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Old 11-23-2007, 12:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Greetings to all,

My wife just got herself a new blackberry pearl. And well, me being who i am has had it in my hand for about five minutes and said "this needs to be modded"! After doing a somewhat extensive search, i found this place and thought that this may be the place to start!

As it is, i am familiar with light hex editing, as well as p2k software applications. Like i said in the title bar, i am well versed in moto modding.

So, to start out simply i am curious, what is the preferred method for modding the pearl? what is the most common mod that noobs do so they can get their feet wet? keymapping? led color changing? unlocking?

I have read over the forums, and it seems that there are alot of good things to play with, but i wanted to hear the advice and opinions of experts who have been doing this for a while.

I look forward to all the help i can get in my mission to utterly decimate my wife's warranty!
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There really is no modding like on a Razr. BB is very secure and it's native apps can't be modified. However you can add 3rd party apps like the colorpearl application for changing the led colors under the trackball.

Check out the aftermarket software forum. The color pearl app is in a sticky in the 8100 forum (since it only works on the pearl.)
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Greetings to all,

My wife just got herself a new blackberry pearl. And well, me being who i am has had it in my hand for about five minutes and said "this needs to be modded"! After doing a somewhat extensive search, i found this place and thought that this may be the place to start!

As it is, i am familiar with light hex editing, as well as p2k software applications. Like i said in the title bar, i am well versed in moto modding.

So, to start out simply i am curious, what is the preferred method for modding the pearl? what is the most common mod that noobs do so they can get their feet wet? keymapping? led color changing? unlocking?

I have read over the forums, and it seems that there are alot of good things to play with, but i wanted to hear the advice and opinions of experts who have been doing this for a while.

I look forward to all the help i can get in my mission to utterly decimate my wife's warranty!
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Talking cool!

wow, i didn't expect to get two replies so quickly!

Thanks for the links and the direction in which to go, learning a new system is always a delightful pain (it's like learning os x or linux after you are used to xp for so many years).

Modding native apps is actually not really doable on moto's either. sure you can mod themes, ringtones, keymapping, and a few other odds and end, but as far as modding the actual program we rely on 3rd party sources too (usually people much smarter then me who actually know what they are doing) and simply delete the rest.

So i will check out the links, and investigate the stickies more closely. I appreciate all the help thus far, and again thanks much!

My darling bride is already shaking her head in disgusted amusement and rolling her eyes in a possessed fashion

although, she does say that i get this manic look in my eye whenever i start to do things like this...
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Mod away. Make sure you have a copy of JL_CMDER handy.
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ooo, dos based it looks
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ooo, dos based it looks
Yes it is and great utility.
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Also suggest you get your own BlackBerry so your wife won't kill you.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Default ...yes buying my own...

well...

well...

yeah, as far as me getting my own, att says that i am not allowed to upgrade my phone for a whole year. my wife got this phone at a ridiculously cheap price that it was a total steal (yes it was the 29.99 refurb, and i like refurbs, they almost always work better the second time around)...

either way i just went back to att site and they said they were sold out. it really doesn't surprise me considering that at the time (ergo monday) it was the absolute cheapest phone period next to the free pantech.

and who has ever heard of pantech anyway?

me, i like my moto. lottsa cracks and hacks and let's not forget the utterly useless yet quite entertaining funlights mod.

but in all honesty i always back up just in case i get a white screen, (at least thats what i've gotten with my htc wizard, and my l6 more then a couple of times ) and always am able to correct the issue.

although making her go
to my is always kinda fun

I am hoping that she will take onto modding as i have, but if not, thats okay too, she is still the coolest chick in the world.

while i am on the subject of backing up, what is available before i go my way a modding? and is the proprietary software from Rim absolutely necessary or is there something better?

thanks all for making me feel welcome, i really appreciate it.
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There is no way to hack, crack or mod a BlackBerry. Adding a theme and background pictures is hardly modding it. It's ain't a Moto. No seems around it. In any event....

Good luck...
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also if you are into themes and things of that sort you can download plazmic theme builder, to give you your own "custom" feel.
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cool and cool!

true adding a theme and changing backround stuff is hardly modding. of course in the moto world at least for the l6, you weren't exactly supposed to do that sort of thing.

but enough about the moto. i am starting to get a feel for what's possible around here.

is there any prospects for removing the branding?
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The splash screen at startup? No. Or should I say, no one has figured it out.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I feel...less alone!
I transfered to a BB Pearl 8100 from a RAZR V3. PLEASE, BRING MODDING TO THIS PHONE! Seriously, the only "mods" are the color trackball and the holes in the battery case for better sound quality. It's....so.....cold.....

(I'd help, but I've got no skill in hex editing and this phone is in my opinion locked TIGHT.)
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Default i've only been here for less then 24 hours...

and look at what i've started.

as it is, i have done some investigation and came across some places that seem to have lots of knowledge as well.

i hope it's not against policy to post these sites, and if it is i apologize now...

