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Old 12-11-2006, 01:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 8100 Firmware 4.2.0.42: advisable to upgrade to current TMobile newer firmware?

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Hi All:

i've had my Tmobile blackberry 8100 Pearl since September 2006. my firmware is the one listed in the thread title line above.

i know that Tmobile has posted a new firmware for the Pearl that's something like "v.......62" or something like that.

may i ask if it is advisable to download that? there is that traditional wisdom of firmware upgrading of "if it ain't broke and if it's doing what you want it to do, don't upgrade firmware!"

on the other hand, the fact that the Pearl trackball button DISABLING all incoming calls' ringing (it effectively silences the phone if you tried to pull the phone out of your pocket while an incoming call is ringing) even if you just are walking around with the phone in your pants pocket or if you tried to pull it out of your pocket, there's no way that you can really do that without touching the trackball and thereby silencing the phone, in fact, frequently even putting the phone to "do not accept this call" situation. VERY annoying.

i was told that the latest firmware would change that.

is that true? thx in advance!
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Any firmware version later than .42 will fix that. T-mobile's latest version is .64, however, .67 is currently that latest version available to the public. All versions from all manufacturers will work with your pearl. There are a few threads in here that will walk you through the upgrade process so that it will work with your carrier.
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yes, that is fixed, but you lose the ability to disable the auto-dim feature. alot of people don't like the trade off. personal choice.
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I couldn't live with the bug where moving the trackwheel disabled the ringtone. I can live with the auto-dim functionality removed - and the choice has to be yours. I am running 4.2.0.67 now.
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what are the downsides to just downloading the .64 Tmobile version rather than the .67? I assume that there are additional "hassles" associated with downloading a non-Tmobile firmware and there are apt to be miscellaneous incompatibilities with Tmobile that one would eventually find out, from time to time, right?

i've been cautious about firmware because i'm not that keen on investing the time and energy to get everything to work properly. if the downsides to the .64 isn't that big (and i don't know that for sure), maybe it's not worth the hassle for some (or many) people?

just asking...because you guys seem to know A LOT about this! thx in advance! this is just the good advice i need!

i've had problems in the past with buying phones from the UK and then having to do all sorts of modifications/minor alterations here and there just to make it work properly here in the US with Tmobile. eventually, i got sick and tired with my phone not "fully" compatible with Tmobile and wished that new and interesting phones would come out super fast with Tmobile so i don't have to buy phones from abroad!!

i'm so glad that this Pearl 8100 is so new and Tmobile got it right away. that's why i got it during the first week...but, alas, my firmware probably has all sorts of bugs and stuff that need to be changed/upgraded...right? i can't even find a list of fixes to my version that the .64 or .67 has changed. shouldn't there be some sort of "Table" that would list each version's changes? that would make sense!
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I have had no incompatibilities with using the 4.2.0.67 on the T-Mobile network. If you are concerned then go with the .64 by all means. Bug fixes, etc. are "supposed" to be cumulative. Of course, new bugs could be introduced.

There is no list of fixes - RIM gives that to the carriers and they decide whether or not to share it. Wouldn't that be nice....
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... can't even find a list of fixes to my version that the .64 or .67 has changed. shouldn't there be some sort of "Table" that would list each version's changes? that would make sense!
that would make sense . . . and we can't have that now can we.
take some time to rummage around some of the upgrade threads and you'll see the changes. those are the two big things I can think of. along with the ability to use 2GB microSD cards with a later version - someone help me out was that .62 or .67?
I'm running .67 with out any problems - except the auto-dim annoyance.
it all has to do with what you're willing to live with ...or without.
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NJBlackberry: thx!

so the question is what the differences between the .64 and the .67 that you have. ideally, if the "fixes" are very small or not important to me, the safer and more conservative route would be to just go for the .64 from Tmobile and not worry at all about anything. the somewhat more risky approach would be to try to capture ALL the fixes to-date and do the .67, like you did. Of course, being the front runner and "martyr" you are ;) you've done the risky part for the rest of us and have reported no known incompatibilties, rigth?

it would be interesting to know what the differences between the .67 and .64 for the simple reason: why risk and bother with the .67 if one doesn't have to?

thx in advance and look forward to hearing more from you all!
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I was sent this list of fixes as part of .64; the problem is I don't know what the starting base was - .51? .42?

