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Old 11-11-2006, 10:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hey guys,
is it possible to use the camera to capture video somehow ?
with another application ?

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Old 11-11-2006, 10:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome 8100 User. Try Searching before posting this is a popular topic.
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hey pic , cut the noob some slack, hey 8100 maybe a third party later, not now that i know of.
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Old 11-11-2006, 11:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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thanx guys .. yes i tried searching
"capture video" , "capturing video" on this thread .. i must have missed it
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The 8100 does not have video capturing feature.
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The 8100 does not have video capturing feature.

i think i mentioned that phungy, that probably how you got the amount of posts on this forum,by following up with a answer i already posted.
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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thanx guys .. yes i tried searching
"capture video" , "capturing video" on this thread .. i must have missed it
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Was probably your search terms. It can be frustrating doing searches when you don't get the right terms.

"Video recorder" popped up lots of threads and posts, but not as you say, "video capture."

http://www.blackberryforums.com/sear...archid=1609884

What has been talked about is whether or not the Pearl as configured can support video recording.

If it can, then we assume RIM or some third party will come out with an application to turn the camera into a video recorder.

As to why RIM did not include such, I speculated that maybe a recording program would take up too much space on the 44MB of space the Pearl has for the operating system, etc.

As configured, the Pearl only gives users about 20MB of space for files, etc. The Pearl is just like Windows, if you fill up a hard disk, the system slows way down. On the Pearl I imagine it's the same thing. That is why the Pearl does not allow one to put larger than about 2.8MB files on to the device memory.

So, I'm not sure what will happen. If it's a space limitation issue, maybe RIM will have to come out with a 128MB version of the Pearl. Or maybe they can figure out a way for programs to run off a MicroSD chip.

Oh well..... I digress.
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Old 11-13-2006, 05:02 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Both video recording and running apps off the memory card were two nifty features of my old Treo 650 and two things I miss a little with the Pearl. RIM should be able to add video recording with a firmware update, but like SanFrancisco said, it's up to them to shoe-horn it into the available space.
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I really don't think it has anything to do with onboard memory. At the data rates that compressed video would use it could use a circular buffer and write out to the memory card straight from RAM faster than it filled up - Windows Mobile devices are capable of doing this with far less ram available to the OS. I suspect they just couldn't get a decent quality and frame rate out of the camera on their first attempts and didnt want to release something mediocre - most blackberry users havn't even seen a phone camera before (heheh - first BB with a camera).

As for executing from the storage card - its called XIP (eXexcute In Place). The problem is that it needs a different type of flash chip for it to work, and of course there are tradeoffs. Current flash cards - SD etc use NAND memory which is slower to read, but faster to write AND doesnt allow XIP. In order to do XIP they would need to switch to NOR memory, which is faster to read but slower to write.

NOR: Faster to read, slower to write.
NAND: Slower to read, faster to write

Bottom line is you won't really see devices with XIP unless they have built in flash for that purpose OR the industry starts offering removable NOR flash cards.
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I really don't think it has anything to do with onboard memory. At the data rates that compressed video would use it could use a circular buffer and write out to the memory card straight from RAM faster than it filled up - Windows Mobile devices are capable of doing this with far less ram available to the OS. I suspect they just couldn't get a decent quality and frame rate out of the camera on their first attempts and didnt want to release something mediocre - most blackberry users havn't even seen a phone camera before (heheh - first BB with a camera).

As for executing from the storage card - its called XIP (eXexcute In Place). The problem is that it needs a different type of flash chip for it to work, and of course there are tradeoffs. Current flash cards - SD etc use NAND memory which is slower to read, but faster to write AND doesnt allow XIP. In order to do XIP they would need to switch to NOR memory, which is faster to read but slower to write.

NOR: Faster to read, slower to write.
NAND: Slower to read, faster to write

Bottom line is you won't really see devices with XIP unless they have built in flash for that purpose OR the industry starts offering removable NOR flash cards.
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I really don't think it has anything to do with onboard memory. At the data rates that compressed video would use it could use a circular buffer and write out to the memory card straight from RAM faster than it filled up - Windows Mobile devices are capable of doing this with far less ram available to the OS. I suspect they just couldn't get a decent quality and frame rate out of the camera on their first attempts and didnt want to release something mediocre - most blackberry users havn't even seen a phone camera before (heheh - first BB with a camera).

As for executing from the storage card - its called XIP (eXexcute In Place). The problem is that it needs a different type of flash chip for it to work, and of course there are tradeoffs. Current flash cards - SD etc use NAND memory which is slower to read, but faster to write AND doesnt allow XIP. In order to do XIP they would need to switch to NOR memory, which is faster to read but slower to write.

NOR: Faster to read, slower to write.
NAND: Slower to read, faster to write

Bottom line is you won't really see devices with XIP unless they have built in flash for that purpose OR the industry starts offering removable NOR flash cards.
Quick question:My last phone,a Nokia 3650, allowed me to store and execute programs off the SD memory card. I was actually kind of startled when I got my Pearl and saw that I couldn't store programs to the memory card. Does it matter that that was SD and the Pearl uses microSD? Oh, and it recorded video clips (limited to 8 seconds), but sounds for the clips was not available till a patch came out.
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i think i mentioned that phungy, that probably how you got the amount of posts on this forum,by following up with a answer i already posted.
Chill, just cause you say it once doesn't make it forbidden for someone to say it again for assurance. Do the number of post really matter to you?
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Old 01-26-2007, 07:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Chill, just cause you say it once doesn't make it forbidden for someone to say it again for assurance. Do the number of post really matter to you?
I agree...it was just a matter of verbage that his query didnt come up.
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