...as my pappy always told me, sometimes it's better to ask forgiveness then permission.

so here goes...
pinstack.com
crackberry.com
View Forum - Blackberry Cell Phone Hacks

it would appear that the blackberry community dwarfs us moto folks, however i wonder if it is the same knowledge over and over again, or it is new knowledge.

...

i do know a bit about hex, and after some conversations with some of the moderators at m3 and motomodders, it usually turned out to be mostly trial and error.

now according to njblackberry, there is no seem editing. buuuuut....

that doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who hasn't figured something else out. a system is only secure until someone more clever then the designer comes along to work around it.

...take the iphone...

and the guys who did that were the moto guys.

i have modded my xbox to, my miata, my moto, my ppc, and hopefully tomorrow my guitar (provided the parts come in). needless to say i am mod happy.

alls it takes is someone who is willing, and bored enough, and curious enough.

The startup screen could be modified at the very least, and i am just throwing ideas out there, by creating a new image and renaming it the same thing as the old one. that works sometimes when you want to fool the system into thinking it's doing what it is supposed to be doing. thats actually how you had to do things a long time ago before companies realized that customers wanted to add their own bit of flair to the mix (which in my opinion is the one fatal flaw with Apple products, the lack of choice)

Either way, this phone is popular enough and i am willing to bet there is someone out there who's come up with something...

...although, in the blackberries defense i will admit one thing that seems to be very clear, and my moto friend may have noticed this. Unlike our moto's where we had to edit seems and map keys and such, it would appear that Rim had enough foresight to know that certain users are pretentious in the fact that they must customize everything. It would seem that Rim designed this with personalization in mind. Everything, for all intent and purposes is already open to change.

you can already change ringtones, theme, key functions, and just about everything that you can think of. unlike, and again, our moto's where we had to re-write seems just to enable volume keys on the sides...

There are some things like branding that always are annoying, and i certainly wouldn't mind getting rid of the att logo. It's not that i am anti establishment or anything like that, it's simply the challenge and learning curve that comes with figuring it out. I would also be interested in seeing the developers tools, if any that are hidden in the phone. It's always cool to see things that are there, but not accessible to the normal user (usually cause doing something stupid will ultimately brick your phone).

The proof that things can be done already exist. and that is apparent in that someone created a program that can mod the trackball lights. it's not much but it is a start. how about gaintables, and things like increasing the ear and speaker volume? it has to be there somewhere right?

Either way, like most everything else, it is the challenge involved and not the final product. if all that is offered is all that is offered, then that is that. if there is more, then it will be discovered and hopefully shared. I for one simply like the learning curve.

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Please, feel free to mod your BlackBerrys. No one is saying you shouldn't.

You have spent a lot of time on the soapbox (and still have not told anyone anything new about modding or hacking a BlackBerry).

As I said early on in this thread, make sure you have JL_CMDER handy.
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You have spent a lot of time on the soapbox (and still have not told anyone anything new about modding or hacking a BlackBerry).
NJB For a site mod your sounding like a Hater there. Let him yap all he wants, we might actually learn something NOT to do
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Not a hater at all. Just someone who has been around the block with BBs for quite a while, and knows when not to waste MY time.

The BB community is VERY small. It's easy to mod a Moto phone; if someone knew how to remove the splash screen (asked many times before AND in this thread) then it would be all over this board and the Internet. It hasn't been done.

Look - if he wants to hack up his BB (or worse, his wife's BB) then it is his decision - I am just providing some guidance. As in, there's not much you will be able to do.

Hate? No. Reality? Yes.
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oh my...

no i feel no hate, and as i said it is an admitted soapbox. i do appreciate comments, and the conversation.

actually, in my particular case, and in a strange form of selfishness, the knowledge that i have gained thus far has been quite useful.

it is mostly in my own thought process and using you folks as a sounding board that i have learned much from sharing my own thoughts with you.

in particular when i said that it would appear that the bb is already designed with personalization in mind and that would seem to be why modding is not as common is because it's already open for that.

that conclusion was reached far more quickly because of the discourse that i
have had with you fellows. and while it is true that i have not really come up with any new information, that does not mean that this conversation has been in vain.

the answer is really quite simple; for the most part, moto users strive to have the personalization that comes inherent with the blackberry (or at the very least, the pearl). while we have to rely on certain mods in order to get our phones just the way we want them, you guys already have it out of the box.

the reason there isn't much to mod, is because there isn't much of a reason to mod in the first place.

and hopefully as time goes on, someone who is like minded will read this thread and learn what i have learned from the guidance that has been provided.

however i do disagree in saying that the bb community is small. i have found more sites devoted to these things than any other phone i have played with (including nokia, erricson, motorolla, htc, etcetera). Quite honestly this is a large community as far as things go.

in any event, thank you all for what you have contributed.

i take no offense to anything, yet strive to give as much as possible

(and as i have learned in this life, once you know what not to do, knowing what to do becomes far easier)
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I used to be a motomodder as well... I do miss all the things I was able to alter on my V3s (where are my 8310 party lights?!?), but do love the BB functionality!
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