lol... Do you work for T-Mobile?

Wow, I just tried all the junk you guys went through with no luck Looks like T-Mobile outsmarted us all.

LOL, I knew Tmo was reading this!

I got rid of the $19.99 plan and got the Blackberry enabler. It's been 2 days now and I still have access to the internet. Weird!!!

Mine worked for a week after i canceled the plan, I added it again and canceled the plan now it's gone, anyone know if Tmobile made any changes since July 1st. I have the blackberry feature enabler on, but can't connect to JiveTalk anymore

it'll probably work for a bit until the previous plan phases out and you cant use the same progs that you used under the BB data plan.

i didnt have a data plan with my tmobile blackberry and i never asked for the BB enabler nor did i try to add it myself. tmobile sent me a text message a long time ago at work telling me to turn off and on my phone and suddenly they gave me mms, tzone, and etc. i tried out the new features and saw that i was able to access full html sites. i had this for a long time until today when my camera on the phone wasnt working. i didnt wanna pull out my battery bc the last time i did that (many many months ago), opera mini stopped working on it. but i had to use the camera so i had to do a battery pull. then after putting the battery back in, the web browsing was gone. DAMN that camera

Guys, Opera will work with the tzones, even though tzones is wap only. Because thats what Opera mini is MADE for. To browse the REAL web when you don't have a phone thats normally capable of doing it. AFAIK anyway

So without BB internet service from tmo, you won't have access to the phone default built-in browser...(yay done updating my phone!)... but you will be able to use Opera mini through tzones, because it allows WAP access.

If I'm wrong just /slap me and call me names, but as far as I know this is the case.

I might just go this way too...I don't think you need BB feature Enabler though, just get the unlimited MMS/SSM plan. Thats the same thing, so ask for that and tzones (the 5.99 WAP plan)

Though with the 5.99 t-zones and the 9.99 unlimited mms/sms Its only about 4 bucks less than the BB Internet Plan...although I have that AND the unlimited MMS/SMS...thats 30 bucks I'm tossing them each month. Maybe I'll look into this as it'll cut 15-16 bucks off my bill each month

okay i've been reading this whole convo and i'm a bit confused. I'll just tell you where i'm at.

i have a 1,000 min voiceplan
Unlimited domestic messages

I just signed up for T-Mobile Web thinking that would give me internet access

Now when i hit my t-zone browser it says "You are not currently in an areas that can handle data communication. As a result, the Browser cannot retreive any Web pages"

Then I downloaded Opera Mini. It peforms test after test (20 of them). It says over and over and over: "The application operette $2dhifi has attempted to open a connection to a location inside the firwall and outside the firewall which is not allowed by yout IT policy"

SInce I go the Web plan my phone also says GSM now. It used to say EDGE and then data connection failure.

Is there any hope I can get on the internet on my phone without the unlimited BB plan? And I don't know what i'm payin 5.99 for if i dont have access to t-zone or the Web at all.

all i want is 1000 min unlimited texts an some internet without paying a ridiculous amount each month

MegaMan X


T-Mobile told me that the system won't even let them do it now.

I just tried here too. I actually do have two phones I'm switching between (Treo 650 and Blackberry Pearl) and I want tzones for the Treo, and MMS for the Pearl. I called up, the guy was nice, but he did say they he couldn't add both the Blackberry Feature Enabler (BFE) and TZones to the same account. He also said that even if he overrides it, the system scans for conflicts every day and will automatically remove things that conflict.

So right now my account is voice + 5.99 TMobileWeb (ie. TZones) + 400 TXT. Looks like I'd have to give up tzones to get BFE, or vice versa. Has anyone tried this recently? Does anyone's still work? Some thoughts I had: I could cancel tzones and put on BFE, and then go back. If the BFE is like a service book, maybe it'd stay on my pearl and still allow service?

This is really disappointing... the blackberry internet plan doesn't include TXT messages, so it really is a lot more expensive than just tzones.

One Question: the rep said that the Treo can't use the Blackberry Internet plan. I suspect that the Blackberry plan would enable internet in general, and that the Treo would still be able to use WAP/tzones. Can anyone else comment on this?

EDIT: Nevermind on the last question, found this:
T-Mobile Data - HowardForums Wiki
"Blackberry Plan - ...The internet portion of this service may be used on non-BlackBerry devices as a substitute for T-Mobile Internet..."
So it looks like I can get the Blackberry Internet Plan and use it for my Treo and Blackberry. Still too expensive...

