I found buried deep inside some developer docs a MIME extension that has to be registered in a web server in order for the 7100x to recognise an ADPCM ringtone.

Two conditions apply:

1. The ringtone file must have an extension .adp
2. The adp extension has to be registered in the web server as audio/adpcm - in IIS this is easy to do, just add it on the server options window.

Once I registered this extension, I was able to post some ringtone.adp in the server, and have the BB (7100v in my case) download it, i.e. http://www.my-server.com/ringtone.adp

I have titled the post half solved as I still don't know the correct ADPCM format the ringtone should have. FYI I've tried 11025 and 8000 Hz, 4-bit, but the BB doesn't play them, it just pops. The file seems to load and the player comes up though.

Best regards,

Mother

P.S. with the router problem, is it possible some posts and users have been lost? I've had to re-register on the forum, as it appears that my user account and my posts have gone.

When I click on your link I do not see the ringtone

What is an ADP ringtone? Is it better quality

Thanks

OMG....the my-server.com was only meant to be an example on the URL that can be composed to download a ringtone.

You need access to a web server in which you can register extensions, and a lot of ISPs don't allow this. I run my own server off the DSL line, so I can test all these things.

As for ADPCM ringtones, the are not better or worse, they are a form of compressed wave format, so they don't have the limits that MIDI has (i.e. any sound can be used as a ringtone, not just notes).

Regards,

Mother

nice work figuring out how to get the file over to the phone and the player to come up... the fact that you are hearing static means that you are on the right track... probably just a matter of file specs...

With most phones the specs seem to be 16000hz, 16-bit mono, could you try that and let us know if it works?

Hi all,

I've tried the following combinations: 16000, 11025, 8000 and 4000Hz, at 16-bit mono (IAM ADPCM), and none of the formats have played in the BB. I'm going to try and squeeze some more info from RIM....

Regards,

Mother

What software are you using to encode the ringtones? Is there anything free that will do it? ADPCM doesn't seem to be the most popular codec, and the built-in Windows implementation seems only to want to encode at 4-bit...

Hi,

I use Audition (before I used GoldWave when it wasn't Adobe's). I don't know of freeware editors/converters, I've not really had to use any.

Regards,

Mother

Actually Audition used to be Cool Edit Pro from Syntrillium before Adobe bought them.

Hi,

You are totally correct, it was indeed Cool Edit - I also used GoldWave and got the two confused. Cool Edit was useful for looking at waveforms down to sample level.

Regards,

Mother

The BBClassicPhone ringtone on the 7100 seems to be an ADPCM file.

If there were a way to extract it from the handset, you could open it in Cool Edit or whatever to examine the bit rate, sample rate etc.

Don't know if this helps! I love this thread though, the thought of actually using real sound for a ringtone on my BB!

>>"If there were a way to extract it from the handset"

It should be possible with the javaloader application, to copy the file off the BlackBerry.

Mark, I believe a lot of people have tried and failed at extracting the ringtones from the software/handset (unless someone has succeeded since).

The only module that I could find with the ringers is net_rim_bb_profiles_tunes_builtintunes which I was able to get off of the handheld with javaloader, but I'm not sure if I can extract the individual midis from the COD file. When I opened up the COD in notepad you can see that the BBClassicPhone file is titled BBClassicPhone.mid so it probably isn't a ADPCM unless RIM had to use the .mid extension to get it to play. Hope this helps.

here's some information for you all. it looks like these are the supported file types (these may be the internal folders, actually):

audio/adpcm
audio/mid
audio/midi
audio/x-midi
audio/x-nokia-ringtone
audio/x-tone-seq

it actually has a built-in "device" called AdpcmPlayer, as well as ImagePlayer, MEPlayer, MidiPlayer, NokiaRingtonePlayer, and TonePlayer (these all could be the same media player).

Well then, I guess you just have to find out how to load files to those directories?

those are the MIME extensions not folders.

FYI, this functionality has been removed from the Blackberry. After speaking to a few of our users, they started requesting the ADPCM functionality. I emailed RIM and ended up speaking to someone who escalated the issue to another department. Anyhow, they said that it did not support ADPCM ringtones and that polyphonic midi would be the only route to go for multi-channel ringtones.

Hope that gives a little bit of an 'official' answer for everyone else... :-/

*edit: it was ADPCM2 format. 'For now' it has been removed (perhaps it could be added back in a future software update?)

man, I SO SO SO wish this worked. :(

How about the other sounds? For example the default sound for the alarm clock doesn't sound like it's a midi sample. I'd like to change some of the sounds for e-mail notification for example. Is this possible or is the whole ADPCM issue a write off until they fix it?

