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Old 07-20-2007, 05:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Absolutely, this forum is here to help, not to knock other who ask for an answer to something they do not know. Even worse is answering a question incorrectly.................. So sorry guys, but yes this is possible, but it does come with a hitch. The hitch is that you can do this, if you have access to a blackberry server of some type, whether it's the express or full. You will need to have the Blackberry Desktop manager installed for use with a server as well. Using the usb cable or paired up via Bluetooth, you can use the "Wireless Bypass" feature for data. The router will use port 4101 to connect back to the server, so you may need to modify your firewall settings to allow this. When this is set up it makes you feel like you are running on a broadband connection. An additional bonus is that you can also send and receive email while you are on the phone. If needed I can further document, but it is fairly easy to put together. Cheers All.
Comes with a hitch?

I'm going out on a limb here... but I doubt the OP wants to be carrying around a BES and/or a laptop in their backpack and having to hook it up to some public internet connection each time they wanted to tether their Blackberry to their "mobile" network each time they wanted to get Free internet access on their device.

C'mon now... what you're suggesting is absolutely ridiculous, and most certainly NOT FREE.
Who pays for the Internet connection that the BES is hooked up to?
How would this setup work while the user is mobile? (Which is the whole point of a mobile device, remember?)
There's so much additional cost, equipment, and setup for a solution like this that it makes it worthless to even try it.
Maybe it works for you in your office, or your lab, but suggesting this to the common user is a dumb idea.

You say it's "fairly easy" to put together? Yeah, OK. Try to put it together outside of your home and/or office.
I think your "comes with a hitch" comment is a just a *tad* of an understatement.
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Notice it's the new users that all say "Oh, yeah you can do it"? Experienced BlackBerry users apparently realize that you have to pay for the service. And T-Mo for $20 a month is cheaper than my cable internet at home!
Are you comparing an actual broadband connection with EDGE? I pay $35 per month for 7 megabits of downstream (cable), while you get about 112Kbit with EDGE for $20. If I was offered a connection that's $15 cheaper but 65 times slower, I would quickly decline. And don't even get me started on latency.

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I think your "comes with a hitch" comment is a just a *tad* of an understatement.
Haha. I'm still curious about setting this up, would be pretty useful at home.
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:58 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I usually give noobs a break with dumb questions (and common questions).
But look at the first post -- hus08 knew he was being a jerk, and he was even a jerk about that. In fact the post almost looks like a troll. So, before I replied with my wise crack, I looked at some of his other posts, I figured it was not a troll -- and though to myself "yes, this boy needs a slap"

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Old 07-20-2007, 09:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Why should we? It's this kind of attitude that ends up raising the price for the rest of us.
How does that raise the price for you. would you like to expand on that.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:24 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Most companies in a variety of industries, when considering a price point for their products/services, factor in the fact that X number of customers will cheat/steal/misuse that product or service. To mitigate that risk, a portion of the predicted lost revenue is built into the cost that everyone pays. Cable companies do it, ISPs do it, mobile phone operators/carriers, the list goes on.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:03 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Most companies in a variety of industries, when considering a price point for their products/services, factor in the fact that X number of customers will cheat/steal/misuse that product or service. To mitigate that risk, a portion of the predicted lost revenue is built into the cost that everyone pays. Cable companies do it, ISPs do it, mobile phone operators/carriers, the list goes on.
I don't think that's a valid argument because what matters is the number of customers who will pay for the service. The company is not losing any money on the customers that don't pay for it, merely not making any.

The RIAA has been known to use this type of argument in their "ZOMG WE ARE LOSING BILLIONS TO PIRACY" rant, but it's been shown to be bullshit because those who download exclusively would never have purchased the CD anyway, while many download to evaluate and then purchase.

Smart consumers always look for the least expensive option that still has all the capabilities they need. If it's possible to legally get something for free, without violating any of the carrier's terms, then I see no problem at all with people doing exactly that.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:44 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Most companies in a variety of industries, when considering a price point for their products/services, factor in the fact that X number of customers will cheat/steal/misuse that product or service. To mitigate that risk, a portion of the predicted lost revenue is built into the cost that everyone pays. Cable companies do it, ISPs do it, mobile phone operators/carriers, the list goes on.
cheat/steal/misuse is the key words... i didnt do any of those and still got a really good deal on the product as well as the service. So really my actions didnt really affect you or any other customer of att.

but dont flip out on the guy for trying to find a cheaper option. do you always go with the first price that is quoted to you... or do you shop around for the best price. do you not try to find different options that will give you the cheapest possible final price.

If there are 2 gas stations one with $2 a gallon and the other one with $3 a gallon... do you say ooo can I get the $3 gas please?
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I think you guys are missing my point, and that's okay. I'm going to let this die now. Of course shopping around for the best price is the smartest thing one can do as a consumer. My point is that T-Mobile, at&t, Verizon, Sprint...those companies are not in the business of supplying free internet for BlackBerry customers. So trying to get around the cost associated with a service that you ARE using is, in my eyes, stealing.

