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Old 04-16-2007, 11:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Better Detailed Instructions on How to Downlaod OTA Without a Data Plan

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I know this was posted before, but I have been getting a lot of questions so I created some more detailed instructions.

Long story short, I have found how to get OTA only applications to your phone without a Data Plan. It works great for me with no problems at all. I hope you like it.

THIS PROBABLY WONxxx8217;T WORK WITH APPS YOU PURCHASE BECAUSE THEY USE YOUR PIN TO UNIQUELY IDENTIFY YOU AND USUALLY NEED DATA PLAN TO OPERATE CORRECTLY. DO NOT PURCHASE AN APPLICATION USING THE DEVICE SIMULATOR AND TRY TO SAVE IT AND USE IT ON YOUR PHONE. IT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL NOT WORK BECAUSE THE DEVICE SIMULATOR HAS A DIFFERENT PIN THAN YOUR PHONE.

This is for people who do not have a data plan and would like to download free applications that do not require a data plan or your pin to uniquely identify you to work properly.


Follow these directions to get the software you will need:

1. Go to: https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads...897474079C1477

2. Download and install the Device Simulator.

3. Download and install the Email and MDS Simulator Package.

4. Check to make sure you have Sunxxx8217;s JDK 5.0, if not here is the link for download: https://sdlc2d.sun.com/ECom/EComActi...E394C9DA1334D8

5. You will also need to download the Device Operating System that you use and install it ON YOUR COMPUTER. It can be found on your carriers website. I got mine from T-mobile's blackberry download section.


Use the Device Simulator to download applications OTA:

1. Run the MDS Simulator from Start->All Programs->Research In Motion.

2. Run the Device Simulator from the same location.

3. Use the Device Simulators browser to download OTA applications.


Backup and install applications you have installed on the Device Simulator:

1. Run the Device Simulator.

2. On the menu bar in the simulator click on xxx8220;Simulatexxx8221;, then xxx8220;USB Cable Connected.xxx8221;

3. Open Desktop Manager.

4. Double click xxx8220;Switch Device Wizardxxx8221;.

5. Click the button pertaining to xxx8220;Switch Blackberry Devices.xxx8221;

6. Click xxx8220;Next.xxx8221;

7. Choose your connection if necessary and click xxx8220;Next.xxx8221;

8. Wait for it to load.

9. Uncheck xxx8220;User Data And Settingsxxx8221; which should also uncheck xxx8220;Include Messages.xxx8221;

10. Make sure the only checkbox checked is xxx8220;Third Party Applications.xxx8221;

11. Click xxx8220;Nextxxx8221; and you should see it copying the applications from your phone.

NOTE: IF YOU GET THIS ERROR MESSAGE (An error was encountered while attempting to retrieve wirelessly delivered applications from the device) just cancel it and close out of it. You will need to download the operating system for your device and install it on your computer. This should fix that problem.

ALSO: If you do not see it try to copy or retreive any apps and it just skips to the next window real fast asking you to connect your new phone, DO NOT DO SO. Close it out and you will need to uninstall the Device Manager and the Device Operating System FROM YOUR COMPUTER and reinstall them on your computer.

12. DO NOT CLICK ON NEXT OR CLOSE THE SWITCH DEVICE WIZARD.

13. You need to go to your Temp Folder so open up My Computer.

14. In the address bar type %temp% and hit enter.

15. Now you need to search for your files. I am using Windows XP and I click on xxx8220;Searchxxx8221;, then xxx8220;All Files and Folders.xxx8221;

16. Search for all or part of the file name: *.alx

17. If you do not find this file, then look below at xxx8220;What to do If You canxxx8217;t
find the .alx file.xxx8221;

18. Right click on the alx file you found and select xxx8220;Open Containing Folder.xxx8221;

19. Copy EVERYTHING in this folder to a folder on your Desktop or anywhere else.

20. Click Cancel in the Switch Device Wizard.

21. Close Desktop Manager.

22. Disconnect the Simulated USB Connection in the Simulator.

23. Close the Simulator.

24. Connect your actual phone to the computer with the USB Cable.

25. Open up Desktop Manager.

26. Double Click xxx8220;Application Loader.xxx8221;

27. Click Next.

28. Click on xxx8220;Addxxx8221; and locate the folder you saved the application files to.

29. Double click on the .alx file that shows up.

30. Install.


What To Do If You Cannot Find The .alx File:

First of all I always find the .alx file, but a lot of people donxxx8217;t.

