WOW, why that worked I have no idea. It brought me to the same page I was initially trying to download from, but I could not install the 4.1 with certificates. I read another forum where someone said try navigating to the other link if this one fails which I did, and clicked on the opera 4.1 without certificates and was still getting the 403 error. Bur for whatever reason starting from your link above, those steps worked just fine. Once again the people on this forum have come through. Thanks you guys are all awesome!