You need the apn settings for TMobile. Go to Options >Advanced Options >TCP. Enter the following:

apn:wap.voicestream.com
username:
password:

leave username and password blank.

If it still doesn't work you may need a different internet plan with TMobile.



Your message about inside/outside the firewall is because your BB has leftover IT policy on it. As long as you are not on the BES that pushed the policy you can remove it. Follow the instructions below:

http://www.blackberryforums.com/gene...ve-policy.html

This is the cheapest Blackberry data plan out there. TMobile offers the best rates on their data plans. Personally, I think $19.95 for unlilmited BB data, email, and tethering is VERY reasonable.

It's not bad if you really need it. It's just me being a consumer; I want it all. I currently have a Treo 650 using tzones for $6/mo, and WAP browsing works for me. I'd love to the same on the Pearl, but to do just the same exact things on the Pearl costs $20/mo instead of $6/mo. That's a $14/mo difference simply to use a different phone for the same tasks, which means the Pearl is $168/year more expensive to operate than the Treo for me. I realize the higher fee gives you more service... but I want the same service, not more. I really just want tzones/wap to work on my pearl, which it does not.

So I do agree with you, $20/mo is reasonable for unlimited email/web/etc if you need all that. But I just wish there were a lesser option for people like me that just need wap/tzones, like on the treo.

(BTW, I'm sure someone will ask why not just stick with the Treo- I probably will for now, but the reason I wanted a Pearl is because the Treo is a miserable little device and I was hoping to upgrade to a non-palm PDA)

Does Blackberry Messenger work with the Blackberry Feature Enabler? Also, I canceled my BIS yesterday and my net still works. Even with a battery pull. I hope it continues to function.

I called CS yesterday to add the T-Zones and the CS said she added it, but when I went online to check, the box was un-checked. I had talked to the Blackberry CS and he said that I would just be wasting my money to add the T-Zones so I wasn't persistent.

I didn't know that T-Mobile had a computer scan for errors every night. That is wicked!

No, sorry, BBMessenger requires the BB data plan in order to work. It uses PIN Messaging which only comes with the data plan.

why dont they just do that?
unlimited data + unlimited txts 19.99..
the only reason why i miss my sk3.


so retarded you have to fudge out 19.99 for the internet and email then another 14.99 for unlimited txts.. where as when i had my sidekick i could have it all for only 19.99...

i guess since blackblerrys are supposed to be for pros.. we gotta charge a pro rate. i think its unfair. and now have canceled my bb plan and only have 400 txts... i'm a college student.

i'd switch back to the sk3. but the pearl is more size friendly and fully compatible with my car. [06 tsx.]

The blackberry data plan is a data plan that actually goes through the carrier to RIM for data. It's a bit more complicated than just a cell phone data plan. I'm sure RIM charges the carriers extra for this connection, and thus why it's an extra charge for us. Most of the time the carriers do add/include their own carrier internet connection as well as part of the package.

edit

The IM messages were using my text messaging plan even when I have the BB 19.99 unlimited plan. The only IM type usage the unlimited BB plan uses is the pin to pin or the BB messaging. I couldnt get the pearl to download any other IM program nor could I get Opera to work. And I really dont understand why opera appears to be blocked esp when I am paying for the unlimited BB plan with internet.

The built in IM client on the 8100 does use sms/text messaging for it's messages.

You can download a great app called JiveTalk that will integrate all your IM services into one app. It does yahoo, google, aol, icq and msn. There is a one time charge for the program but it's well worth the $30.

Opera (and other 3rd party apps) should work fine as long as you have your apn settings entered under Options >Advanced Options >TCP.

I'm trying to see if it's possible to use data programs like Jivetalk - Opera - and VR+ & Google maps, by only subscribing to the $5.99 T-MobileWeb plan.

(I understand that it does work with the $20 unlimited data plan, so please don't simply recommend paying for that) Trying to save bucks here!

So far I'd have no success getting those programs working with my $5.99 plan. But my Google search does work (using tmobiles browser) I've also tryed inputing the wap settings and no luck on the Jivetalk and Google maps apps.

Is there anything else that I can try?
Or has anyone here using a Pearl with Tmobile got this configured sucessfully?

Thanks

I'll relay my experiences with a Pearl on Tmobile/Tzones. I had a Treo 650 on Tmobile with Tzones, and WAP worked but not the gmail/gmaps clients. I bought the Pearl and put it on my account. With this setup (just tzones), nothing on the pearl worked (no wap, no MMS, no internet/email). I tried to have them add the Blackberry Feature Enabler (BFE), but they would not put BFE and Tzones on the same plan (the computer wont let them, and none of the CSRs I talked to would do it). So I canceled tzones and put on BFE. For the next week or so, everything worked on the pearl; all internet, email, etc. Then the internet shut off, and I was left with just BFE (ie. the tzone website only, and MMS... no wap/internet/email). So then I added the Blackberry Internet plan (the $20/mo one) and everything works again.