Try http://muumoo.jp/pccolumn010_2.shtml

Sorry, my Japanese isn't very good. What exactly is this for? From the screenshots I gather it converts wave to adpcm files, but how do we get them to work on the 7100?

using BabelFish

http://world.altavista.com/

it would appear that this is an instructional how-to for ADPCM conversion.
it does not immediately address our issue.

by my guess, if this feat (as it could accurately be described) is possible, we will either need a step-by-step direct from RIM, or just tons more testing.

the 2 key factors:

1. bit rate and specific sound file characteristics
2. proper web space to host the file in a manner which the BB browser can spot it

as for the first, that's just playing around. i did that with mp3 ringers and my V300, although ADPCM does appear to be a bit trickier. if freeware can't do it, i'm sure, as a community, anyone who is able to convert using pricier softs would be willing to assist others.

as for the second, that's gonna be a fun obstacle to manuever!

i don't imagine WAPstranky will be the solution: http://www.wapstranky.cz/java.php?type=10

i did have a thought about that:

is it possible the emulation settings on the browser could make a difference?

if the default WAP settings are active, that could be locking out the java-based download option that the IE would prompt.

just a thought.

please read my reply a few above. per RIM, they removed the ADPCM functionality (although the media player will load up the file if the MIME-type is correct on the web server, but it won't play).

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried playing ADPCM with OS 4.0 loaded?

OK, the question I had has been deleted. I tried to use the yousendit.com service to get an adp ringtone that I have created, but can't get it to let me download. Has anyeone else had any luck getting one using this service?

Just host the file you made on a webbrowser, if you email me the file (luke.luciano@gmail.com) and I'll host it for you. I have the mime-types set up to allow .adp ringtones. All you have to do is browse to the file from your 7100 webbrowser and it will then play if you did it right. Try http://luckyluciano.completelyfreeho.../midis/150.adp.

I will send over a few "Test" adps tonight - I say test because I am experimenting with SOX and using the GSM ADPCM format - very good compression and by all accounts the format that is preferred for mobile phone rings.

What is SOX?

Sox seems like a great tool for conversion/compression but from what I could tell you couldn't do any editing of the original file which is a must considering that the file size is limited. Is there another tool out there that has good compression but also allows you to edit the file, i.e. extract certain parts from the song and compress?

OK, I'm going crazy. Is anyone here using Apache and can help me out? I have the MIME types set correctly, and had everything working fine for a few days. Now, whenever I load an .adp file (or even some .html files) from my server, I just get ASCII output.

I have the MIME type set as:

audio/adpcm adp

correct, right?

Also, with a ring tone created by SOX, will it play on the BB? I tested that program on Friday and couldn't the BB to play the resulting ring.

Also, the tutorial I'd written looks like in got wiped out when the server was hacked (along with my user name). If anyone wants me to repost it let me know.

glame - sorry this is mostly linux stuff - thats what I use

okay, so, what format is that file? played just fine on my 7100t.

i tried opening the file with cooledit pro, and but it couldn't figure out the proper format on its own, and i had no success with the couple combinations of params that i tried.

what's the magical incantation?

The file is in a tweaked version of the Okidata ADPCM wav format. Cool Edit will not open it. Only program I've found that will open the file is the Philips version of Mobile Phone Tools.

gmplayer will also open it no problems at all - ahh Linux

Guess I'll have to go buy some speakers for my Linux box then ;)

Please repost your tutorial so we can get some decent ringtones flying.

I'll post my tutorial as soon as I get my web server (Apache) working correctly again. Just trying to figure out why any .adp file from my server is now showing up as plain text on the BB. I went to http://web-sniffer.net/, and the content type shows up as audio/adpcm. I checked the same file on Lucky Luciano's server, loads fine on my BB. Don't want to wipe the server out and start over, but that's what I'm about ready to do.

Here you go:

You'll need a couple things to make an .adp ringtone that'll play on the 7100:

1) an audio editor (Cool Edit, etc)
2) The Philips version of Mobile Phone Tools. Get it here:

http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/c/c...p2_ics_eng.zip

First edit your .wav or .mp3 down to about 15 seconds. We need to make sure that the final .adp file is under 200K. I haven't had a chance to expirement w/ the file size limit, due to my web server going crazy, so the limit may be higher than 200k. I just know that a 198K file will play, while a 228k one would not.

Next, install Mobile Phone Tools. Skip the part that asks for your Identifier, fax #, etc. Also, whenever you start the program it's gonna ask how your phone is connected to your PC. Since it only works with Philips phones, click cancel.

Mobile Phone Tools can apparently be used to sync contacts, email, etc, but we have a Blackberry so we don't care about that functionality. All we need this program for is the Multimedia Center. Click the Menu button, then Tools, then Multimedia Center. Once this opens click on the button that says Melody Studio. Open your wav or mp3, click Save As, and select Oki ADPCM as the file type.

Now upload this file to your web server, making sure that the correct MIME type has been configured (audio/adpcm adp). Open up the BB browser, navigate to the URL where your .adp is. It can take a few minutes for it to load, so don't panic. Once the Media Player has loaded and your ring tone is playing, click the scroll wheel and choose save. It'll ask for confirmation that you want to save it (you can also change the file name at this point).

That's it. You've now got a ringtone infinitely better than midi on your 7100 ;)