> Removes the feature of the trackball silencing an incoming ring
> Adds the feature to have the Mute key silence an incoming ring
> Fixes the bug where sometimes audio tones are "erased" and the user doesnxxx8217;t hear incoming or outgoing calls and sometimes the microphone goes out.
> myFaves contact names that are 20 characters now display correctly
> Charging via the USB tether cable with an older version of Desktop Manager (USB 1.0 vs. 2.0) is resolved.
> Opening a new web link displays the new link, and not the previous web site
> "fake mute" is fixed
> Sending or receiving an SMS by a myFaves contact shows the full name, and not just the phone number.

It doesn't mention the 1/2 GB microSD fix, which was included in .51

And I have no idea what "fake mute" means!
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why risk and bother with the .67 if one doesn't have to?
You are absolutely, 100% correct.

And yet, I am waiting for .69 to come out from Cingular.
Why? An obsession with having the latest OS, I guess
Same reason I have a beta of Vista (well, that was NOT a good move).
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Old 12-11-2006, 02:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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One word of advice regarding upgrades, have a copy of javaloader handy BEFORE proceeding. These things can and do go bad and it's best to be prepared.
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Mr. Roadrider:

what is that Javaloader you mentioned? i have no idea what it is or what it is used for and also certainly how to use it!

ouch. what does someone like me do then?

feeling stomach acid already even before starting the firmware upgrading process! i always feel this way. ick.

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Javaloader (os the JL_CMDER shell) allows you to totally wipe out a BlackBerry (except for the IT Policy) if the load doesn't work, or if an application renders the BB unusable.

Don't feel icky. We are here to help. And don't forget to make a backup!
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NJBlackberry: so does that mean i have to have javaloader FIRST before i do the firmware upgrade?

confused.

what do i do with javaloader? where do i get it? i'm 99% sure that i will NOT be doing the public, non-Tmobile sanctioned and blessed .67. Call me clueless and no guts, but i'm "afeared" ;)

please help! anyone! thx!
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Would someone be so kind as to tell me (a new bb owner), where I can find detailed instructions on how to install the latest 4.2.0.67 software
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http://www.blackberryforums.com/gene...nload-now.html

Read the above thread. You'll find all the info you need here.
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NJBlackberry: so does that mean i have to have javaloader FIRST before i do the firmware upgrade?

confused.

what do i do with javaloader? where do i get it? i'm 99% sure that i will NOT be doing the public, non-Tmobile sanctioned and blessed .67. Call me clueless and no guts, but i'm "afeared" ;)

please help! anyone! thx!
You do not need Javaloader - it is a precautionary measure.
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Mr. NJBlackberry:

Would it make sense to know what to do with Javaloader as a precautionary measure? it would see wise to learn to perform these "precautionary" things/tools BEFORE something happens that's really bad and drastic.

i don't know how much of a learning curve it takes but it would be awfully scary if the 8100 Pearl goes kaput during or right after the firmware upgrade process! on top of that, you know how risk averse i am since i'm not even considering the .67 version - i'm only going to do the "fully Tmobile sanctioned" .64 version!

thx again...in advance of all upcoming advice from y'all ;)
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You will only need to use Javaloader (and I suggest download JL_CMDER since it is a nice wrapper around it).

If your BB gets messed up and someone says "wipe it and reload the OS" use JL_CMDER. It is a nice shell and intuitive. Search for it here.

You do NOT need to use it before upgrading.
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I recommend doing the .67 upgrade. I went from .42 directly to .67. it's a pretty safe upgrade. There are fewer bugs in it. It's a simple procedure as outlined in several threads. Just remember after installing both the desktop manager and the OS package to delete the vendor.xml file located in c:\program files\common files\research in motion\apploader.

JLCMDER is a great tool to use to wipe the handheld in case something does go bad during the install. Download and keep it for future use. As NJ says, you most likely won't need it.

Note: the upgrade takes about 30 minutes and will appear to hang at "waiting for device initialization." Dont unplug it, just let it go til its done. Good luck....
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