I realize that not everyone subscribes to the same moral code, and that's okay. To each his own. But I don't think you get to do very much cheating, lying and stealing without it biting you in the ass some day.
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I think you guys are missing my point, and that's okay. I'm going to let this die now. Of course shopping around for the best price is the smartest thing one can do as a consumer. My point is that T-Mobile, at&t, Verizon, Sprint...those companies are not in the business of supplying free internet for BlackBerry customers. So trying to get around the cost associated with a service that you ARE using is, in my eyes, stealing.

I realize that not everyone subscribes to the same moral code, and that's okay. To each his own. But I don't think you get to do very much cheating, lying and stealing without it biting you in the ass some day.
very well put indeed.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:53 PM   #30 (permalink)
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So trying to get around the cost associated with a service that you ARE using is, in my eyes, stealing.
Yes in my eyes too... that is stealing. But paying more for a service when that same service is available for cheaper is plain dumb. Thats called giving away money.
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Are you comparing an actual broadband connection with EDGE? I pay $35 per month for 7 megabits of downstream (cable), while you get about 112Kbit with EDGE for $20. If I was offered a connection that's $15 cheaper but 65 times slower, I would quickly decline. And don't even get me started on latency.
Ah, i only really use the internet for email, IM, research, etc... no need for ultra-fast blazing speed there. Sure downloading programs and such are easier on a faster connection, but I do that like, once a month? I'm more of a "what I need" than a "what I want" kind of guy ;)
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i USE OPERA MINI to go internet i do not have a BB data plan but i have 5mb internet plan with rogers ..check hotmail seach internet no problem it only cos me $5.00 more a month ....why use BBdata that cost $25 or more ???
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:59 PM   #33 (permalink)
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T-Mobile has 19.99 plan with unlimited data plan, but it sounds pretty slow at max 144kbps. I am not sure if there is a topic for data plan discussion but I think this topic should be locked, it is getting unnecessary attention.
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Good for you, if it meets your needs. You're PAYING for what you use. The OP was asking for direction on how to get the internet for free (steal internet from his carrier). That is something entirely different.
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bitter....

its funny how these forums are separated into two groups of people
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bitter....

its funny how these forums are separated into two groups of people
and what two would that be
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yes this is true you could surf the web for free with the bb enabler thing i do it (well did it now i cant kuz t-moble found the leak and has fix it)but yes it is true i was able to use it for about a week or 2 but know the only way to get the web is by pony up the 19.99
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:04 PM   #38 (permalink)
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yes this is true you could surf the web for free with the bb enabler thing i do it (well did it now i cant kuz t-moble found the leak and has fix it)but yes it is true i was able to use it for about a week or 2 but know the only way to get the web is by pony up the 19.99
so, it doesn't work. unless you only need a couple weeks worth of internet?
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Are you comparing an actual broadband connection with EDGE? I pay $35 per month for 7 megabits of downstream (cable), while you get about 112Kbit with EDGE for $20. If I was offered a connection that's $15 cheaper but 65 times slower, I would quickly decline. And don't even get me started on latency.


Haha. I'm still curious about setting this up, would be pretty useful at home.
For one thing, how could you even compare the two? A data plan and a broadband connection are used for completely different reasons. Broadband is for high speed communication that tethers you to a location. A data plan is for mobility. Im sure lots of us love Internet connectivity and cannot be around a wifi hot spot or broadband connection. So I would HAPPILY pay $35 for a connection that is 65 times slower than my broadband connection, because that $35 gets me service my broadband could NEVER get. And no, wifi does not work if your in areas where wifi hotspots are spotty or you are traveling.

Im sure most of us here will agree that a data plan has many advantages over a tethered higher speed broadband connection and gladly pay for its advantages, even if it is a lot slower than broadband.
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Yes in my eyes too... that is stealing. But paying more for a service when that same service is available for cheaper is plain dumb. Thats called giving away money.
Where is the same service available for cheaper without stealing? And no, im not talking about a wireless connection to your access point IF your device had wifi. Im getting the 8820 with wifi when it comes out, and it has wifi. But, no way in hell I am going to stop paying for my BIS mobile internet plan because wifi is absolutely useless if you are really mobile. Imagine I have wifi and I need to use my GPS to get somewhere or im waiting for important correspondence. As soon as I step in my car and drive my Internet wifi becomes useless and the maps may pick up as it picks up hotspots ... but if im on the freeway? Or around areas where there are no open hotspots?

Wifi is absolutely no substitute for a mobile data plan. No substitute at all. It is, at best, a temporary high speed link for when you are at home or work ONLY. beyond that ... pay the $35 a month and be done with it.
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