It's not a technical issue, as far as I can see. If they added the BFE to your tzones, then you'd have access. However, it's a policy limitation. They don't want you on their $6/mo plan instead of the $20/mo plan, and with blackberries (unlike treo's) they have total control of the device. So if you *could* get them to add both, you'd be all set. But from all the CSRs I've talked to, they wont do it, and they can't do it (in the system), and supposedly the system is setup to scan for "incompatible" things like this and disallow it.

The one thing I wondered about is if you had the Blackberry Internet plan, then you'd have access- then if you canceled, would you still have access since the service books are still on the phone? But from the tzones experiences, it seems you'd have access until everything refreshed, and then you'd lose it just like I did.

So basically, with the Pearl and Tmobile, there don't seem to be any current loopholes. Blackberry Internet plan, or nothing. However, who knows when some technical glitch will open things up again.

Damn thanks for that!!! Now I have gotten used to my Yahoo Mail being on my Berry..Can I do w/out is the question......shet!

This really sucks for Blackberry users.

So basically if we had a cheap Razr phone or anything else - we'd be able to get the data features for $5.99 which would let us use Opera and Google apps. But since we have Blackberries - they want us to pay $20 monthly!

This info need to be put on the front page as a worning to prospective buyers - it would of been a deal-breaker for me before I choose to buy a BBPearl!!!!

I can't even install certain programs on my phone without data access. Like the VR+ (voice recording program) it requires you to send in your demo registration key before I can even get to the main screen. Same with Jivetalk

Exactly. From what I've seen, Blackberry devices are controlled by the Blackberry Server -- whether that's the one at your business, or the one by tmobile. They have control over your service books, which allow/disallow your internet/email/mms/sms/everything access. So whatever they say goes.

So my Treo worked on tmobile's tzones $6/mo plan, minus gmail and google maps (which they blocked), or on the $20/mo plan if I wanted that plus email. Every simple WAP phone (like the razr) can use the $6/mo plan for WAP. The blackberry can only use the $20/mo plan, nothing else. Really annoying, especially if you don't use it enough to justify the $20 plan (ie. not for business use), but want a few extras like directions and a webmail check every once in a while.

It's made me decide that there really is no getting away from it; phone companies and cell phone providers have control over your service and your device, and dictate how you can use them. I got my blackberry pearl cheap, but with the extra $20/mo over the $6/mo that's an extra $170 per year over a normal phone. I'm starting to be more and more convinced that the only real free phone is a really free phone, ie. OpenMoko. If they drop in price or include a few extras (gps, wifi?) then I'll probably spring for that and leave behind the "gated community" that is Blackberry service.

All that ranting aside, I love the blackberry pearl with internet/email, and were it not for the stupid limitations on service with WAP I'd probably stick with it for a long while.

I just called T-mobile to get da BlackBerry Feature enabler but they told me i coundt have the Z-tones and the Enabler at the same time.. Cause the Ztones isnt capable with the Black Berry What da hell????

here is how my Plan looks like..

Read posts #222 or #226 above. Tmobile does not allow tzones + BFE anymore because that is essentially a $6/mo version of their $20/mo blackberry internet + email plan. (The only differences being the services they block on tzones; gmail, gmaps, etc).

You currently cannot get BFE and tzones on the same account. I have not found a loophole yet. So it's either $20/mo or no internet/wap/email/etc.

Works for me

What does?

Blackberry enabler plus $2.99 tzones = unlimited internet & tether on blackberry curve!!

no need for BIS, BES, or email only blackberry plans....just $2.99 with all ports UNBLOCKED





I still have it after all these months!

Hah! Brag brag brag... ;)
Tzones has been 5.99 for a while now, so it looks like you got the tzones on your account a long time ago (unless you got it through the retentions dept). And if you took the BRE off your account, most likely they wouldn't let you put it back on. Great plan, and I really wish I had the same. But as of a while ago (I think it was about 4-6 months ago) they wont let anyone else have this plan.

I also have the grandfathered plan - $2.99 for unlimited T-Zones.