1. Search the temp folder like described above but this time for one of the applications you have installed on the Simulated Device by searching for all or part of the filename.

2. Once you have found one of the files you can right click it and select xxx8220;Open Containing Folder.xxx8221;

3. Copy EVERYTHING in this folder to a folder on your desktop or anywhere else.

4. Rename the files to something simple and easy to remember and add the .cod extension to them.

5. Now you have the cod files and you can install them using JavaLoader. But that is another set of instructions which I do not have enough time for right away. You can try searching, though.


I do not advise you to download and share OTA only files. This may be Illegal. However, If you agree to the terms of the download and download the file, you are allowed to use it.

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Old 04-18-2007, 06:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I edited my above post to account for some errors people were having.

Let me know if you find this useful or have any problems.

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Old 04-18-2007, 06:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the walk through *but* would it not be easier to add the plan for a day (about a buck in cost) transfer all the stuff you want then cancel the data plan the same day?
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Thanks for the walk through *but* would it not be easier to add the plan for a day (about a buck in cost) transfer all the stuff you want then cancel the data plan the same day?
Good idea. I guess you could if you wanted to. I didn't know you could add the plan for just a day for only a charge of about a dollar. I never really thought about it. I just know I'm a poor college kid that can't spend too much money so I never looked into it.

Also, it tells you how to backup these apps to your computer(thanks to Krad at kradest.com). It saves them as .cod and .alx files which are great for if you want to wipe your phone. Because then you would have to go and find them all again. But you could add the plan for a day and then back them up from your phone instead of the simulator.

Beleive it or not people have found this useful.

I like to look for new stuff quite often, so having the plan for just a day would be no fun for me.

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Oh please don't get me wrong! It's an awesome walk through
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Oh please don't get me wrong! It's an awesome walk through
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the guide!! I'm looking into something similar, I'm testing the bridging capabilities between bluetooth and a local NIC of a pc, I know the Blue Soleil program can give out ip addys to mobile devices, if I can get an IP addy on the Pearl, then surfing through the opera browser shouldn't be a problem. I'll post if I'm successful. Does anyone know if I have to register service books for the opera mini to work?

Update: Installed Opera and connected it via bluetooth to my pc, it connected fine either in PAN or through the LAN, but once it connected, the Pearl itself gave me a white screen with "Connecting to Desktop..." I was not able to go to Opera from then on, I also tried ALT + return sign? (the button on the right of the trackball) and tried to choose Opera from there but still no go. I believe that's the only part that's limiting my access... I'll keep on looking and let you guys know if I come up with something...

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Thanks for the guide!! I'm looking into something similar, I'm testing the bridging capabilities between bluetooth and a local NIC of a pc, I know the Blue Soleil program can can give out ip addys to mobile devices, if I can get an IP addy on the Pearl, then surfing through the opera browser shouldn't be a problem. I'll post if I'm successful. Does anyone know if I have to register service books for the opera mini to work?
That's cool. I've wondered if there was a way to get internet to my Pearl over bluetooth. That would be pretty cool. Keep us updated!
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Does anyone know if I have to register service books for the opera mini to work?
no service books needed.


a great/helpful guide
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Old 04-20-2007, 03:41 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Red face i am a very confused newb...

Hello,

I am trying very hard to grasp this whole blackberry thing. I have an 8100 and I need someone to tell me the story. You guys seem to really know whats up so I am replying here.

I dont get this service book thing?

I dont understand why I dont have a web browser icon?

I dont understand how to add email without going through the enterprise thing.

What are all these things like blackberry web accounts and blackberry email accounts.