I called and asked the service rep to add the BlackBerry Feature Enabler (BFE) - he asked me why I wanted it added. I told him straight up I heard I could get Opera Mini to work if he turned it on for me. We went on about some other things (apparently his main concern was that he'd have to give me tech support when I called back and complained Opera Mini wasn't working), and I told him I also heard I needed the BFE to send/receive MMS.

Ultimately he said he added it, but I noticed no immediate change. How long will the BFE take to activate?

Additionally, if I need to call back, what would be good to say when they ask, "why do you need it?"


Thank you in advance.

Hey guys, i'm a total newbie in the blackberry scene and in this forum as well. However, after long hours of googling, i found this website. Can anyone confirm that with the 5.99 you can access opera mini for web browsing by just configuring the apn and use jivetalk as well? Also, can i just install oz messenger like Megaman posted long ago and use the Blackberry Featured Enabler for unlimited aim + text? This question is mostly targeted towards Megaman, but any other blackberry pros out there can help this newbie out as well! Thanks!

PS: i'm planning to get a blackberry curve for tmobile

I got a blackberry pearl 8100 with tmobile about 6 months ago, and I already had the 5.99 tmobileweb (aka tzones). I was not able to access anything, since the pearl didn't have "service books" on it (which basically setup the mms, networking, etc). For mms, you need the blackberry feature enabler (BFE, or something like that) which basically gives you the service book needed for just mms. However, I talked to a couple of CSR's and they wouldn't put the BFE unless they removed tmobileweb, which would remove my internet access. I said I wanted tmobileweb, but just wanted mms too, and they said they wouldn't do it, and that the computer wouldn't let them do it, and they were unable to override the computer.

They used to allow both on one account, but when I tried then they wouldn't let you have both. So it was either have tmobileweb, but no way to use it on the blackberry, or get BFE and have MMS but no tmobileweb so no internet. I actually had them put on BFE and take out tmobileweb, and internet worked for a few more hours and then shut off. I ended up biting the bullet and getting the unlimited blackberry email & internet for 19.99. It's a lot of money, but it's saved my butt a bunch of times with google maps alone (at least until I get my GPS in).

If I were you and you were going to get the phone anyway, definitely call a couple times and try to ask nicely if the CSR would override and give you both (since you want tzones, but also picture messages, don't mention internet). But I wouldn't count on getting both, and w/o the blackberry addon it's not as much fun.

Hey jumpfroggy. I actually don't intend to get both. But i just want confirmation that the BFE would 100% definitely use aim as text through the installation of oz messenger. I also just wanted confirmation that i would be able to use opera mini for web surfing and Jive-talk with the tzones (5.99) plan. You know, so that i can re-assure myself that everything would work out fine since i've been dying for a blackberry for many many months now! =]

Yeah, I was in the same boat as you. In my experiences (and I tried a few times), no you can't have internet (oz msg, opera, google maps, etc) on a blackberry with tmobile without the blackberry internet plan (19.99/mo). They will let you have tmobileweb/tzones *without* BFE (which means you can't use anything, only TXT), or they'll put BFE *without* tzones (so TXT and MMS, but no opera/oz/gmaps), or they'll do blackberry internet plan.

If you only get tzones on your account with no BFE, you can't do anything with it. I tried it, didn't work for me, and 2 different CSR's wouldn't put both on my account. The blackberry is unique in that it's always controlled by someone else; either your company (for corporate users), or in this case by tmobile. Unless they send you the service books which specifically enable internet, you can't use it. Same with TXT, MMS, Email, etc. Everything is controlled by them, and when you're on the phone with them they'll actually send the service books to your phone, it'll download, and new icons will show up on your home page (internet, email, etc). This is in contrast to a generic smartphone like the Treo 650, which simply uses whatever is available on your network. So if you put tmobileweb on your Treo, you can browse the internet using their proxy or use email through your webserver. I love my blackberry and broke down and started paying the $20/mo. But I really hated them for a while in that I couldn't do anything unless I spent the whole deal.

i've also read from other posts as well, that you needed to configure your apn setting to "wap.voicestream.com" when using opera mini? because as megaman X said, you have to configure your settings a bit before being able to use opera mini on the blackberry with the tzones also known as "tmobileweb".

I was never able to setup opera mini on tmobileweb. I was only able to get it to work under the Blackberry Unlimited Internet/Email plan.

But with that, I did have to go to Options > Advanced Options > TCP > APN = "wap.voicestream.com", Username and password are blank. Then it worked for me. There was also some funny business with Options > Security > TLS, I think I had to set TLS Default = "Handheld" or something. I'd play around with that too if the APN by itself doesn't fix things.