Why does my phone seem all locked down and I cant use any web features without doing something?

What is this whole pin thing?

I am very savvy on GSM "phones" but very lost when it comes to blackberries.

I guess Ill post this ina genreal section, cause you guys are seriously going to flame me...
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Hello,

I am trying very hard to grasp this whole blackberry thing. I have an 8100 and I need someone to tell me the story. You guys seem to really know whats up so I am replying here.

I dont get this service book thing?

I dont understand why I dont have a web browser icon?

I dont understand how to add email without going through the enterprise thing.

What are all these things like blackberry web accounts and blackberry email accounts.

Why does my phone seem all locked down and I cant use any web features without doing something?

What is this whole pin thing?

I am very savvy on GSM "phones" but very lost when it comes to blackberries.

I guess Ill post this ina genreal section, cause you guys are seriously going to flame me...
Do you have a BB Data plan..? No I'm not refering to the regular internet plan that providers give you but a BlackBerry data plan. If you don't have one then you won't be able to have a web browser, send MMS or use internet at all. There is no pay as you go thing unlike other phones so yeah unless you have a data plan there is no using internet through your phone. Service books are just things they send you to enable your browser or different web features. Unless you do have BES then the enterprise server wouldn't be any help to you.
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When using just min-Opera with no dataplan,, be prepared for a huge data bill. You will be charged for data on way or the other. Its only a matter of time.
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THANX SO MUCH!!! now i need to clean out the unwanted pics/themes & start loading some games :D
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Question Cannot connect to simulator using "Switch Device Wizard"

I can run the simulator fine, can download my OTA app fine to the simulator. When I check the "Simulate/USB connection" Blackberry Desktop manager reports that the device is connected. However, if I click on "Switch Device Wizard" and the "Switch Blackberry Devices" the application tries to re-connect. It never manages to connect, and in fact the simulator appears to reset - the "USB" option spontaneously unchecks.

What am I doing wrong? I have just one OTA application I really need to put on this Blackberry 7250 (Accutracking). It's probably a one-off deal. I don't need to know how to develop on the blackberry platform and I've already spent 2 days getting this far.

I'm using a Boost sim in an unlocked 7520. I've installed Opera Mini, works great.

Any tips on how i can finally get this one OTA app off the simulator and onto the device?

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When using just min-Opera with no dataplan,, be prepared for a huge data bill. You will be charged for data on way or the other. Its only a matter of time.
even if someone has the 5mb media plan?
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I can run the simulator fine, can download my OTA app fine to the simulator. When I check the "Simulate/USB connection" Blackberry Desktop manager reports that the device is connected. However, if I click on "Switch Device Wizard" and the "Switch Blackberry Devices" the application tries to re-connect. It never manages to connect, and in fact the simulator appears to reset - the "USB" option spontaneously unchecks.

What am I doing wrong? I have just one OTA application I really need to put on this Blackberry 7250 (Accutracking). It's probably a one-off deal. I don't need to know how to develop on the blackberry platform and I've already spent 2 days getting this far.

I'm using a Boost sim in an unlocked 7520. I've installed Opera Mini, works great.

Any tips on how i can finally get this one OTA app off the simulator and onto the device?

thanks!

Hmmm.... I'm not sure. I haven't heard from anyone trying this on a phone other than the pearl. If I were you I would try uninstalling the simulators and Desktop Manager. Restart your computer. Reinstall the simulators and the DM. Restart your computer. Try again. It might not work, but it's worth a try. I've never had it freeze up on me like that.
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That's cool. I've wondered if there was a way to get internet to my Pearl over bluetooth. That would be pretty cool. Keep us updated!
Keep us updated!
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Hi,

installed the software as recommended... got device simulator up and running. Turned USB on. Ran Desktop Manager. But Desktop Manager when I try to update it using Application Loader will say there is insufficient disk space on device and I should remove some things... so I remove a few MBs of help files and other things I don't need, but still gives me same error. I want to load some apps on the virtual blackberry.

Anyone got any ideas how to fix this? thanks.
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